Grubby vs. TLO Show-match in Warcraft 3 & Starcraft 2
For those of you who watched the GSS Invitational, you'll remember Grubby and TLO discussing a Warcraft 3 show-match after TLO let slip he wasn't so bad at Warcraft 3 himself. So, here it is.
I can't imagine that this will be a great set of games. TLO plays SC2 fulltime, and Grubby is one of the greatest WC3 players ever. I can only imagine that Grubby will crush TLO in WC3, and that TLO will crush Grubby in SC2. I hope I'm proved wrong, but I'm not too excited about this.
no offense to the hometown hero, but i think that tlo is going to get smashed in both games. grubby has been improving so fast in sc2, while tlo has only posted worsening results in the game.
On August 11 2011 08:06 CDRdude wrote: I can't imagine that this will be a great set of games. TLO plays SC2 fulltime, and Grubby is one of the greatest WC3 players ever. I can only imagine that Grubby will crush TLO in WC3, and that TLO will crush Grubby in SC2. I hope I'm proved wrong, but I'm not too excited about this.
I think Grubby vs TLO in SC2 will be a good match, Grubby is pretty good.
WC3 part will probably be a stomp, or maybe some special tactics to entertain the viewers.
On August 11 2011 08:06 CDRdude wrote: I can't imagine that this will be a great set of games. TLO plays SC2 fulltime, and Grubby is one of the greatest WC3 players ever. I can only imagine that Grubby will crush TLO in WC3, and that TLO will crush Grubby in SC2. I hope I'm proved wrong, but I'm not too excited about this.
I doubt that TLO will just crush Grubby in SC2. Grubby is pretty good now, I think it will be a good entertaining series.
Why wouldn't they also play BW? TLO was B- I believe and I don't think it is fair Grubby has the advantage of being good in both WC3 and SC2 and TLO only SC2.
sc2 should be pretty close. Wc3 will be pretty easy for grubby if he plays serious, but i guess he'll play some fun strats so the games will be more entertaining.
This will be fun. I used to watch some Warcraft 3 back in the day (not nearly as much as I do now with SC2 though) so this will be fun for the nostalgia alone. Awesome poster by the way.
On August 11 2011 08:21 marttorn wrote: Haha this will be pretty fun.
In WC3 it's like BoxeR vs YellOw SC2 (>,<)
whatever the case, i'm sure it'll be fun to watch! i'm sure grubby will make it entertaining. the sc2 games should be good matches, and overall the event sounds like a great idea.
TLO is a "legend" apparently, first time I hear of him is in Sc2 and it's like a 1 year old game, while Grubby been playing forever with huge success in War3.
On August 11 2011 08:16 Mastermind wrote: I hope Grubby's offraces in wc3 are bad enough that TLO can put up a fight, but I doubt it. I'll tune in for the lols though.
Nope, Grubby is efficient enough to make anyone who is "pretty good" at wc3 look like your every day scrub. With every race. He off raced vs top tier opponents before and did ok.
If you haven't been heard of in wc3 you will get stomped by every top tier player, unless mabye you're from china.
Sc2 should be good, wc3 should be hilarious if grubby decides to make it entertaining.
On August 11 2011 08:31 Kentakky wrote: TLO is a "legend" apparently, first time I hear of him is in Sc2 and it's like a 1 year old game, while Grubby been playing forever with huge success in War3.
They're not actually going to kill one another either, it's promotional material bud, relax.
On August 11 2011 08:16 Mastermind wrote: I hope Grubby's offraces in wc3 are bad enough that TLO can put up a fight, but I doubt it. I'll tune in for the lols though.
I saw grubby play some random back in WC3 and he was really good with all the races. I doubt TLO will have any chances in the warcraft-battle. Fun-event though
Poor TLO vs Grubby in WC3?... Uhh 3-0 Grubby still Grubby might go easy on TLO and have a close series 3-2 possible, in SC2 TLO 4-3 either way could go, gonna be some fun games up ahead!
On August 11 2011 08:31 Kentakky wrote: TLO is a "legend" apparently, first time I hear of him is in Sc2 and it's like a 1 year old game, while Grubby been playing forever with huge success in War3.
They're not actually going to kill one another either, it's promotional material bud, relax.
I'm relaxed and you can promote all you want but you don't have to misuse words like dat is all I'm sayin'
Whatevs hope for some nice games wc3 should be fun xD
In the GSS (Grubby's Starcraft Series) there was a Q&A with Grubby and TLO. One of the questions was 'If TLO would play WC3 against you (Grubby), would he be able to kill a unit?' onto which Grubby answered 'maybe'. Thus they decided to try it out and here's the result
This is an awesome idea, every time I see these old wc3 pros at tourneys I'm always secretly hoping for a wc3 showmatch. Not that I would consider TLO a pro at wc3 but it should be fun to watch nonetheless.
yeah wc3 is gonna be super one sided but i think grubby is gonna play random and use some fun strats. I expect mass necro with the ud "catapult" if he rolls UD.
I am very happy to see TLO vs Grubby since they're both very nice guys and my fav players. My bet would be on Orc ( undead = autolose ) And sc2 is hard since its bo1.. I'm gonna go with Grubby.
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I wonder how good TLO is at warcraft. I doubt he can measure up to Grubby, especially if he randoms orc in any of the games ^_^ Hopefully they won't be completely one sided, but maybe TLO is some secret pro warcraft player.
Stuff like this happens to rarely. Why arent for example gsl finals spiced up with fun showmatches of eliminated players like other games/ums/offraces? Really looking forward to this! :D :D
if grubby plays orc i doubt grubby will loose a single unit in warcraft 3, however if hes playing random then ya im sure he will atleast get 1 unit kill lol
for sc2, it will be close... Tlo might not be putting up good results lately,but neither has grubby. I'd say 3-2 for tlo.
Not that fair really, but will be cool to watch. WC3 will be an absolute stomp (though Grubby will likely take it easy to make it more fun), SC2 will probably be close.
Awesome, can't wait! Even though the WC3 is very skewed in favor of Grubby, I'm positive he will pull out some entertaining special tactics for a good show!
Nope, Grubby is efficient enough to make anyone who is "pretty good" at wc3 look like your every day scrub. With every race. He off raced vs top tier opponents before and did ok.
If you haven't been heard of in wc3 you will get stomped by every top tier player, unless mabye you're from china.
Sc2 should be good, wc3 should be hilarious if grubby decides to make it entertaining.
You are kind of wrong here. Good players can occasionally beat the top players. I was rank 1 on USWEST (the easiest server ID: GoSU4u[aP]) and I managed to take a game off lucifer who won the wcg in 09. In saying this, TLO probably wasn't even a level 50 player..... which means it will be an utter rape.
On August 11 2011 11:27 hytonight wrote: never watched warcraft 3...good time to start
watching a noob play wc3 is actually the worst thing ever. dont know how to feel about TLO playing Grubby in wc3 O.o
There is no cheese like in starcraft where a bad player can win a map vs a good player. TLO has ABSOLUTELY no chance! Not 1 map out of 100! Maybe it will be fun to see how grubby plays though...
The sc2 part will be a pretty good showmatch i think
Oh God this is going to be awesome and make my day for sure XD. I hope TLO is at least half of Grubby level in War3. Its all going to come to micro IMO. If TLO messes up, Grubby wins.
Why not Supreme Commmander too ? I dont know how good TLO is in WC3 but I would wonder if he could even kill Grubby's hero once ! Imagine Grubby playing ORC with Blademaster. That will be super one-sided to watch, but we all know TLO, he might surprise us with something completely new. Looking forward.
Well the WC3 matches should be a good warmup for the SC2 series. Grubby should roll TLO in WC3, even if he spawns undead :p and then the SC2 series should actually produce some good games. I see TLO taking the SC2 games, but it should be entertaining nonetheless =D
On August 11 2011 08:16 Mastermind wrote: I hope Grubby's offraces in wc3 are bad enough that TLO can put up a fight, but I doubt it. I'll tune in for the lols though.
Go to his (grubby) website and download the grubby offrace replay pack , and see how he plays as random , he's good.
AHHA this is gna be sooo EPIC.!!!!!!!!! Grubby is a BOss at War3 lol so it will be cool to see if he uses some off heroes and wierd builds. And then the sc2 MAthc series will be awsomne no doubt. Hopefully they both dont get too tired :D Tlo and Grubby !! <3
Definately gonna be 3-0 for Grubby in the WC3 match. I think he'll take the SC2 game aswell, considering his own improvement, and TLO's lack of practice, due to his injury.
On August 11 2011 17:05 KaZzZz wrote: TLO seems to be a great guy and is definitely a talendet player, but he's also very overrated (even considering his twist issue).
I don't think people are TLO fans because they expect him to win all the time, or even because they think he's one of the best. They're fans because he's awesome, creative, and funny. He's the kind of guy you can't help but like and he comes up with a TON of wacky crap.
If I rmemeber correctly a lot of pro players including Grubby had very good off races, so this will not end well for TLO easily Grubby 3-0 in warcraft 3 unless he does some unorthodox strategy? lol
SC2 it will probably be a very good game!!! Think Grubby will take it!!!! 4-2 or 4-3!!!
On August 11 2011 08:16 Mastermind wrote: I hope Grubby's offraces in wc3 are bad enough that TLO can put up a fight, but I doubt it. I'll tune in for the lols though.
Go to his (grubby) website and download the grubby offrace replay pack , and see how he plays as random , he's good.
I remember him saying somewhere he could take games off other pros while offracing up until a few years ago when the strategies had just become too developed.
Oddly enough I most eager to see how TLO play. If I remember right he was Supcom champ once or twice? Wasn't a bad BW player. Played all three SC2 races in beta and was pro-level with all of them. I would be supried if he hadn't taken a run at the top of the ladder during whatever short stint he may have played wc3.
On August 11 2011 17:18 Tommylew wrote: If I rmemeber correctly a lot of pro players including Grubby had very good off races, so this will not end well for TLO easily Grubby 3-0 in warcraft 3 unless he does some unorthodox strategy? lol
SC2 it will probably be a very good game!!! Think Grubby will take it!!!! 4-2 or 4-3!!!
yeah I remember some great replays back in the day of Grubby kicking ass with undead,
3-0 wc3 EZ, sc2 I'm not so sure but Grubby is still a boss, should be an awesome series
haha of course I know I will get rolled in wc3,I havent played it in ages. I was on a pretty high semi-pro level AGES ago, now I dont even remember the hotkeys and never no where close grubby of course, but its just for fun
On August 11 2011 17:30 Liquid`TLO wrote: haha of course I know I will get rolled in wc3,I havent played it in ages. I was on a pretty high semi-pro level AGES ago, now I dont even remember the hotkeys and never no where close grubby of course, but its just for fun
Quick, you must find a coach and practice partners!!! It may be a friendly battle, but it's to the DEATH!
Nope, Grubby is efficient enough to make anyone who is "pretty good" at wc3 look like your every day scrub. With every race. He off raced vs top tier opponents before and did ok.
If you haven't been heard of in wc3 you will get stomped by every top tier player, unless mabye you're from china.
Sc2 should be good, wc3 should be hilarious if grubby decides to make it entertaining.
You are kind of wrong here. Good players can occasionally beat the top players. I was rank 1 on USWEST (the easiest server ID: GoSU4u[aP]) and I managed to take a game off lucifer who won the wcg in 09. In saying this, TLO probably wasn't even a level 50 player..... which means it will be an utter rape.
Lucifer never won the WCG. and u talk abut some stupid ladder stats. while like the last 6 years or whatever no one good played ladder anymore (only when they had 2 qualify for Blizzcon but then also pro ladder). so the omg he wasnt lvl 50 says nothing. but yeah pretty sure he gets raped
On August 11 2011 08:05 Tidus Mino wrote: tbh Warcraft 3 and Supreme commander would have been better, but I guess not many people played Supreme Commander
O man, that would be excellent, If they did a game of SupCom too :D
On August 11 2011 23:16 Bippzy wrote: What happens if I call the number at the bottom of the poster?
You'll be connected to our ticket hotline where you can purchase tickets to attend either Grubby or TLO's house on the day of the event and sit behind them while they play - snacks and drinks included.
Aww I won't be home to watch this hopefully there will be VODs up. Should be a really epic series, wc3 series will probably be one-sided but it'll be fun anyway ^^
On August 11 2011 23:16 Bippzy wrote: What happens if I call the number at the bottom of the poster?
You'll be connected to our ticket hotline where you can purchase tickets to attend either Grubby or TLO's house on the day of the event and sit behind them while they play - snacks and drinks included.
How much are tickets going for these days? Are cameras allowed?
On August 11 2011 23:30 mighty_honour_korea wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:16 Bippzy wrote: What happens if I call the number at the bottom of the poster?
You'll be connected to our ticket hotline where you can purchase tickets to attend either Grubby or TLO's house on the day of the event and sit behind them while they play - snacks and drinks included.
How much are tickets going for these days? Are cameras allowed?
No cameras, glare off the screen from the camera flash could blind the talent. If you'd like to bring a sketch artist to capture the experience we'll give you half off on his admission.
On August 12 2011 00:02 Naniwa wrote: people in europe need to start god damn practising instead of making random shows to attract viewers
good job at GSTL. people in europe need to prop up their random shows. it attracts viewers (me) and thus makes us happy. pls continue to make us happy and dont listen to that cranky old swede...
"Two Legends"? Grubby is a legend. No one else in europe was as good as him for a long time, but TLO? Srsly... This whole stuff going on about TLO is just embarassing imo. Why can't he go into "silent" mode for 2-3 Months and then return and maybe he will be a better player after that and can show some good results.
On August 12 2011 00:37 HarryKlein wrote: "Two Legends"? Grubby is a legend. No one else in europe was as good as him for a long time, but TLO? Srsly... This whole stuff going on about TLO is just embarassing imo. Why can't he go into "silent" mode for 2-3 Months and then return and maybe he will be a better player after that and can show some good results.
He was in "silent mode" for the last month trying to heal up. He's come back and is starting to play well like he has always been doing. He's a fan favorite hence the Legend moniker. Don't shit on TLO please.
On August 12 2011 00:37 HarryKlein wrote: "Two Legends"? Grubby is a legend. No one else in europe was as good as him for a long time, but TLO? Srsly... This whole stuff going on about TLO is just embarassing imo. Why can't he go into "silent" mode for 2-3 Months and then return and maybe he will be a better player after that and can show some good results.
He was in "silent mode" for the last month trying to heal up. He's come back and is starting to play well like he has always been doing. He's a fan favorite hence the Legend moniker. Don't shit on TLO please.
U cant consider TLO a sc2 legend, tbh no one can be a legend in sc2 considering that game is 1 year old.. sure this is only for hype in the gfx, but i can understand ppl getting upset about calling tlo a "legend".
On August 12 2011 00:37 HarryKlein wrote: "Two Legends"? Grubby is a legend. No one else in europe was as good as him for a long time, but TLO? Srsly... This whole stuff going on about TLO is just embarassing imo. Why can't he go into "silent" mode for 2-3 Months and then return and maybe he will be a better player after that and can show some good results.
He was in "silent mode" for the last month trying to heal up. He's come back and is starting to play well like he has always been doing. He's a fan favorite hence the Legend moniker. Don't shit on TLO please.
U cant consider TLO a sc2 legend, tbh no one can be a legend in sc2 considering that game is 1 year old.. sure this is only for hype in the gfx, but i can understand ppl getting upset about calling tlo a "legend".
He and fruitdealer WERE the legends in BETA, end of story TLO and his random mechanics
and fruitdealer winning so much, and dominating so hard during beta.
On August 12 2011 00:37 HarryKlein wrote: "Two Legends"? Grubby is a legend. No one else in europe was as good as him for a long time, but TLO? Srsly... This whole stuff going on about TLO is just embarassing imo. Why can't he go into "silent" mode for 2-3 Months and then return and maybe he will be a better player after that and can show some good results.
He was in "silent mode" for the last month trying to heal up. He's come back and is starting to play well like he has always been doing. He's a fan favorite hence the Legend moniker. Don't shit on TLO please.
U cant consider TLO a sc2 legend, tbh no one can be a legend in sc2 considering that game is 1 year old.. sure this is only for hype in the gfx, but i can understand ppl getting upset about calling tlo a "legend".
You're right, it's mostly for hype. And I don't need to consider him a legend to like him, so I don't really care. But I don't like people implying anything TLO is doing is "embarrassing", so I was just defending him.
lol Grubby could probably take TLO down in WC3 while blindfolded, one armed tied behind his back and surrounded by 17 hot strippers. The SC2 match should be interesting though. I'd put TLO as the slight favorite but Grubby could very well win at both games.
I'm suprised so many people are saying TLO should win the SC2 at all, let alone easy. Ever since he got injured he hasn't been good while Grubby has been getting better and better.
Grubby should win both sets easily but considering TLO is playing they should be fun to watch.
I will try to catch this one. Sounds very entertaining to me. I like to watch wc3 as well as sc2. I hope TLO will put up a good fight against Grubby at wc3, though I have no idea how he is going to do that. (Guys, I have a question. Which word is the proper one for this sentence - this or that? I am getting stuck almost every time when I need to choose one over another)
On August 12 2011 00:37 HarryKlein wrote: "Two Legends"? Grubby is a legend. No one else in europe was as good as him for a long time, but TLO? Srsly... This whole stuff going on about TLO is just embarassing imo. Why can't he go into "silent" mode for 2-3 Months and then return and maybe he will be a better player after that and can show some good results.
He was in "silent mode" for the last month trying to heal up. He's come back and is starting to play well like he has always been doing. He's a fan favorite hence the Legend moniker. Don't shit on TLO please.
U cant consider TLO a sc2 legend, tbh no one can be a legend in sc2 considering that game is 1 year old.. sure this is only for hype in the gfx, but i can understand ppl getting upset about calling tlo a "legend".
so the most being the most globally known player on the most globally known team (look where your posting this before you argue) is not legendary? His results don't make him a legend but his fanbase and popularity do. TLO is the player who introduced tens of thousands of fans to sc2 and competitive gaming
On August 11 2011 08:05 Tidus Mino wrote: tbh Warcraft 3 and Supreme commander would have been better, but I guess not many people played Supreme Commander
Why would that be an option?
I don't see TLO taking any games off Grubby in WC3, however, in SC2 Grubby is pretty skilled so this seems like it's either going to be 1-1 or 2-0. Sure win for Grubby in WC3, and a slim maybe in SC2.
This should be sick, also interested to see how Grubby's improving. His last two tourney results that I saw from him, he only went out in pool play on head-to-head records so he's getting there
On August 11 2011 08:05 Tidus Mino wrote: tbh Warcraft 3 and Supreme commander would have been better, but I guess not many people played Supreme Commander
Why would that be an option?
I don't see TLO taking any games off Grubby in WC3, however, in SC2 Grubby is pretty skilled so this seems like it's either going to be 1-1 or 2-0. Sure win for Grubby in WC3, and a slim maybe in SC2.
TLO played Supreme Commander at a really high level, both 1v1 and 2v2 forming a team with his brother "The Big One." I have no idea if Grubby played SupCom at all, but it would definitely be better to have WC3 and SupCom so that they each have their own game that they're good at, you know? 'Cause right now it's looking like TLO's gonna get rolled in both games.
On August 11 2011 08:05 Tidus Mino wrote: tbh Warcraft 3 and Supreme commander would have been better, but I guess not many people played Supreme Commander
Why would that be an option?
I don't see TLO taking any games off Grubby in WC3, however, in SC2 Grubby is pretty skilled so this seems like it's either going to be 1-1 or 2-0. Sure win for Grubby in WC3, and a slim maybe in SC2.
On August 11 2011 08:05 Tidus Mino wrote: tbh Warcraft 3 and Supreme commander would have been better, but I guess not many people played Supreme Commander
Why would that be an option?
I don't see TLO taking any games off Grubby in WC3, however, in SC2 Grubby is pretty skilled so this seems like it's either going to be 1-1 or 2-0. Sure win for Grubby in WC3, and a slim maybe in SC2.
That was TLO's previous game of choice, no?
First online game for him was Broodwar at around 2002 to 2004/2005 then TLO played WC3 around 2004 or 2005 maybe 2006 a bit too. Then from 2007 on he played SupCom for about a year or so and after that he played Broodwar again. (Before playing online he played basically every RTS of the era 1996 to 2002 on LAN vs his brothers - and quite a few from the 2002 to 2005 era as well. If he ever wins a MLG or similar Tournament I will challenge him to a bo21 in 21 different RTS.
On August 11 2011 08:05 Tidus Mino wrote: tbh Warcraft 3 and Supreme commander would have been better, but I guess not many people played Supreme Commander
Why would that be an option?
I don't see TLO taking any games off Grubby in WC3, however, in SC2 Grubby is pretty skilled so this seems like it's either going to be 1-1 or 2-0. Sure win for Grubby in WC3, and a slim maybe in SC2.
That was TLO's previous game of choice, no?
First online game for him was Broodwar at around 2002 to 2004/2005 then TLO played WC3 around 2004 or 2005 maybe 2006 a bit too. Then from 2007 on he played SupCom for about a year or so and after that he played Broodwar again. (Before playing online he played basically every RTS of the era 1996 to 2002 on LAN vs his brothers - and quite a few from the 2002 to 2005 era as well. If he ever wins a MLG or similar Tournament I will challenge him to a bo21 in 21 different RTS.
I would really like to watch some showmatch that features more than two different games. Altough it is already nice to have 2.
On August 11 2011 08:05 Tidus Mino wrote: tbh Warcraft 3 and Supreme commander would have been better, but I guess not many people played Supreme Commander
Why would that be an option?
I don't see TLO taking any games off Grubby in WC3, however, in SC2 Grubby is pretty skilled so this seems like it's either going to be 1-1 or 2-0. Sure win for Grubby in WC3, and a slim maybe in SC2.
That was TLO's previous game of choice, no?
First online game for him was Broodwar at around 2002 to 2004/2005 then TLO played WC3 around 2004 or 2005 maybe 2006 a bit too. Then from 2007 on he played SupCom for about a year or so and after that he played Broodwar again. (Before playing online he played basically every RTS of the era 1996 to 2002 on LAN vs his brothers - and quite a few from the 2002 to 2005 era as well. If he ever wins a MLG or similar Tournament I will challenge him to a bo21 in 21 different RTS.
On August 12 2011 06:14 Lylat wrote: What's the point of playing WC3 ? TLO wasn't even a WC3 player (I think?) and he'll play against one of the best ever... lol
It seems dario played some WC3, however he was not a top player like Grubby and he stopped playing WC3 very long time ago.
On August 11 2011 14:58 AWOT wrote: Oh God this is going to be awesome and make my day for sure XD. I hope TLO is at least half of Grubby level in War3. Its all going to come to micro IMO. If TLO messes up, Grubby wins.
He's probably not even 10 % of grubby... I dont think that he actually can play that game
Can you remember how the idea came up? Grubby wanted to answer questions via Twitter with Tlo. So i thought i twitter the question:" If Grubby and Tlo played Wc3, would grubby loose a unit?". They both read the question and wanted to test their skill :D Yes thank me for this, without my twitter they wouldn't play this now xD (yeah, e-fame xD) NiklasStarcraft
This will be a great event. And, everyone should understand show match. TLO knows he'll lose war3, even with Grubby messing around. It's for fun and should be awesome to watch.
And the sc2 series should be very close. TLO's strats make me feel like...this cannot work....uhhh what the hell happened here.
On August 11 2011 08:06 CDRdude wrote: I can't imagine that this will be a great set of games. TLO plays SC2 fulltime, and Grubby is one of the greatest WC3 players ever. I can only imagine that Grubby will crush TLO in WC3, and that TLO will crush Grubby in SC2. I hope I'm proved wrong, but I'm not too excited about this.
Will happen exatly like you said, still I find i interesting
The fact he's offracing doesn't matter for TLO. Grubby used to do that against players in competitive matches when he knew the skillgap was extremely big (and no, that wasn't seen as bm).
Grubby won't lose to TLO in WC3. He was playing it until very recently, and was among the best in the world. The only people who could consistently beat him were Remind/Moon/Sky. I feel that Lyn was better but they were pretty close, but that's cause it was Orc mirror and not Elf vs Orc. Even if Grubby off races, I still think he will win. If Grubby off races I can see the games being closer though.
SC2....not sure. I don't follow either of these players.
WC3 is herocentric, and Grubby's Blademaster control is immaculate. It's going to be very hard for TLO to beat him if he doesn't offrace. SC2 is a different story, though.
Man the Sc2 matches should be fun but people are saying Grubbys getting really good?? I havent been following him at all soo ill leave the Sc2 matches to be close =p
Wc3 however, I remember watching grubby reps when i wanted to play wc3 and i swear he doesnt lose the stronger units just little peons he brings to the battle T___T whatta beast
On August 11 2011 08:06 CDRdude wrote: I can't imagine that this will be a great set of games. TLO plays SC2 fulltime, and Grubby is one of the greatest WC3 players ever. I can only imagine that Grubby will crush TLO in WC3, and that TLO will crush Grubby in SC2. I hope I'm proved wrong, but I'm not too excited about this.
Will happen exatly like you said, still I find i interesting
Except that TLO won't "crush" Grubby in SC2, it can be close...
On August 12 2011 20:29 ProxyKnoxy wrote: How good was Grubby in WC3?
lol
srsly even if you have never been in the wc scene but are only 1% interested in esport u should know grubby
I remember at the beta many warcraft players didnt even know who is boxer so whats your point?
That does not change that anyone interested in esports should probably know who he is. I had never even opened Starcraft 1 before sc2 came out, and I knew who Boxer was. Grubby was among the top three players in the world from 2003-2010, winning international tournaments in China, Korea, and the west consistently. He is well mannered and sociable, and pretty-much was the face of WC3. The only player with an equivalent claim to historic dominance of WC3 was Moon, but Grubby had a good record VS moon, beating him 3-1 in 2006, then again at the WCG grand finals in 2008, in probably the most famous match of WC3 ever played.
On August 13 2011 16:34 27raven wrote: There is still 1d 4h left in the list of upcoming events, but OP says Saturday 14:00 CEST. Please, is this played today or tomorrow?
On August 13 2011 12:13 rickybobby wrote: obviously tlo will crush grubby in sc and grubby will crush him in wc3...
TLO crushing Grubby in SC2 is not obvious in the slightest. I think it is actually a pretty even matchup. I could very easily see Grubby taking it down 4-2.
On August 13 2011 12:13 rickybobby wrote: obviously tlo will crush grubby in sc and grubby will crush him in wc3...
TLO crushing Grubby in SC2 is not obvious in the slightest. I think it is actually a pretty even matchup. I could very easily see Grubby taking it down 4-2.
I agree, i would even expect it to be honest. I mean Grubby is playing full time afaik, TLO probably not (because his wrist). (though if i think about it probably both of them play full time, but Grubby probably still more ^^)
And Grubbys results in SC2 haven't been too bad either.
If TLO once was a lvl 42 wc3 player then he is atleast somewhat decent, but nowhere near Grubby. Should be fun though, expecting Grubby to play funstrats (mass headhunter + witchdocs maybe? ^^) or maybe different races.
On August 13 2011 18:50 starsheep wrote: thats why I only follow the non-korean SC2 Scene, its more focused on fun and community, and not all about money ...
a balanced, well informed first post from starsheep.
Should be a lot of fun (though god help TLO if grubby randoms into orc...though his offraces used to be solid also back when he was playing quite a bit).
Just to confirm, this is in ~90 mins as opposed to another day as it's listed in the calendar, right?
This is going to be epic :D Fan of Grubby since I saw 4Kings dominate with FoV/ToD/Grubby :D
I like TLO but rooting for Grubby for this one :D Think it will be atleast tied with Grubby easily taking wc3 series and either sc2 series can go both ways :D
On August 11 2011 08:05 Tidus Mino wrote: tbh Warcraft 3 and Supreme commander would have been better, but I guess not many people played Supreme Commander
+ jaeh same idea i think its not fair that tlo's crap wc3 have to play vs best wc3 gamer ever
Didn't Grubby win even an important tournement game offracing as UD? ... TLO is so dead. :D I would even give Grubby the edge in SC2 right now, with the amount of practice he puts in and considering that TLO has not yet found back to his old form.
Ok, what ever...I am just another Grubby fanboy - GO GRUBTOR!
On August 13 2011 20:09 HaRuHi wrote: Didn't Grubby win even an important tournement game offracing as UD? ... TLO is so dead. :D I would even give Grubby the edge in SC2 right now, with the amount of practice he puts in and considering that TLO has not yet found back to his old form.
Ok, what ever...I am just another Grubby fanboy - GO GRUBTOR!
i wonder if grubbys wc3 play is corrupted enough by playing sc2 now so that tlo might have a chance. after all we know former wc3 pros had a hard time and still struggle to get to the tops in sc2 even though im sure they take the whole deal seriously. as for sc2 both are doing well in the gm league so that should be fun to watch gogo clock move faster STILL 47mins 8[
On August 13 2011 20:17 biteMe wrote: i wonder if grubbys wc3 play is corrupted enough by playing sc2 now so that tlo might have a chance. after all we know former wc3 pros had a hard time and still struggle to get to the tops in sc2[
I wouldn't say that, several top EU players (Thorzain, Nani) come from WC3 backgrounds.
On August 13 2011 20:17 biteMe wrote: i wonder if grubbys wc3 play is corrupted enough by playing sc2 now so that tlo might have a chance. after all we know former wc3 pros had a hard time and still struggle to get to the tops in sc2 even though im sure they take the whole deal seriously. as for sc2 both are doing well in the gm league so that should be fun to watch gogo clock move faster STILL 47mins 8[
ThorZaIN. NaNi. SaSe. Grubby. ToD. All those seem pretty damn "tops in sc2".
(imo Grubby is one of the top sc2 player in EU, but I'm sure many disagree).
Unless you're talking about "tops in sc2"being the koreans but that wouldn't make sense, not that many koreans played wc3 so the comparison is not valid.
On August 13 2011 20:17 biteMe wrote: i wonder if grubbys wc3 play is corrupted enough by playing sc2 now so that tlo might have a chance. after all we know former wc3 pros had a hard time and still struggle to get to the tops in sc2 even though im sure they take the whole deal seriously. as for sc2 both are doing well in the gm league so that should be fun to watch gogo clock move faster STILL 47mins 8[
ThorZaIN. NaNi. SaSe. Grubby. ToD. All those seem pretty damn "tops in sc2".
(imo Grubby is one of the top sc2 player in EU, but I'm sure many disagree).
Unless you're talking about "tops in sc2"being the koreans but that wouldn't make sense, not that many koreans played wc3 so the comparison is not valid.
well i wont argue about this (becaus this isnt the place for that) but it should be clear what im talking about. the WCG used to be the most prestigious tourney in the world and players like Moon and Lyn have done very well there. But do you see them in the GSL finals? or CODE S? most of the other ex wc3 pros dont even compete.
On August 13 2011 20:17 biteMe wrote: i wonder if grubbys wc3 play is corrupted enough by playing sc2 now so that tlo might have a chance. after all we know former wc3 pros had a hard time and still struggle to get to the tops in sc2 even though im sure they take the whole deal seriously. as for sc2 both are doing well in the gm league so that should be fun to watch gogo clock move faster STILL 47mins 8[
ThorZaIN. NaNi. SaSe. Grubby. ToD. All those seem pretty damn "tops in sc2".
(imo Grubby is one of the top sc2 player in EU, but I'm sure many disagree).
Unless you're talking about "tops in sc2"being the koreans but that wouldn't make sense, not that many koreans played wc3 so the comparison is not valid.
Well there are better expamples than Grubby, who isn't doing too great imo, just replace him with Hasu in your list.
On August 13 2011 20:17 biteMe wrote: i wonder if grubbys wc3 play is corrupted enough by playing sc2 now so that tlo might have a chance. after all we know former wc3 pros had a hard time and still struggle to get to the tops in sc2 even though im sure they take the whole deal seriously. as for sc2 both are doing well in the gm league so that should be fun to watch gogo clock move faster STILL 47mins 8[
ThorZaIN. NaNi. SaSe. Grubby. ToD. All those seem pretty damn "tops in sc2".
(imo Grubby is one of the top sc2 player in EU, but I'm sure many disagree).
Unless you're talking about "tops in sc2"being the koreans but that wouldn't make sense, not that many koreans played wc3 so the comparison is not valid.
well i wont argue about this (becaus this isnt the place for that) but it should be clear what im talking about. the WCG used to be the most prestigious tourney in the world and players like Moon and Lyn have done very well there. But do you see them in the GSL finals? or CODE S? most of the other ex wc3 pros dont even compete.
...these players still play wc3 to qualify for the WCG and play in the last leagues. the wc3 scene in korea was nowhere as developped as the bw scene, in the foreign scene, it cannot be denied that almost all of the skill monsters played wc3 before, including stephano. anyway, the only reason behind all of this has always been training, ex-bw kr players now train exclusively on sc2, while former wc3 glories are hybrid players. a counter-example being Maka, former wc3 player, who now plays sc2 full-time, and i guess he does quite decent for someone that was nowhere near the top of the wc3 scene.
I watched just a few minutes of TLO's stream a few days earlier but had to close it quick when I got called out. In those few minutes I saw one of the best medivac-lifting-marauders micro I have ever seen. With that he won a small fight that he never should have.
Grubby will destroy TLO in WC3, but I expect TLO to destroy Grubby in SC2.
On August 13 2011 21:02 crms wrote: Please tell me vods cant stay awake bad time for west coast usa.good luck have fun cya in vods I hope when I wake up.
ESL always has VoDs Usually takes a bit of time, but they've been fast lately.
It's up, it's not on TL for some reason, but if you to tv.esl.eu then you have the stream. Edit: Ah it won't be on Teamliquid, they're streaming via Justin.tv now instead of own3d, and Rotti can't change it.
Is this game really counter-based? I am following the action pretty well, with Rotterdam's help of course, but I don't understand why what's happening is happening.
On August 13 2011 21:16 TheBanana wrote: I have no idea what's going on.
I like turtles.
So I think what happened was that TLO laid down some unconventional but effective pressure in the early game. Grubby leveled up and teched a bit faster than TLO, so he could move into a unit that countered TLO's composition's armor type. When TLO increased his tech he kept going into units that Grubby's composition countered and that was what determined it.
Anyone who actually knows what's going on want to tell me if that makes sense?
On August 13 2011 21:16 TheBanana wrote: I have no idea what's going on.
I like turtles.
So I think what happened was that TLO laid down some unconventional but effective pressure in the early game. Grubby leveled up and teched a bit faster than TLO, so he could move into a unit that countered TLO's composition's armor type. When TLO increased his tech he kept going into units that Grubby's composition countered and that was what determined it.
Anyone who actually knows what's going on want to tell me if that makes sense?
Yeah that's about right. I don't think TLO even tried to level up, you saw Grubby kill those mobs, the turtles and shit, but I didn't see TLO do that. It was a really weird game from TLO ;p.
On August 13 2011 21:16 TheBanana wrote: I have no idea what's going on.
I like turtles.
So I think what happened was that TLO laid down some unconventional but effective pressure in the early game. Grubby leveled up and teched a bit faster than TLO, so he could move into a unit that countered TLO's composition's armor type. When TLO increased his tech he kept going into units that Grubby's composition countered and that was what determined it.
Anyone who actually knows what's going on want to tell me if that makes sense?
Yeah that's about right. I don't think TLO even tried to level up, you saw Grubby kill those mobs, the turtles and shit, but I didn't see TLO do that. It was a really weird game from TLO ;p.
Thanks man, I actually want to learn something about WC3 tonight. Do you gain experience from damage or kills?
On August 13 2011 21:16 TheBanana wrote: I have no idea what's going on.
I like turtles.
So I think what happened was that TLO laid down some unconventional but effective pressure in the early game. Grubby leveled up and teched a bit faster than TLO, so he could move into a unit that countered TLO's composition's armor type. When TLO increased his tech he kept going into units that Grubby's composition countered and that was what determined it.
Anyone who actually knows what's going on want to tell me if that makes sense?
Yeah that's about right. I don't think TLO even tried to level up, you saw Grubby kill those mobs, the turtles and shit, but I didn't see TLO do that. It was a really weird game from TLO ;p.
Thanks man, I actually want to learn something about WC3 tonight. Do you gain experience from damage or kills?
Kills, you saw TLO even running his grunt off to die at creeps, therefore denying the exp for Grubby.
On August 13 2011 21:16 TheBanana wrote: I have no idea what's going on.
I like turtles.
So I think what happened was that TLO laid down some unconventional but effective pressure in the early game. Grubby leveled up and teched a bit faster than TLO, so he could move into a unit that countered TLO's composition's armor type. When TLO increased his tech he kept going into units that Grubby's composition countered and that was what determined it.
Anyone who actually knows what's going on want to tell me if that makes sense?
Yeah that's about right. I don't think TLO even tried to level up, you saw Grubby kill those mobs, the turtles and shit, but I didn't see TLO do that. It was a really weird game from TLO ;p.
Thanks man, I actually want to learn something about WC3 tonight. Do you gain experience from damage or kills?
only from kills. hence why we saw TLO suicide a grunt into those creeps in the first game so that grubby's hero won't gain experience.
On August 13 2011 21:16 TheBanana wrote: I have no idea what's going on.
I like turtles.
So I think what happened was that TLO laid down some unconventional but effective pressure in the early game. Grubby leveled up and teched a bit faster than TLO, so he could move into a unit that countered TLO's composition's armor type. When TLO increased his tech he kept going into units that Grubby's composition countered and that was what determined it.
Anyone who actually knows what's going on want to tell me if that makes sense?
Yeah that's about right. I don't think TLO even tried to level up, you saw Grubby kill those mobs, the turtles and shit, but I didn't see TLO do that. It was a really weird game from TLO ;p.
Thanks man, I actually want to learn something about WC3 tonight. Do you gain experience from damage or kills?
Kills . It's quite easy to understand tbh ;p once you see a couple of games you really get the game in general. Sadly we will probably only see three games today .
On August 13 2011 21:16 TheBanana wrote: I have no idea what's going on.
I like turtles.
So I think what happened was that TLO laid down some unconventional but effective pressure in the early game. Grubby leveled up and teched a bit faster than TLO, so he could move into a unit that countered TLO's composition's armor type. When TLO increased his tech he kept going into units that Grubby's composition countered and that was what determined it.
Anyone who actually knows what's going on want to tell me if that makes sense?
Yeah that's about right. I don't think TLO even tried to level up, you saw Grubby kill those mobs, the turtles and shit, but I didn't see TLO do that. It was a really weird game from TLO ;p.
TLO is for animal rights in WC3, leaves the turtles alone.
On August 13 2011 21:33 Toxi78 wrote: love the casting, "so why are the trees fighting now"
haha, i think it's great mr bitters has no idea about wc3, he asks the kind of question rotter probably wouldn't even be thinking about. should help the people that never played wc3 a lot with understanding what the hell's going on.
So this game Grubby laid down some harass early on. TLO did a better job at leveling, but he neglected tech again. TLO got a couple of early midgame engagements and then Grubby's tech advantage allowed him to put together the counter army once again.
If that's wrong, holla.
EDIT: These commentators are amazing. Rotti knows what's up and he is telling me exactly what I need to know. Bitter is asking the right questions.
On August 13 2011 21:36 thopol wrote: So this game Grubby laid down some harass early on. TLO did a better job at leveling, but he neglected tech again. TLO got a couple of early midgame engagements and then Grubby's tech advantage allowed him to put together the counter army once again.
If that's wrong, holla.
EDIT: These commentators are amazing. Rotti knows what's up and he is telling me exactly what I need to know. Bitter is asking the right questions.
About right once again . TLO seems to have the basics down, but he's basically making mass marine against mass colossi ;>.
The casters are actually quite a good combination for this kind of showmatch... without rotterdam explaining everything to mr bitters I would have no idea what's going on
On August 13 2011 21:40 Liudo wrote: Uh, stream is 240p?
If you want a higher quality, you have to get a premium ESL ticket.
Ah too bad. I had a premium ticket but it expired. I thought I could maybe get an introduction to WC3, but not at this streaming quality. Oh well, I will hope the SC2 games are streamed at better quality.
On August 13 2011 21:40 Liudo wrote: Uh, stream is 240p?
If you want a higher quality, you have to get a premium ESL ticket.
Ah too bad. I had a premium ticket but it expired. I thought I could maybe get an introduction to WC3, but not at this streaming quality. Oh well, I will hope the SC2 games are streamed at better quality.
Not for ESL, it won't be much of a higher quality. If you want quality, watch one of the players.. but the audio from ESL will be about 6-10 seconds ahead.
On August 13 2011 21:44 thopol wrote: That was really entertaining micro. The game being slower really makes it interesting for the observer in that way. I'm diggin this.
On August 13 2011 21:46 TheBanana wrote: What's that waterman walking around for TLO?
He should be good against Grubbys small lava men.
It's not like that ;p. The waterman is an ability of the archmage, just like the lava spawn of Grubby's firelord. e; Oh and it's called a Water Elemental . e2; Oh fuck, that was my 4000th post ;>, I wanted to make a blog for that xd. Well hey W3 is worth it.
shame TLO didn't bother practicing :/ not that he would be able to take a game off the king of orcs either way it still would have been nice to see what TLO could do if it took the games even a little bit seriously.
"they could play 90 more games and grubby would win all 90" - Rotterdam
Watching WC3 was funny. I only ever played the campaign, multi;players matches look fun.
I only catch the match where Grubby was elf against TLO Human. It was like, TLO had a bunch of weak marine and his hero was a bid medivac, but Grubby had 600hp Vulture thingy, then switch into enormous melee thing with i don't want to know how many hp who rape the marines. x)
They did one tournament iirc, it was amazing ;p, all these old W3 guys are just as awesome as before ;].
GomTV Warcraft 3 World Invitational. There was going to be a second season, but this was when KeSPA pulled all their players from Gom and pretty much everything ground to a halt.
Very solid play by Grubby in that first game, and some big mistakes by TLO on the other hand. Wasting those banshees on the first push and throwing away several medivacs near the end ... ack. Hurts to see that, even though I know how hard terran air units can be to micro properly.
Hoping for TLO to step up his game and beat Grubby in the BO7. It'd be a shame if Grubby won both .
TLO is going to clean this up. I have no idea what Grubby was thinking with that push. He had an obs that saw all of the important reasons not to go for it.
On August 13 2011 22:25 TR wrote: VODs available? I really want to see those WC3 games lol..
I've seen several folks ask and nobody answer. I think nobody knows.
On August 13 2011 22:26 thopol wrote: TLO is going to clean this up. I have no idea what Grubby was thinking with that push. He had an obs that saw all of the important reasons not to go for it.
On August 13 2011 22:17 Shockk wrote: Very solid play by Grubby in that first game, and some big mistakes by TLO on the other hand. Wasting those banshees on the first push and throwing away several medivacs near the end ... ack. Hurts to see that, even though I know how hard terran air units can be to micro properly.
Hoping for TLO to step up his game and beat Grubby in the BO7. It'd be a shame if Grubby won both .
Both games were rather sloppy on both sides, honestly.
On August 13 2011 22:49 Stanlot wrote: Do we know why TLO's recent style doesn't include blue flame despite hellion use?
Because Hellions with +2 attack 2 shot lings anyway. And he only does this vs zerg, against the other races he still gets blue flame if he uses plenty of hellions.
Random sidenote: Don't know if it's just having more experience, or if it's a lower-pressure environment, or what, but Mr. Bitter seems WAY more comfortable than during previous casts. Really enjoying his casting.
Grubby plays so safe. He's doing really well defending against harassments but Terran gets really powerful with 4 orbital command on full energy that I feel like it's worth taking the risk to finish them off.
On August 13 2011 23:11 thopol wrote: Grubby can't get a tempo lead no matter what he does.
EDIT: I'd guess what happened was that TLO sacrificed WC3 practice time for SC2 practice time. Probably the smart thing to do in a match like this.
Well it's just for fun in terms of # of matches Grubby's already won at this point, it's 5-2 with TLO not getting past 4. Though it's just for fun anyway.
On August 13 2011 23:11 thopol wrote: Grubby can't get a tempo lead no matter what he does.
EDIT: I'd guess what happened was that TLO sacrificed WC3 practice time for SC2 practice time. Probably the smart thing to do in a match like this.
Well it's just for fun in terms of # of matches Grubby's already won at this point, it's 5-2 with TLO not getting past 4. Though it's just for fun anyway.
Yeah, I guess I just meant TLO was probably trying to make sure to win one set to save face instead of trying for a chance to win both. It's true though, I doubt he made such a conscious effort in an event like this.
On August 14 2011 00:07 Cognizance wrote: That micro by TLO was literally the best thing I've seen in my life. And I've seen Scarlett Johansson in a bikini.
what about TLO in a bikini?
man that was good stuff, shame we didnt see undead in wc3 though
On August 14 2011 00:07 Cognizance wrote: That micro by TLO was literally the best thing I've seen in my life. And I've seen Scarlett Johansson in a bikini.
The first time I saw TLO do that kind of micro on his stream was when I decided to play Terran(I played Toss). I regret not.
Was fun to watch!! enjoyed the wc3, even though i never really seen it before, the sc2 games were really good too! Was rooting for Grubby, but well done by TLO!!
Grats to both, i enjoyed the series alot. But Mr. Bitter i don't think you can call the Western part of Starcraft lazy, it has to do with a lot of more factors then just playing 8 hours a day of playing.
I'm a bit surprised so many people seem to have no experience with WC3 whatsoever, I would have thought a RTS made by blizzard would get even the most die hard SC players to at least try play for a bit?? It seems somewhat of a pity considering how awesome of a game it is =( No doubt one of the best RTS games ever made imo~~
It was a really good show match, and I think that Grubby should have won the last game and in that way the series, but w/e it was still pretty good, and I also hope that TLO keeps his promise and makes a "vs the pro" show match series every week. <3
Dunno why they chose WC3, should've played some BW or at least SC2BW where both of the are pretty familiar with it but one of them didn't happen to be the best player in the world multiple times at the game.
On August 14 2011 00:30 Zealot Lord wrote: I'm a bit surprised so many people seem to have no experience with WC3 whatsoever, I would have thought a RTS made by blizzard would get even the most die hard SC players to at least try play for a bit?? It seems somewhat of a pity considering how awesome of a game it is =( No doubt one of the best RTS games ever made imo~~
WC3 can be extremely complex in details. The different heros and how the spells affect your own, or the enemys units.
When watching it is hard to follow for a non-player. Rotterdam did a lot of basic explanations today. But a commendation for pure WC3 audience is sick to follow ;o) So the rate of people picking up just by seeing the game is (and ever was) probably very low. In SC2 people see when a big army kills a little one, or when an army steps out of storm, forcefields and that stuff, and understand the basic concept instantly.
On August 11 2011 08:06 CDRdude wrote: I can't imagine that this will be a great set of games. TLO plays SC2 fulltime, and Grubby is one of the greatest WC3 players ever. I can only imagine that Grubby will crush TLO in WC3, and that TLO will crush Grubby in SC2. I hope I'm proved wrong, but I'm not too excited about this.
You were proven wrong, and I guess we're both happy about that.
The WC3 Games were really funny, never saw real competetive WC3. Only 1-2 Games of the Grand Finals last BlizzCon. But i'm happy WC3 is dead, its just not that entertaining as SC2 as viewer.
On August 14 2011 03:58 gehgrfhgrh wrote: The WC3 Games were really funny, never saw real competetive WC3. Only 1-2 Games of the Grand Finals last BlizzCon. But i'm happy WC3 is dead, its just not that entertaining as SC2 as viewer.
Well it's 10 times better to play than Starcraft II.
On August 14 2011 03:58 gehgrfhgrh wrote: The WC3 Games were really funny, never saw real competetive WC3. Only 1-2 Games of the Grand Finals last BlizzCon. But i'm happy WC3 is dead, its just not that entertaining as SC2 as viewer.
It's entertaining to people who actually understand the game and how involved the micro is. It's definitely a lot more fun to play than SC2.... :/
I fully understand why grubby would be considered a legend.. but what has TLO done to be labelled one. Does he have some previous achievements at a game he expertized in prior sc2?
On August 14 2011 08:03 pindleskin wrote: I fully understand why grubby would be considered a legend.. but what has TLO done to be labelled one. Does he have some previous achievements at a game he expertized in prior sc2?
Don't be so negative about labels . TLO did pretty well in the early days of SC2 by winning the first TL tournament and playing some epic games in the first few GSL's, amassing a nice fanbase. He might not meet your criteria for a 'legend', but that wasn't even the point of this showmatch.
On August 14 2011 03:58 gehgrfhgrh wrote: The WC3 Games were really funny, never saw real competetive WC3. Only 1-2 Games of the Grand Finals last BlizzCon. But i'm happy WC3 is dead, its just not that entertaining as SC2 as viewer.
Well it's 10 times better to play than Starcraft II.
As far as watching pros play, I too prefer SC2 over WC3 (despite me being a big time Moon fan), but I have to agree that playing wise, I definitely enjoyed playing WC3 considerably more as well. I'm not sure why, but losses are just a lot less frustrating in that game, I can't ever recall being so pissed off that I needed to blow off steam/rest a couple of days like I always do with SC2 for some reason =/
On August 14 2011 03:58 gehgrfhgrh wrote: The WC3 Games were really funny, never saw real competetive WC3. Only 1-2 Games of the Grand Finals last BlizzCon. But i'm happy WC3 is dead, its just not that entertaining as SC2 as viewer.
Well it's 10 times better to play than Starcraft II.
As far as watching pros play, I too prefer SC2 over WC3 (despite me being a big time Moon fan), but I have to agree that playing wise, I definitely enjoyed playing WC3 considerably more as well. I'm not sure why, but losses are just a lot less frustrating in that game, I can't ever recall being so pissed off that I needed to blow off steam/rest a couple of days like I always do with SC2 for some reason =/
I can tell you didn't play UD v orc t.t way more stressful than any mu i play nowadays
On August 16 2011 18:54 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn, can't believe I missed this! Anyways, sad to see that Dario couldn't take a game off Grubby in WC3. Were they at least somewhat close?
Not really, no.
Grubby used semi-serious strategies, TLO had pretty much no chance.
On August 14 2011 10:26 Esel wrote: Wc3 isnt dead so many ignorant ppl just like sc1 it is just not around in the NA EU scene in chinese its still played with big tournaments
which basically means wc3 is in EU/NA/KOR.. or to be more precise everywhere but china dead.
how will TLO beat grubby at wc3? TLO's only hope is if grubby didnt touch the game AT ALL, which im pretty sure he has.. if i recall correctly he uploaded some wc3 analysing videos on youtube like 2 weeks ago..
but sc2... i gotta give that to TLO.. im not sure >_<
On August 16 2011 20:44 SpaceFighting wrote: how will TLO beat grubby at wc3? TLO's only hope is if grubby didnt touch the game AT ALL, which im pretty sure he has.. if i recall correctly he uploaded some wc3 analysing videos on youtube like 2 weeks ago..
but sc2... i gotta give that to TLO.. im not sure >_<
You do know that this event happened a couple days ago and that the results are in the OP, right?
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hopefully there will be VODs up. Should be a really epic series, wc3 series will probably be one-sided but it'll be fun anyway ^^
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