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trikshun
United States437 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:56 rpgalon wrote: did you even see MC play, dude, get out of here please. You serious? MC was the most cheesiest player against July Zerg only doing 6gate and 4 gates. Zerg didn't have an answer for that strat | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:50 chatuka wrote: PUma deserves his bashing after what he did to TSL. that's why i don't root for him. Plus he is a boring personality. MC is so charismatic, but cocky to a fault sometimes. I didn't think he prepared for Puma today. And now Puma is in MC's head... It's going to be REALLY hard to overcome that pyschological edge Puma has over MC IMO BTW I don't dislike EG. they did what is in their best interests. I think PUMA could've handled the team transfer 100% better than he did. i agree with a lot of this, but mostly the no personality part. he's boring to watch, and he's a boring winner. MVP was like this at MLG. completely different than when MMA won; just zero hype or enthusiasm. but at least MVP was won GSLs and is still going strong in Code S. Puma is just another Korean terran. I'm extremely bored of the ones with no charisma, when I can watch people like Slayers Dragon instead. | ||
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Lakai
Canada315 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:52 DooMDash wrote: Remember when Puma beat MC with out 1-1-1 anyway in another big tournament finals? Crazy I know right. Remember when that series was 4-3 and close where as this was 3-0 and one-sided. Either puma got a ton better, mc got a ton worse or terran got a lot better or protoss got a lot worse. Take your pick.  | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
 oGs.MC vs  EG.PuMa Live Report Roundup!Match 1: Xel'Naga Caverns + Show Spoiler + oGs.MC 0 vs 0 EG.PuMaPuma spawns as Red Terran @1 MC spawns as Blue Protoss @7 1:45 Wall off with Depot-Rax from Puma. MC going with 11-Gate. 2:25 Probe sees Puma's base. Blocks the wall-off of second depot. Sees the gas. 3:15 OC complete. No add on on the rax. Fact down. CyberCore finishes. 4:10 Bunker at top of ramp for Puma. Reactor on Rax, Tech Lab on Fact. Nexus at nat for MC. 5:20 1-1-1 for Puma. MC gets 2 more gates and Warpgate Tech. Cloacked Banshees on the way. 6:20 Robo for MC. Nexus finishes. 6:40 2 more rax for Puma. 7:30 Cloak finishes. Obs going to the Terran base. Second Obs making. Banshee coming to Protoss base. Obs sees it. Banshee runs. 8:30 Raven for Puma. Banshee almost getting caught by Stalkers. 9:10 MASS of SCVs and Marines coming! 9:45 2 Tanks, mass of marines and nearly all SCVs pushing into the Protoss nat. 10:30 Bunker denied but Nexus dies. PDD stops the stalkers. Protoss in retreat. Dancing at the nat. MC 20 supply up. So many marines. Bunker going down. 11:50 MC kills the bunker, most of the marines are gone! 12:25 Puma in full retreat. MC has 20 worker lead. 13:00 Nexus replaced at the natural. Puma making marines and tanks, worried about a possible bust. MC macoring hard. 14:10 Cloaked Banshee harass at the Protoss base. No obs! Several probe kills before the banshee goes down. Archives made. 15:10 Zealot Legs researching. Second push coming. Mass of marines and 4 tanks. 16:00 The protoss army just chew through the terran ground but Bnahsees do so much damage! The Terran army is in the Protoss base! Just carnage everywhere. 17:20 PDD protecting the Banshees so well. Probes pulled! 18:00 MC microing for his life. Marines running all over the place. 19:00 MC only has probes but more supply. Banshees chewing through everything. 20:00 MC ggs! oGs.MC 0 vs 1 EG.PuMaMatch 2: Terminus RE + Show Spoiler + oGs.MC 0 vs 1 EG.PuMaPuMa spawns as Blue Terran @6MC spawns as Red Protoss @124:00 CyberCore for MC, Puma opening with very similar build to Game 1 but with a fast CC. 5:10 Puma makes 2 more raxes. Nexus for MC at nat. 6:10 4 gate and Robo for MC. That's a lot. 7:00 Stim and Combat Shield both being researched. Marauders being made too. 8:00 Marines being churned out. MC taking gas at nat. More Facts for Puma. Conc Shells on the way. 9:00 Stim and ConcShells complete. Templar Archievs about to finish. 9:30 Blink for MC. Turrets going up for Puma. +1 Weapons for Bio too. 10:30 Puma floats a fact for scouting. Third CC going up. Medivacs coming out. A single stimmed marine sees everything. 11:30 Puma has a drop floating around. 12:00 Stalkers blink and catch a medivac. Ouch. MC takes his 3rd as well. 13:00 Stalkers blink into the main and picks off raxes and addons! 13:30 Stalkers and zealots all over the terran base, controlling space then retreat. Kills off some production buildings. 14:30 2-2 done for MC. Double forge making for MC. Storm researched! 15:30 Puma going for another CC. Bio marching around the map. Forges chrono-ed. 16:30 Ghosts making. MC takes a 4th but it gets spotted. 3-3 researching for Puma. 17:30 Warp Prism making! Armies poke at the middle. MC tries to take a 4th again. 18:30 Puma takes his 4th. Warp Prism with HTs floating around. 19:00 MC kills Puma's 4th and gets a storm on Puma's army. Puma drops MC's nat but it dies fast. Storm on the drop. Ouch. 20:00 MC takes a 5th and makes canons. EMP misses the Warp Prism. Storm all over the Terran Bio. 20:40 Puma snipes the Warp prism and loses HTs. Massacre all around. Puma's upgrades are so useful and somehow power through MC's army and continues marching forward! 22:00 MC loses so many units and his 4th. 170-130 supply in Puma's favour! 23:00 Storm on Puma, but EMPs all over the Protoss! MC ggs! oGs.MC 0 vs 2 EG.PuMaMC looks pensive. Match 3: Metalopolis + Show Spoiler + oGs.MC 0 vs 2 EG.PuMaPuMa spawns as Red Terran @3MC spawns as Blue Protoss @12:00 Both players opening with gas. 3:00 Probe sees everything. Gets walled into the base. 4:00 Probe sees fact before it dies. 4:30 STARGATE OPENING! 5:10 1-1-1 for Puma. 6:00 Phoenix for MC, Tanks for Puma. 6:30 Wall goes down, probe runs in and sees everything. 7:15 Raven for Puma. 3 Phoenix out. 7:50 Phoenix pick off the Raven. 1 Phoenix sniped. 8:30 3 tanks and a medivac out. More raxes out. Phoenix fly over marines. Blink research. Both 1 base. 9:40 MC ninja expo to 7. 10:20 Dark Shrine up! At this point I went to get food. But basically, MC tries to base race with DTs. Even though Puma doesn't have energy on his Orbitals for Scans, MC fails to snipe the Raven which was heavily protected with tanks and marines. oGs.MC 0 vs 3 EG.PuMaMatch 4: Tal'Darim Altar + Show Spoiler + Match 5: Shakuras Plateau + Show Spoiler + | ||
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eloist
United States1017 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:52 koolaid1990 wrote: At one point he was 170 to 130 supply. I believe even the commentators spelled this one out. | ||
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lotny
Poland154 Posts
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:52 koolaid1990 wrote: The thing is, he played much better than puma. At one point he was 170 to 130 supply. He stopped 3 drops like nothing. He took down 2 barracks losing little units He took down a command center turning into orbital. He was 2-2 vs 3-2 at the end. MC played better, its simply because amulet got taken away, if you mismicro even once, your fucked. MC mismicroed his prism, costing him the game, which is absolutely ridiculous cuz he was so far ahead. Look, he got 2-2 within the last minute or so of the game. For the important engagement he was behind on upgrades. Puma stopped upgrading because +1 armour against a protoss with half your supply is pointless. Puma killed his expo, Puma had marvellous reactions to storms (sitting for no more than 40% of a duration except when he knew he was talking out HTs) and he sniped MC's warp prism mid combat. He also engaged at fantastic angles, coming through on both sides of the watch tower, and he also had like 12 medivacs which MC did absolutely nothing abpout. MC got outplayed in game 2. Has nothing to do with balance. Take the same armies, the same ghosts, equalize the upgrades (not hard to do, MC learned this lesson against Thorzain) and shove them at any choke and I'll show you a dead terran bioball. 1/1/1 is clearly a different matter, but I hate all ins anyway. | ||
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PeggyHill
1494 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:57 Xercen wrote: Game1 Mc did a great defend vs 1-1-1 but for some reason decided to expand again instead of going for fast 1 base colossus which was a mistake imo. If he had colossus in that engagement then he would have defended that 1-1-1 Game2 Mc lost his warp prism full of HT which was a critical mistake Game 3 I didn't understand why MC wanted to base trade instead of defending and going what he did in game 1 i.e immortals into colossus It's not fair to look at MCs mistakes in isolation. | ||
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Ravnemesteren
224 Posts
And gratz to the community for turning another LR thread into QQ and whining. | ||
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
But let's look at new Slayers BFH build against zerg off 2 base into expansion. You can already see signs of zerg figuring out ways to deal with it. Macro hatchery placement, multiple queens to target medivac. | ||
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Warrice
United States565 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:56 redFF wrote: AHAHHA THIS IS THE FUNNIEST POST I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE. marines do more damage than zerglings terran op! storm does 20 damage per second over 40 seconds.. | ||
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Ozcollo
United States154 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:54 SafeAsCheese wrote: Shut up. It was Lee and the Korean netizens that make it seem like Pumas fault. Good luck getting people to understand that, lol. I have no idea why they still shit all over PuMa for that. Anyway, I'm glad he won but I wish it wouldn't have been w/ 1/1/1 for two of the three games played. | ||
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Zaclye
106 Posts
show some respect to puma pls. -_- | ||
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Doomwish
438 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:53 Stratos_speAr wrote: He isn't getting respect because he didn't show off any skill. He did a 1/1/1 twice, which is a boring, incredibly uncreative and undoubtedly too-strong build that is just unenjoyable to watch. Most have no doubt that Puma is a great player - we've seen that in other tournaments (including against MC), but when you use some lame-ass build to win 2 out of 3 games and give probably the worst SC2 finals ever (alongside Nestea and Inca), then you're not going to get a lot of cheers from fans. I disagree i think Puma played very well. Those were some scrappy nail biting games . I enjoyed them . I honestly think Puma is the better player and this series even solidified that opinion . I'm glad he is finally overcoming his nervousness issues to show his skills. | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:58 Evangelist wrote: Look, he got 2-2 within the last minute or so of the game. For the important engagement he was behind on upgrades. Puma stopped upgrading because +1 armour against a protoss with half your supply is pointless. Puma killed his expo, Puma had marvellous reactions to storms (sitting for no more than 40% of a duration except when he knew he was talking out HTs) and he sniped MC's warp prism mid combat. He also engaged at fantastic angles, coming through on both sides of the watch tower, and he also had like 12 medivacs which MC did absolutely nothing abpout. MC got outplayed in game 2. Has nothing to do with balance. Take the same armies, the same ghosts, equalize the upgrades (not hard to do, MC learned this lesson against Thorzain) and shove them at any choke and I'll show you a dead terran bioball. 1/1/1 is clearly a different matter, but I hate all ins anyway. I think he had 2/2 in that fight. | ||
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krews
United States1308 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:57 Razuik wrote: Then learn what the fuck to do. People need to stop with the balance whine shit. how do you learn something that isnt possible | ||
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:54 PeggyHill wrote: It's not fair to look at MCs mistakes in isolation. Puma in Game 1 completly failed his all in and yet was able to follow it up with another push that won the game. Completely failed, that is a big mistake, yet it didn't stop him winning the game. Game 2, Puma lost at least 3 drops for no damage AND had an expansion denied. MC lost 1 warp prism with 4 HT (a big loss) and got EMPed a few times (which is almost impossible to not have happen in PvT at that level. It's not that MC didn't make mistakes, it's that the mistakes he made were not as major as Puma yet he still got rolled every game. I am sure all protoss know that a large medivac count with 3-3 MM and not having any storms will just melt any gateway army unless they have like 5 archons or something idk. | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
MC played even worse and paid the price. I've never seen MC play that badly before. As for the race balance, i'll trust blizzard and the maps to fix that problem. as for personalities. Puma is boring, unattractive, and Disreputable with TSL I don't dislike EG BTW MC: Brash, Bold, Competant player who makes bad mistakes against rival opponents. Perhaps him drinking less soda will help him think more clearly. Who are you going to root for.. obviously the boss Protoss. | ||
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:53 asdads wrote: For those who say MC did everything right and terran is IMBA just remember that Mana 2-0 Puma. watch the fucking games, don't say what is IMBA or not just with names, watch the games... | ||
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