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Please keep the following things out of this topic: -Caster/Stream/player bashing; -Imbalance/race whine; -LoL vs the world arguments; -'Omfg cant believe people aren't watching SPL finals' comments; -any other assorted offtopic negativism and arguments. Enjoy this free multiday/multigame event that has been provided to you. Share your enthusiasm for the games! Feel free to shoot me a PM or query me on IRC for any questions or comments. Have fun! ~Nyovne [special edit: Any more derailing over the fact that someone made a Germany vs Poland WW2 joke after page 21 will be met with a week ban.] | ||
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s3183529
Australia707 Posts
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Doomwish
438 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:58 eggs wrote: i agree with a lot of this, but mostly the no personality part. he's boring to watch, and he's a boring winner. MVP was like this at MLG. completely different than when MMA won; just zero hype or enthusiasm. but at least MVP was won GSLs and is still going strong in Code S. Puma is just another Korean terran. I'm extremely bored of the ones with no charisma, when I can watch people like Slayers Dragon instead. Sorry guy . but if you like cheering for charming people instead of skilled ones your going to get disappointed a lot in a skill- based game. There is always the WWF... | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:57 aebriol wrote: MC isn't as good as he was, he is out of the GSL Not to talk about balance or anything, but even if he lost, I though MC play was quite impressive and I don't think he is playing worse than usual. | ||
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OnlineHero
Denmark647 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:58 MoonBear wrote:  oGs.MC vs  EG.PuMa Live Report Roundup!Match 1: Xel'Naga Caverns + Show Spoiler + oGs.MC 0 vs 0 EG.PuMaPuma spawns as Red Terran @1 MC spawns as Blue Protoss @7 1:45 Wall off with Depot-Rax from Puma. MC going with 11-Gate. 2:25 Probe sees Puma's base. Blocks the wall-off of second depot. Sees the gas. 3:15 OC complete. No add on on the rax. Fact down. CyberCore finishes. 4:10 Bunker at top of ramp for Puma. Reactor on Rax, Tech Lab on Fact. Nexus at nat for MC. 5:20 1-1-1 for Puma. MC gets 2 more gates and Warpgate Tech. Cloacked Banshees on the way. 6:20 Robo for MC. Nexus finishes. 6:40 2 more rax for Puma. 7:30 Cloak finishes. Obs going to the Terran base. Second Obs making. Banshee coming to Protoss base. Obs sees it. Banshee runs. 8:30 Raven for Puma. Banshee almost getting caught by Stalkers. 9:10 MASS of SCVs and Marines coming! 9:45 2 Tanks, mass of marines and nearly all SCVs pushing into the Protoss nat. 10:30 Bunker denied but Nexus dies. PDD stops the stalkers. Protoss in retreat. Dancing at the nat. MC 20 supply up. So many marines. Bunker going down. 11:50 MC kills the bunker, most of the marines are gone! 12:25 Puma in full retreat. MC has 20 worker lead. 13:00 Nexus replaced at the natural. Puma making marines and tanks, worried about a possible bust. MC macoring hard. 14:10 Cloaked Banshee harass at the Protoss base. No obs! Several probe kills before the banshee goes down. Archives made. 15:10 Zealot Legs researching. Second push coming. Mass of marines and 4 tanks. 16:00 The protoss army just chew through the terran ground but Bnahsees do so much damage! The Terran army is in the Protoss base! Just carnage everywhere. 17:20 PDD protecting the Banshees so well. Probes pulled! 18:00 MC microing for his life. Marines running all over the place. 19:00 MC only has probes but more supply. Banshees chewing through everything. 20:00 MC ggs! oGs.MC 0 vs 1 EG.PuMaMatch 2: Terminus RE + Show Spoiler + oGs.MC 0 vs 1 EG.PuMaPuMa spawns as Blue Terran @6MC spawns as Red Protoss @124:00 CyberCore for MC, Puma opening with very similar build to Game 1 but with a fast CC. 5:10 Puma makes 2 more raxes. Nexus for MC at nat. 6:10 4 gate and Robo for MC. That's a lot. 7:00 Stim and Combat Shield both being researched. Marauders being made too. 8:00 Marines being churned out. MC taking gas at nat. More Facts for Puma. Conc Shells on the way. 9:00 Stim and ConcShells complete. Templar Archievs about to finish. 9:30 Blink for MC. Turrets going up for Puma. +1 Weapons for Bio too. 10:30 Puma floats a fact for scouting. Third CC going up. Medivacs coming out. A single stimmed marine sees everything. 11:30 Puma has a drop floating around. 12:00 Stalkers blink and catch a medivac. Ouch. MC takes his 3rd as well. 13:00 Stalkers blink into the main and picks off raxes and addons! 13:30 Stalkers and zealots all over the terran base, controlling space then retreat. Kills off some production buildings. 14:30 2-2 done for MC. Double forge making for MC. Storm researched! 15:30 Puma going for another CC. Bio marching around the map. Forges chrono-ed. 16:30 Ghosts making. MC takes a 4th but it gets spotted. 3-3 researching for Puma. 17:30 Warp Prism making! Armies poke at the middle. MC tries to take a 4th again. 18:30 Puma takes his 4th. Warp Prism with HTs floating around. 19:00 MC kills Puma's 4th and gets a storm on Puma's army. Puma drops MC's nat but it dies fast. Storm on the drop. Ouch. 20:00 MC takes a 5th and makes canons. EMP misses the Warp Prism. Storm all over the Terran Bio. 20:40 Puma snipes the Warp prism and loses HTs. Massacre all around. Puma's upgrades are so useful and somehow power through MC's army and continues marching forward! 22:00 MC loses so many units and his 4th. 170-130 supply in Puma's favour! 23:00 Storm on Puma, but EMPs all over the Protoss! MC ggs! oGs.MC 0 vs 2 EG.PuMaMC looks pensive. Match 3: Metalopolis + Show Spoiler + oGs.MC 0 vs 2 EG.PuMaPuMa spawns as Red Terran @3MC spawns as Blue Protoss @12:00 Both players opening with gas. 3:00 Probe sees everything. Gets walled into the base. 4:00 Probe sees fact before it dies. 4:30 STARGATE OPENING! 5:10 1-1-1 for Puma. 6:00 Phoenix for MC, Tanks for Puma. 6:30 Wall goes down, probe runs in and sees everything. 7:15 Raven for Puma. 3 Phoenix out. 7:50 Phoenix pick off the Raven. 1 Phoenix sniped. 8:30 3 tanks and a medivac out. More raxes out. Phoenix fly over marines. Blink research. Both 1 base. 9:40 MC ninja expo to 7. 10:20 Dark Shrine up! At this point I went to get food. But basically, MC tries to base race with DTs. Even though Puma doesn't have energy on his Orbitals for Scans, MC fails to snipe the Raven which was heavily protected with tanks and marines. oGs.MC 0 vs 3 EG.PuMaMatch 4: Tal'Darim Altar + Show Spoiler + Match 5: Shakuras Plateau + Show Spoiler + Nice job as always! Too bad your posts will drown in a sea of nerd tears and balance QQ | ||
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Jaedong4thOSL
United States487 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:00 Mohdoo wrote: He didn't play well enough to win the nerd baller award  I think of it as a subtle hint that Puma doesn't win the support of the spectators through his play. MC is still the winner in the community's eyes =)He won that award because of his out-of-game play, not in-game play. | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
Trolling?  How could any1 whine about inbalance in a mirror matchup xd | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:51 morningbreeze wrote: I don't think Puma 1/1/1'd MC in the NASL finals. In fact, I remember him playing some pretty beastly games. Am I wrong? I kind of agree with your point about the 1/1/1's potency, but come on... you really think Flash's practice partner is a scrub? The 1/1/1 looks unbeatable right now. Just like every other powerful build that's ever been discovered. And I agree that if a serious response isn't developed, it will constitute a serious imbalance. But you know full well there's going to be a delay between problem and solution. Abusive builds have come and gone, but pros can't be blamed for using them, and so far the vast majority of them have been solved through innovation, not patches. Give us some examples? I think just the opposite. Players say things are figured out but truth is Blizzard figured it out for players after months of failure to find an answer.. Zerg never learned how to deal with reapers, reapers were nerfed. Zerg never learned how to deal with bunker rushes, bunkers were nerfed. 2-rax a problem? Depot before rax nerf. 2-gating zealot pressure too hard to defend? Nerf zealot build times. Stim pushes to powerful? Nerf stim. Warp-gate pushes to effective? Delay warp-gate research. Air openers to much of a hassle to deal with? First nerf the Void Ray. That didnt work? Still having problems with banshees? Buff spore-root time so they don't have to pay as much a cost for poor building placement. Death-ball? Here you go zergs, your all-in-one counter, Infestors, 100% more DPS and 130% more DPS to armored. And so on. Perhaps you can list a few seemingly imba strats solved by players on thier own please? | ||
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xafies
Greece78 Posts
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Radook
Sweden326 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:59 chatuka wrote: how can people still defend Puma here. I can't say. he didn't play that great IMO and got lucky. MC played even worse and paid the price. I've never seen MC play that badly before. As for the race balance, i'll trust blizzard and the maps to fix that problem. as for personalities. Puma is boring, unattractive, and Disreputable with TSL I don't dislike EG BTW MC: Brash, Bold, Competant player who makes bad mistakes against rival opponents. Perhaps him drinking less soda will help him think more clearly. Who are you going to root for.. obviously the boss Protoss.  you are one angry little nerd go EG and go EG.PuMa outplaying MC 3-0. pew pew | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:02 OnlineHero wrote: Nice job as always! Too bad your posts will drown in a sea of nerd tears and balance QQ Yeah thanks man! Really appreciate the effort | ||
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stfouri
Finland272 Posts
Everyone suddenly forgot that MC was doing his 4-6gates like for a month in a row -every- game, when that thing was op? Take dem fanboy googles off allready, better man won today. | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:02 Doomwish wrote: Sorry guy . but if you like cheering for charming people instead of skilled ones your going to get disappointed a lot in a skill- based game. There is always the WWF... what does protecting endangered animals have to do with charming people? | ||
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kheldorin
Singapore539 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:58 Evangelist wrote: Look, he got 2-2 within the last minute or so of the game. For the important engagement he was behind on upgrades. Puma stopped upgrading because +1 armour against a protoss with half your supply is pointless. Puma killed his expo, Puma had marvellous reactions to storms (sitting for no more than 40% of a duration except when he knew he was talking out HTs) and he sniped MC's warp prism mid combat. He also engaged at fantastic angles, coming through on both sides of the watch tower, and he also had like 12 medivacs which MC did absolutely nothing abpout. MC got outplayed in game 2. Has nothing to do with balance. Take the same armies, the same ghosts, equalize the upgrades (not hard to do, MC learned this lesson against Thorzain) and shove them at any choke and I'll show you a dead terran bioball. 1/1/1 is clearly a different matter, but I hate all ins anyway. No, it wasn't. Last minute of the game was 3-3 upgrades. It's really not hard to move away from storms anyway. Compared to most high-level PvT, Puma let MC get away with wayyy too many feedbacks and storms. He didn't utilize snipe. Didn't utilize cloak. Missed several EMPs. Puma just simplied hotkeyed all his ghosts into 1 group. Failed in his drops. Didn't do any much harassing damage throughout the game while MC managed to blink into his base and control 2 sets of army at the same time. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:02 s3183529 wrote: Slayers_Cella and IMMVP both said 111 "imba" against Toss, and those pro Koreans sure don't know anything about SC2. Nestea and IdrA both say protoss is overpowered against zerg, but you don't give them the time of day. We could play this game forever. | ||
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PBG
40 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:02 s3183529 wrote: Slayers_Cella and IMMVP both said 111 "imba" against Toss, and those pro Koreans sure don't know anything about SC2. MVP also said Terran is the weakest race. Yeah | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:57 mcc wrote: Why would it not be repeatable, MC knew that it is coming even in game 1. You forget that 1-1-1 looks exactly like 2 port banshee, blue flame drops, thor-marine and every other one base terran build. They can even mix is up, go heavy tanks, heavy marines, get a raven or 2. All they need to do is scan and tweek their composition to deal with the protoss's. | ||
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Squirrel_x360a
Australia305 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:01 Bleak wrote: Yeah I wonder this too, it looked so weird with wall jumping and shit. The game was Brink. | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:04 hmunkey wrote: Nestea and IdrA both say protoss is overpowered against zerg, but you don't give them the time of day. We could play this game forever. oh right yea talking about zerg is totally relevant in this thread where zero zergs played. | ||
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Jackle
Canada859 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:01 Bleak wrote: Yeah I wonder this too, it looked so weird with wall jumping and shit. Brink | ||
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SuperYo1000
United States880 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:49 Spicy Pepper wrote: Also, Puma 100% should've done 1/1/1. Hell, you should do 1/1/1 everytime against a protoss, as I do when I roll TvP. If it truly is imbalanced, then abuse it. thats funny cuz my Masters rank friend does do this verse protoss and has like a 80% win verse them  .....oh wellSad to see it come to this. Hopefully something is done to improve this | ||
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