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Alright, its truly time to stop whining. Stop caster bashing also. Be warned.
Azuroz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1630 Posts
July 31 2011 00:38 GMT
#6821
kiwi doing some work here, finish him!!
Team NSHoseo <3
Pyskee
Profile Joined April 2011
United States620 Posts
July 31 2011 00:39 GMT
#6822
On July 31 2011 09:32 stlh2opolo wrote:
Incredible story coming out of the Open Bracket: Epgimix, the player who White-Ra DQ'd to yesterday, is playing him now. Before the start of the first game, in the pregame chat, Gimix said to White-Ra, "let's do this the right way."

He then proceeded to throw all his SCVs at White-Ra in the first game, and then in the second game. Obviously, he lost both games. The series is now back even at 2-2 and has essentially been reset.

Incredible manner and sportsmanship from Gimix.

Wow, very very cool. Good to see people like that in the world.
"If you really don't give a shit what brand you chew, chew Stride." - Liquid'Tyler. Gives shoutouts like a boss.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
July 31 2011 00:39 GMT
#6823
On July 31 2011 09:35 flowSthead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 09:33 Mordiford wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:30 flowSthead wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:28 Mordiford wrote:
I feel like MLG definitely needs to take a look at their rules and perhaps consider revising them.

It's absolutely ridiculous to be disqualified and then be at a game disadvantage against the player who you were disqualified against. I always thought the point of tournament rules was to maintain fairness for the players but I don't see how this is fair at all.


Let's say player X wasn't just late, but just completely blew off the game and forfeited that match. Then met up again in the loser's bracket. Why should he get to start off even? How is that more fair?


Because they've still never played before? Why should Player Y get an advantage against Player X even if Player X blew off the first match, he already got an advantage, he moved forward without having to play that player, it's not like you can gain any advantage by forcibly disqualifying yourself from one match, there's no reason to further penalize a player in a second match, it's absolutely unfair.

They've never played why is it unfair that they start off even?


Because they are in the loser's bracket and it is double elimination? Under the principle that the previous winner should have an advantage, which is what extended series promotes, then the previous winner should have an advantage. I would feel the same way if it was not extended series but 2 best of 3s. The guy who forfeited should have to win 2 best of 3s, and the other guy should only have to win 1. He shouldn't have forfeited.


This makes no sense, the previous winner should have an advantage to maintain tournament fairness so that a player can't advance over another player by being 2-3 and advancing regardless(losing the first series 0-2 and winning the next 2-1). That's not the issue here, you're not promoting fairness, it's an arbitrary advantage.

It isn't hard to make a distinction between a disqualification and a win, just give them a bye and keep the scores 0-0, neither of them took games off each other.

Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 31 2011 00:39 GMT
#6824
On July 31 2011 09:38 Triscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 09:35 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:32 stlh2opolo wrote:
Incredible story coming out of the Open Bracket: Epgimix, the player who White-Ra DQ'd to yesterday, is playing him now. Before the start of the first game, in the pregame chat, Gimix said to White-Ra, "let's do this the right way."

He then proceeded to throw all his SCVs at White-Ra in the first game, and then in the second game. Obviously, he lost both games. The series is now back even at 2-2 and has essentially been reset.

Incredible manner and sportsmanship from Gimix.



gonna quote this hero spotted


Wow, I just got tight in my chest. That dude's certainly a hero.

He deserves a small spotlight somewhere on Team Liquid. If no where else, then in this thread.

I salute Gimix, nerdballer of the month.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 31 2011 00:39 GMT
#6825
On July 31 2011 09:37 TooN wrote:
MVP 2-0ed Machine. Upset of the tourney.


EG are now 2-10 in the pools with Idra being the only one to get wins off Sheth and his own teammate Incontrol.

What were they doing in that intensive, progaming environment?
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
July 31 2011 00:39 GMT
#6826
On July 31 2011 09:37 Ladnil wrote:
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On July 31 2011 09:33 Kh0nsu wrote:
Huge props to the guy playing White-Ra

- Gimix said to White-Ra, "let's do this the right way."

He then proceeded to throw all his SCVs at White-Ra in the first game, and then in the second game. Obviously, he lost both games. The series is now back even at 2-2 and has essentially been reset. -

Showing MLG that the extended series after a forfeit is ludicrous and completely defeats the notion of " the player who won the first set deserves to be ahead in a rematch".

It's less about "the player who won the first set deserves to be ahead in a rematch" than it is about preventing situations where you can be eliminated by a person you were actually ahead of in head to head games. If you 2-0 him the first time you meet, then he 2-1s you in the rematch, you beat him overall 3-2 but still got knocked out by him. The rule makes complete sense to me.

No no, I don't think the rule makes sense because the two sets are completely separate from one another. The point is that the player who is ahead (2-0) also lost a set in the winner's bracket. That means that since both players lost a single winner's bracket set, they should be on even footing, but they aren't. The rematch is an entirely separate occurrence that should not be linked to the original one.

Props to Gimix for showing such sportsmanship given the circumstances of the game.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 31 2011 00:39 GMT
#6827
On July 31 2011 09:38 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 09:36 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:35 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:34 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:32 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:31 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:29 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:28 youngminii wrote:
Kiwikaki 0-1 Moonan

Game 2
Kiwikaki @ 2 o'clock
Moonan @ 8 o'clock

3:30
Moonan with the gasless expand. Kiwikaki knows Moonan is gasless and is on one gas himself.

5:30
Kiwikaki takes his own expansion as Moonan finishes. Pokes Moonan's ramp with a Zealot and a Stalker and only sees a bunch of Marines.

7:30
Moonan lands his expansion just as Kiwikaki gets his expansion up. Kiwikaki gets a few free Marine kills with Stalker micro. Kiwikaki making Cannons in his mineral lines?

10:00
Moonan up to Medivac production with Stim finishing. Kiwikaki breaking the rocks at his Gold and starting Charge while +1 Armour finishes. Moonan moving across the map with a pesky MM force.

11:30
Kiwikaki starts a Dark Shrine and Moonan gets on the defensive with 5 Bunkers in total. He also drops Kiwikaki's main and taking out a ton of units as Kiwikaki attacks Moonan's Bunker line.

13:00
A base trade scenario has begun as Kiwikaki's production facilities are unpowered. Moonan loses his natural but keeps everything in his main. Kiwikaki's bases are both ruined.

15:30
So apparently Kiwikaki is way ahead on Probes and just powers up his buildings again. He takes his Gold while Moonan just starts taking his natural. Kiwikaki hanging around the Watchtower with Zealots and Sentries while leaving 5 Stalkers in his base that destroys a 2 Medivac drop.

17:30
With Blink finished, Kiwikaki bounces around Moonan's front but decides to back off. Still 2 base against 2 base (Kiwikaki has no Nexus in his main) and Moonan is still trying to drop. Kiwikaki making Archons.
lalala
BookII
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia400 Posts
July 31 2011 00:39 GMT
#6828
I feel like the EG players aren't practising as much as other teams are.

This is just a completely unfounded accusation, but they aren't doing so well, so I'm wondering.
BaLoO-
Profile Joined January 2011
France318 Posts
July 31 2011 00:40 GMT
#6829
On July 31 2011 09:37 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 09:37 BaLoO- wrote:
ToD kicked Optikzero out.

Tod showing off his skills. I really hope he goes far =] and that he goes to Korea!


He will. For the WCG at least, and i wonder if he didn't told he was planning to stay there for a while in the interview he gave yesterday (sry i'm not sure, pretty tired right now ^^).
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
July 31 2011 00:40 GMT
#6830
MrBitter apparently ''expect to see gateway stuff'' from a protoss player.
Dat insight!
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
July 31 2011 00:41 GMT
#6831
On July 31 2011 09:37 nvs. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 09:35 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:32 stlh2opolo wrote:
Incredible story coming out of the Open Bracket: Epgimix, the player who White-Ra DQ'd to yesterday, is playing him now. Before the start of the first game, in the pregame chat, Gimix said to White-Ra, "let's do this the right way."

He then proceeded to throw all his SCVs at White-Ra in the first game, and then in the second game. Obviously, he lost both games. The series is now back even at 2-2 and has essentially been reset.

Incredible manner and sportsmanship from Gimix.



gonna quote this hero spotted


What, that's so classy!

Much respect.


I'm so happy I refreshed the LR thread in time to catch that. Amazing sportsmanship.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 31 2011 00:41 GMT
#6832
On July 31 2011 09:39 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 09:38 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:36 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:35 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:34 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:32 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:31 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:29 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:28 youngminii wrote:
Kiwikaki 0-1 Moonan

Game 2
Kiwikaki @ 2 o'clock
Moonan @ 8 o'clock

3:30
Moonan with the gasless expand. Kiwikaki knows Moonan is gasless and is on one gas himself.

5:30
Kiwikaki takes his own expansion as Moonan finishes. Pokes Moonan's ramp with a Zealot and a Stalker and only sees a bunch of Marines.

7:30
Moonan lands his expansion just as Kiwikaki gets his expansion up. Kiwikaki gets a few free Marine kills with Stalker micro. Kiwikaki making Cannons in his mineral lines?

10:00
Moonan up to Medivac production with Stim finishing. Kiwikaki breaking the rocks at his Gold and starting Charge while +1 Armour finishes. Moonan moving across the map with a pesky MM force.

11:30
Kiwikaki starts a Dark Shrine and Moonan gets on the defensive with 5 Bunkers in total. He also drops Kiwikaki's main and taking out a ton of units as Kiwikaki attacks Moonan's Bunker line.

13:00
A base trade scenario has begun as Kiwikaki's production facilities are unpowered. Moonan loses his natural but keeps everything in his main. Kiwikaki's bases are both ruined.

15:30
So apparently Kiwikaki is way ahead on Probes and just powers up his buildings again. He takes his Gold while Moonan just starts taking his natural. Kiwikaki hanging around the Watchtower with Zealots and Sentries while leaving 5 Stalkers in his base that destroys a 2 Medivac drop.

17:30
With Blink finished, Kiwikaki bounces around Moonan's front but decides to back off. Still 2 base against 2 base (Kiwikaki has no Nexus in his main) and Moonan is still trying to drop. Kiwikaki making Archons.

19:30
Moonan trying to drop Kiwikaki's Gold but his Blink Stalkers are too mobile for it. As he moves towards Moonan's front, Moonan send his army around and takes out the Gold AND all the Probes in seconds. Kiwikaki comes in and crushes the entire army though.
lalala
anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
July 31 2011 00:41 GMT
#6833
Kiwikaki could totally just A-move in and win right now. Yikes
gold on my wrist phone in my pocket
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 31 2011 00:41 GMT
#6834
Moonan GGs
all tied up 1-1
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 31 2011 00:41 GMT
#6835
That blink didn't just kill the medivacs, it let the zealots hit the bio unobstructed. Pro move Kiwi.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 31 2011 00:41 GMT
#6836
On July 31 2011 09:39 BookII wrote:
I feel like the EG players aren't practising as much as other teams are.

This is just a completely unfounded accusation, but they aren't doing so well, so I'm wondering.

Liquid was doing bad for a while as well. Give them time and they will bounce back.
I had a good night of sleep.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 31 2011 00:41 GMT
#6837
On July 31 2011 09:41 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 09:39 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:38 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:36 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:35 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:34 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:32 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:31 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:29 youngminii wrote:
On July 31 2011 09:28 youngminii wrote:
Kiwikaki 0-1 Moonan

Game 2
Kiwikaki @ 2 o'clock
Moonan @ 8 o'clock

3:30
Moonan with the gasless expand. Kiwikaki knows Moonan is gasless and is on one gas himself.

5:30
Kiwikaki takes his own expansion as Moonan finishes. Pokes Moonan's ramp with a Zealot and a Stalker and only sees a bunch of Marines.

7:30
Moonan lands his expansion just as Kiwikaki gets his expansion up. Kiwikaki gets a few free Marine kills with Stalker micro. Kiwikaki making Cannons in his mineral lines?

10:00
Moonan up to Medivac production with Stim finishing. Kiwikaki breaking the rocks at his Gold and starting Charge while +1 Armour finishes. Moonan moving across the map with a pesky MM force.

11:30
Kiwikaki starts a Dark Shrine and Moonan gets on the defensive with 5 Bunkers in total. He also drops Kiwikaki's main and taking out a ton of units as Kiwikaki attacks Moonan's Bunker line.

13:00
A base trade scenario has begun as Kiwikaki's production facilities are unpowered. Moonan loses his natural but keeps everything in his main. Kiwikaki's bases are both ruined.

15:30
So apparently Kiwikaki is way ahead on Probes and just powers up his buildings again. He takes his Gold while Moonan just starts taking his natural. Kiwikaki hanging around the Watchtower with Zealots and Sentries while leaving 5 Stalkers in his base that destroys a 2 Medivac drop.

17:30
With Blink finished, Kiwikaki bounces around Moonan's front but decides to back off. Still 2 base against 2 base (Kiwikaki has no Nexus in his main) and Moonan is still trying to drop. Kiwikaki making Archons.

19:30
Moonan trying to drop Kiwikaki's Gold but his Blink Stalkers are too mobile for it. As he moves towards Moonan's front, Moonan send his army around and takes out the Gold AND all the Probes in seconds. Kiwikaki comes in and crushes the entire army though.

20:30
Kiwikaki just a-moves into Moonan's front while retaking his Gold and another base. Moonan gg's.
lalala
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 31 2011 00:42 GMT
#6838
GG! Gogo Kiwikaki!
SkullZ9
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium2048 Posts
July 31 2011 00:42 GMT
#6839
Husky and MrBitter is a very good duo
Cubeface
Profile Joined April 2011
965 Posts
July 31 2011 00:42 GMT
#6840
That was very impressive, good comeback KiWiKaKi :D
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