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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:43 Brainiac wrote: I love those protosses who turtle the entire game, trying to gather a deathball 200/200 army, making only zealots and archons. Teaja made this guy look like a bronzie. WP Teaja. Move out --> get dropped --> lose Guess why P stays in the base? T_T | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:41 Ribbon wrote: The first game made me not like Metalopolis anymore. I think Toss will eventually figure out how to slow the 1-1-1 push enough to eventually stop it, but not on close air Metal they won't. Yeah like Ive been saying, just a few phoenix are really good at repelling it. How often have we seen protoss kill the ground army, but no anti -air. Or kill the banshees, and get rolled by the ground army? | ||
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
Yeeaaaah, InCa is good too, just not amazing. DRG can be amazing, but he could very well lose and I actually won't be that surprised. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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Scribble
2077 Posts
If DongRaeGu doesn't beat Inca than nothing is right in the world and there is no justice. | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:43 Akhee wrote: thats multitask, what WE were seeing was click behind + s, pretty simple, and wolf was like OMG DAT MICRO, that's why i'm saying it's ...really? Uh, all commentators are like this. Every force field is a 'beautiful force field,' every storm is a 'beautiful storm,' every EMP is a 'beautiful EMP.' Who cares? They are trying to make it exciting. SC2 commentators have never been known for making things intelligent and insightful. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:40 Ocedic wrote: Hearsay isn't a good arugment, especially when you don't even cite your sources. 'Many good Toss players' agree with you? I can do the same thing, many good non-Protoss players disagree with you. Also, first you claim no counter to the strategy exists, now you say there is a way to deal with it. Make up your mind, balance whiner! Where did I claim that no counter exists? Strawman harder, dude. I feel like I've effectively communicated that there are counters, but they're not very consistent. I said right there in one of my posts embedded in that big quote tree: "For one thing, most people here don't think it's uncounterable, but just that the skill and effort that takes to counter it far outstrips the skill and effort needed to execute it." Read more carefully. I didn't cite my sources because I actually don't feel like putting that much effort into arguing with someone like you - this "hearsay" I talk about is just observing 1-1-1 discussion in LR threads. I could ask right here in this LR thread what experienced Protoss players think is a proper counter to 1-1-1, and I'm pretty sure that what they say would match up with what I'm claiming works. But I don't think that would convince you either, because then you'd play one of two cards: 1. There's no proof that the players in the LR thread are experienced Toss players 2. Players in an LR thread aren't enough numerically to constitute "many good Toss players". There's no point in arguing with you because you'll just be as contrary as possible while periodically throwing out insults about how I'm a balance whining noob. | ||
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Akhee
Brazil811 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:44 Beyonder wrote: Yes but my whole point is that stuff becomes increasingly impressive when multiple things are happening. A gold player might be able to stutter step, but then he realizes he is on 1 base, has no units to follow it up.. sure, I agree with you, but I bet even koreans are macroing in the same time they are doing this, they just go back to macro after fighting really fast, but WHILE it's impossible edit: well, I mean, at least doing this, in some other battles its totally possible | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:42 zeru wrote: Meta is bad, especially TvP close air, and anything vs Z when its cross pos. Yep. Meta is just a shit map. People got brainwashed into thinking it was good because relative to Steppes and DQ it was. So glad its gone. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
im actually starting to feel bad for protosses just by watching these matches | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:44 Beyonder wrote: Move out --> get dropped --> lose Guess why P stays in the base? T_T He had 3 bases and never made a robo for observers. That's just asking to get dropped. Or storms for when they land... Come on.... You have god damn templar archives just research it already | ||
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:43 Akhee wrote: thats multitask, what WE were seeing was click behind + s, pretty simple, and wolf was like OMG DAT MICRO, that's why i'm saying it's ...really? Theres a difference between just doing stutter step micro and timing it perfectly to maximize dps. Go try qxcs stutter step map and try to get perfect scores if you think its so easy. | ||
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Brainiac
Poland641 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:44 Beyonder wrote: Move out --> get dropped --> lose Guess why P stays in the base? T_T I guess this is what happens when you make 0 stalkers, right? | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:43 Akhee wrote: thats multitask, what WE were seeing was click behind + s, pretty simple Pretty much every micro trick in this game is "pretty simple" on its own. The multitasking requirement is exactly what makes them difficult. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:44 Beyonder wrote: Move out --> get dropped --> lose Guess why P stays in the base? T_T Welllllll that's why when MC goes chargelot/archon, he opens with robo/blink and maintains some degree of map control against drops :p Not too hard to leave a small group behind and have extra gates for warpins. Before you get your third P better be stayin' home or all-ining though. | ||
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Q8_Devil
United Kingdom63 Posts
Move out --> get dropped --> lose Guess why P stays in the base? T_T guess why protoss need to get units that can actually hit air and travel through space (blink). tails made a retarded decision and he should've done a timing attack(and get storms). | ||
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fant0m
964 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:43 Ocedic wrote: So you get to dictate the 'honorable way' an opponent beats you? Sadly a LOT of SC2 players feel that way. Especially Zerg (and by the way I play Z now, I switched races this summer). People like Psy, Destiny, and Idra think that anyone who comes with a push before 15 minutes isn't playing the game "properly." | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:41 Beyonder wrote: Yeah but to do this while macroing, expanding, multi dropping.. Uhm... And even, there he was in perfect timing with the cooldown, that's the hard part. It was like moving and shooting at the same time, didn't waste any shoot, that's the hard part (well with the macro at the same time part :p) | ||
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