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On July 10 2011 13:19 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:16 ZergBonjwa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:12 Medrea wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 deadjawa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Category III: Languages which are quite difficult for native English speakers88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)Arabic Cantonese Japanese KoreanMandarin Mongolian Taiwanese (Hokkien Min Nan) Wu You know Ive seen this elsewhere but I know Japanese is not very hard to learn. The entire language rests on what? 43 syllables was it? English alphabet alone is 26. Im told once all 43 syllables are learned its just a memory game. Writing it though? Forget it, Asian literacy for there own languages is terrible so I have no chance on earth. yea and about 2000 modern kanji GL. Fuck Kanji. That's written form. Not even the natives use Kanji outside of fairly formal writing. The literacy rates of Kanji is awful and if you watch any anime they poke fun at how not understandable it is all the time. I dont know outside of Japan but inside of it Hirigana and Katakana I think are like the only two written forms that are particularly used. Furigana is a new form which I think is Kanji with those small Hirigana characters describing the ambiguities between the Kanji. I should prob double check on wiki though. Thank god we live in this time.
Yea it's true but when you are learning in school and university you must learn the kanji. Also to read newspaper and stuff. Japanese is actually quite easy though, maybe 2 years of studying and you can go to Japan and be 90% fluent.
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On July 10 2011 13:20 TooN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:12 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:12 puzzl wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Spoken like someone who has zero knowledge of linguistics. I speak Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, English and some German. You're an idiot. I believe you because I believe anything that anyone ever says, always.
What makes you think I give the slightest care as to what you believe?
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On July 10 2011 13:22 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:17 Loki57 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Idra consistent? Is that a joke? Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player. I'm going to try to stay away from fanboy-wars as possible, but winning the first MLG and then doing literally nothing until HSC3 and Dreamhack isn't particularly consistent. IdrA was in code S his entire time in Korea including during the open tournaments which you could argue were much more volatile and continued to place high/win events like MLG, IPL, etc. To say HuK has been more consistent is plain silly. Except his wins DH and beyond are after he went to Korea and trained, whereas after Idra left Korea his results were mediocre. Are you gonna point out that he won King of the Beta tournament as well? And ultimately, even if he were the best player (no,) it's clear that his attitude problem makes him volatile and prone to leave games at the slightest provocation. That in itself makes him inconsistent.
He was the second best zerg in the hardest MLG ever after leaving korea and went undefeated in by far the hardest group...it's not about leaving korea, it's about him practicing at a certain level. He didn't just become worse stepping onto American soil.
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On July 10 2011 13:20 Sideburn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:12 Medrea wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 deadjawa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Category III: Languages which are quite difficult for native English speakers88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)Arabic Cantonese Japanese KoreanMandarin Mongolian Taiwanese (Hokkien Min Nan) Wu You know Ive seen this elsewhere but I know Japanese is not very hard to learn. The entire language rests on what? 43 syllables was it? English alphabet alone is 26. Im told once all 43 syllables are learned its just a memory game. Writing it though? Forget it, Asian literacy for there own languages is terrible so I have no chance on earth. Jesus. It has nothing to do with knowing syllables or memorizing vocabulary but everything with how the language is constructed in an entirely different manner from western languages. Grammar is entirely different.
You can chop shop the grammar, theyll get it. Same thing happens going to english remember?
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On July 10 2011 13:23 BryanSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:21 Cryhavoc wrote:On July 10 2011 13:19 KimJongChill wrote:On July 10 2011 13:18 Cryhavoc wrote:On July 10 2011 13:18 openbox1 wrote:
well at least the final isn't a pvp or tvt. Thank god for that. or zvz It will never be ZvZ. Zergs aren't consistent enough yet to have two get that far in one tournament. Zerg isn't supposed to beat Protoss right I don't know let me call up Gregory.
What the fuck is Gregory
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As per note: You do realize there are tournaments not hosted or broadcasted in america. I also believe idra was code-S since season 2, and won IPL. sooooo
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On July 10 2011 13:20 Utinni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:14 oriox wrote:On July 10 2011 13:12 Sc2Null wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Crisco wrote:On July 10 2011 13:07 Utinni wrote:
Why do people say Huk is Korean. He is a foreigner who trains with Koreans... What is not to understand. If you are in the same environment you will adapt. He trains as hard as they do... that is why he can compete. foreigners are people who train outside of korea. and "Koreans" are people who train in Korea. Therefore, select is a "foreigner" and Huk is a "korean" Koreans are people who are born in Korea..sorry to burst your flawed logic lol. it's quite obvious he is referring to a term "Korean" as used in Starcraft to associate skill and experience levels, not national origin. The term is silly. You can say he is Korean trained... It still doesn't change the fact he is a foreigner. Like someone was saying earlier. You have soccer players playing in different countries... are they spanish since they play in barcelona? No they are a foreigner to that country no matter what. Calling them a term they are not does not make it so. Huk is American/Canadian starcraft 2 player training in Korea.
Well, the only distinction between the Koreans and the foreigners is the way they approach competition. So it's perfectly sensible to say HuK is "Korean" in his approach and Canadian-American in his nationality since they are two separate things.
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Did not follow the thread completely, how did it become a language thread?
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On July 10 2011 13:22 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:20 beat farm wrote:
huk is the best foreigner.
when you look at his gsl preformance yeah he hasent done well but look who he played.
he lost in code A in the ro8 to losira who went on to win it and has really good ZvP
he lost wc to MVP who went on to win it, lost 2-1 btw.
he lost to inca and july in may gsl. inca has one of the best PvP in the world, and losing to july is respectable.
he lost to polt in the super tournament who went on to win it.
plus he won dream hack. Yeah I agree. And now HuK is up against the ropes with MC. I sorta wish one of these seasons HuK could be carried to the top by facing legacy code Sers on the way off the map like we see sometimes.
Well last time they played (Homestory cup?) Huk won over MC iiirc. I am pretty sad that MC and huk will face of in ro16 though since they are probably my 2 favorite players (at least in GSL) So would like to see both of them go further : (
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On July 10 2011 13:17 Callosum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:16 ZergBonjwa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:12 Medrea wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 deadjawa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Category III: Languages which are quite difficult for native English speakers88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)Arabic Cantonese Japanese KoreanMandarin Mongolian Taiwanese (Hokkien Min Nan) Wu You know Ive seen this elsewhere but I know Japanese is not very hard to learn. The entire language rests on what? 43 syllables was it? English alphabet alone is 26. Im told once all 43 syllables are learned its just a memory game. Writing it though? Forget it, Asian literacy for there own languages is terrible so I have no chance on earth. yea and about 2000 modern kanji GL. Heh, Kanji aren't so bad if you keep gan-ba-re'ing.
When you look at the three major East-Asian languages: Korean, Japanese, and Chinese, Korean is actually the easiest to pick-up. Japanese is based on a three-alphabet system (their kids have to go through an extra year at the kindergarten/elementary level to pick up the basics). In order to even go through basic sentence construction in Chinese, you have to memorize at least a few hundred ideograms because there isn't a phonetic alphabet system.
Modern Korean is actually a relatively new language (introduced circa 15th century) and was developed with ease of learning in mind.
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On July 10 2011 13:13 Turbo.Tactics wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:10 flowSthead wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.- dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran. korean terrans are just scary as shit in general. Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace... So Losira at MLG doesn't count for anything? Or the fact that MC is actually really good and the majority of the 16 spots were Zergs? Makes it even worst tbh. The Zergs that know lategame compositions get cheesed early, the ones that know macro style multiple harrass midgame antics get to lategame and throw it away. It's just frustrating to watch and read about how great MC plays... I am not saying he is getting free wins...all I'm saying is he shouldn't win 3 v 5 base against any Zerg that knows how to play lategame Zerg.
Your understanding of the game is shallow. 3v5 bases does not and should not equal auto win for any zerg. The last game Sen lost because MC's control was much better and his DT harass was brilliant. The game before that sen made like 12+ broodlords and no anti air.
Sen probably would have beat any other protoss in those late game situations, but he's playing against MC, the best player in the world right now
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In game 4 though Sen outplayed MC so much it was not even funny. He had MC contained so much he was going to have a hard time keeping his 4th let alone trying to take a 5th, Sen was on 7 bases and could of easily gone up to 8 or 9. Mc was getting mined out and had to make a push and it would of failed had sen not had 15+ broods and lost them. So not only is that a coupe thousand gas and min lost but now MC breaks out to take a 5th with a strong army.
If Sen had not made not made that second batch of 7 or 9 broods and keep them as corrupters or made almost anything else there was no way MC was going to win that battle. Once you have about 7 broods you dont need anymore
Big props to MC though, to pull out a win in game 4 by breaking into the one week point that sen had in that game was just amazing game sense.
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On July 10 2011 13:20 Utinni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:14 oriox wrote:On July 10 2011 13:12 Sc2Null wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Crisco wrote:On July 10 2011 13:07 Utinni wrote:
Why do people say Huk is Korean. He is a foreigner who trains with Koreans... What is not to understand. If you are in the same environment you will adapt. He trains as hard as they do... that is why he can compete. foreigners are people who train outside of korea. and "Koreans" are people who train in Korea. Therefore, select is a "foreigner" and Huk is a "korean" Koreans are people who are born in Korea..sorry to burst your flawed logic lol. it's quite obvious he is referring to a term "Korean" as used in Starcraft to associate skill and experience levels, not national origin. The term is silly. You can say he is Korean trained... It still doesn't change the fact he is a foreigner. Like someone was saying earlier. You have soccer players playing in different countries... are they spanish since they play in barcelona? No they are a foreigner to that country no matter what. Calling them a term they are not does not make it so. Huk is American/Canadian starcraft 2 player training in Korea.
For the last time. IT'S A STARCRAFT TERM. (Sorry for the caps lock)
There are other terms you could say the same thing about. Cheese for instance.
"Derp derp derp cheese is what you eat. What do they mean they "cheese" someone?
Bah it doesn't matter that it means something else in this game, it's still a dairy product."
It's not unimaginably complicated.
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On July 10 2011 13:24 Cryhavoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:23 BryanSC wrote:On July 10 2011 13:21 Cryhavoc wrote:On July 10 2011 13:19 KimJongChill wrote:On July 10 2011 13:18 Cryhavoc wrote:On July 10 2011 13:18 openbox1 wrote:
well at least the final isn't a pvp or tvt. Thank god for that. or zvz It will never be ZvZ. Zergs aren't consistent enough yet to have two get that far in one tournament. Zerg isn't supposed to beat Protoss right I don't know let me call up Gregory. What the fuck is Gregory
That is Idras first name
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On July 10 2011 13:24 Cryhavoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:23 BryanSC wrote:On July 10 2011 13:21 Cryhavoc wrote:On July 10 2011 13:19 KimJongChill wrote:On July 10 2011 13:18 Cryhavoc wrote:On July 10 2011 13:18 openbox1 wrote:
well at least the final isn't a pvp or tvt. Thank god for that. or zvz It will never be ZvZ. Zergs aren't consistent enough yet to have two get that far in one tournament. Zerg isn't supposed to beat Protoss right I don't know let me call up Gregory. What the fuck is Gregory
Idra xD
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10 Protoss Canada HuK Liquid $30,799.00
20 Zerg USA IdrA EG $20,801.00
At the end of the day, HuK laughs all the way to the bank 
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On July 10 2011 13:20 Utinni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:14 oriox wrote:On July 10 2011 13:12 Sc2Null wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Crisco wrote:On July 10 2011 13:07 Utinni wrote:
Why do people say Huk is Korean. He is a foreigner who trains with Koreans... What is not to understand. If you are in the same environment you will adapt. He trains as hard as they do... that is why he can compete. foreigners are people who train outside of korea. and "Koreans" are people who train in Korea. Therefore, select is a "foreigner" and Huk is a "korean" Koreans are people who are born in Korea..sorry to burst your flawed logic lol. it's quite obvious he is referring to a term "Korean" as used in Starcraft to associate skill and experience levels, not national origin. The term is silly. You can say he is Korean trained... It still doesn't change the fact he is a foreigner. Like someone was saying earlier. You have soccer players playing in different countries... are they spanish since they play in barcelona? No they are a foreigner to that country no matter what. Calling them a term they are not does not make it so. Huk is American/Canadian starcraft 2 player training in Korea.
yes, but this isn't soccer. this is starcraft. and in starcraft, when you say korea, it has generally been implied that you're talking about those who practiced under the korean infrastructure. Plus, it is insulting to say select is represents the "korean" scene. If he won NASL or MLG, it would be a win for the foreigners, NOT korea.
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On July 10 2011 13:22 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:17 Loki57 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Idra consistent? Is that a joke? Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player. I'm going to try to stay away from fanboy-wars as possible, but winning the first MLG and then doing literally nothing until HSC3 and Dreamhack isn't particularly consistent. IdrA was in code S his entire time in Korea including during the open tournaments which you could argue were much more volatile and continued to place high/win events like MLG, IPL, etc. To say HuK has been more consistent is plain silly. Except his wins DH and beyond are after he went to Korea and trained
That's what im saying bud <_< he didn't do anything until just recently which is by definition not consistent.
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On July 10 2011 13:23 ZergBonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:19 Medrea wrote:On July 10 2011 13:16 ZergBonjwa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:12 Medrea wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 deadjawa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Category III: Languages which are quite difficult for native English speakers88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)Arabic Cantonese Japanese KoreanMandarin Mongolian Taiwanese (Hokkien Min Nan) Wu You know Ive seen this elsewhere but I know Japanese is not very hard to learn. The entire language rests on what? 43 syllables was it? English alphabet alone is 26. Im told once all 43 syllables are learned its just a memory game. Writing it though? Forget it, Asian literacy for there own languages is terrible so I have no chance on earth. yea and about 2000 modern kanji GL. Fuck Kanji. That's written form. Not even the natives use Kanji outside of fairly formal writing. The literacy rates of Kanji is awful and if you watch any anime they poke fun at how not understandable it is all the time. I dont know outside of Japan but inside of it Hirigana and Katakana I think are like the only two written forms that are particularly used. Furigana is a new form which I think is Kanji with those small Hirigana characters describing the ambiguities between the Kanji. I should prob double check on wiki though. Thank god we live in this time. Yea it's true but when you are learning in school and university you must learn the kanji. Also to read newspaper and stuff. Japanese is actually quite easy though, maybe 2 years of studying and you can go to Japan and be 90% fluent.
I actually find kanji helpful because Japanese writing doesn't utilizes space so I have to sound out what I read of an all-kana sentence in order to make sense of it whereas with kanji you can instantly pick out the nouns.
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