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On July 10 2011 13:12 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:10 deadjawa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Category III: Languages which are quite difficult for native English speakers88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)Arabic Cantonese Japanese KoreanMandarin Mongolian Taiwanese (Hokkien Min Nan) Wu You know Ive seen this elsewhere but I know Japanese is not very hard to learn. The entire language rests on what? 43 syllables was it? English alphabet alone is 26. Im told once all 43 syllables are learned its just a memory game. Writing it though? Forget it, Asian literacy for there own languages is terrible so I have no chance on earth.
Jesus. It has nothing to do with knowing syllables or memorizing vocabulary but everything with how the language is constructed in an entirely different manner from western languages. Grammar is entirely different.
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On July 10 2011 13:19 Atasu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:17 Loki57 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Idra consistent? Is that a joke? Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player. I'm going to try to stay away from fanboy-wars as possible, but winning the first MLG and then doing literally nothing until HSC3 and Dreamhack isn't particularly consistent. IdrA was in code S his entire time in Korea including during the open tournaments which you could argue were much more volatile and continued to place high/win events like MLG, IPL, etc. To say HuK has been more consistent is plain silly. So your point is IdrA is consistent...ly mediocore?
You can hardly consider being the top foreigner at MLG, losing DHS to MC, and getting to the semis of the winner's bracket at HSC mediocre.
I mean, I'm not arguing either way, but to say IdrA is mediocre is silly.
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Hmm.. so many topics going on in this LR THREAD.
It might be time to move it to the General Forum.
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On July 10 2011 13:19 Turbo.Tactics wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:16 Dommk wrote:On July 10 2011 13:13 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 flowSthead wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.- dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran. korean terrans are just scary as shit in general. Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace... So Losira at MLG doesn't count for anything? Or the fact that MC is actually really good and the majority of the 16 spots were Zergs? Makes it even worst tbh. The Zergs that know lategame compositions get cheesed early, the ones that know macro style multiple harrass midgame antics get to lategame and throw it away. It's just frustrating to watch and read about how great MC plays... I am not saying he is getting free wins...all I'm saying is he shouldn't win 3 v 5 base against any Zerg that knows how to play lategame Zerg. God, you are arrogant. He is the _best_ Protoss int he world right now. It is ridiculous that you are stipulating that Zerg should just get an auto win because they manage to get 5bases. And you are a fanboy if you say MC should've won it because he is the best Tosser. He was behind tremendously and got a freewin because Sen didn't care about his armycomp. It was his game to lose and he did.
Game 4 - Sen gave that game away.
Game 5 - MC outplayed Sen.
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On July 10 2011 13:19 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:18 Cryhavoc wrote:On July 10 2011 13:18 openbox1 wrote:
well at least the final isn't a pvp or tvt. Thank god for that. or zvz It will never be ZvZ. Zergs aren't consistent enough yet to have two get that far in one tournament.
Zerg isn't supposed to beat Protoss right
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On July 10 2011 13:13 Crisco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. The entire grammar structure is different and that takes getting used to. If you were to say "I ate Dinner" in Korean, it is structured "I the dinner ate."
I think mandarin is the easiest to learn by far. For the other languages, It's not that hard to be able to learn enough for everyday conversation but being proficient is tough. Chinese is like the latin of East Asian languages so knowing chinese would help.
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On July 10 2011 13:19 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:16 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:15 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Really? How so? Because results over a long period of time is what separates you in starcraft....it's a marathon not a sprint. It's more like tennis or golf because there's so many events and few players can win consistently. He just isn't in as many as those guys. Thorzain won TSL but hasn't made much noise in anything else. What the hell has Dimaga done lately? Idra hasn't been tearing it up much either. He's posted decent results, but DH and HSC3 weren't too good. Sen does always do well, but so does Huk. Naniwa seems more consistent because he is in more events, but I don't think he is better than Huk considering Huk just won two tournaments Naniwa was in. Huk just won two rather large tournaments. Thats more than what those guys can say. Huk just doesn't play in as many as them so he seems like he isn't as consistent. If you dont play in more and he's only now won games in code S how are people supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt before he started winning? But we are talking about Code S. Something none of those guys are in. One game in code S is harder than the finals in MLG before Koreans were invited. And he did fight his way up from Code A too. Thats not easy. He did decent at assembly, decent at MLG Dallas, was advancing up in GSL and then won DH, HSC3 and now in round of 16 in Code S. He has done far more than Dimaga/Idra/Naniwa/Thorzain/Sen this year.
But it's not, because you're using code S an excuse to not even evaluate how good the players are, just that they're in it and that's good enough. Some people have easy paths, others not. It's not black and white, just like it's not fair to say MLG never had competitive high level matches before Koreans came over. Huk is also the one that had to be seeded into code A in the first place.
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Is it over? just got home. why don't they update teh NASL page? Pathetic!
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Man MC has had the best series and interviews, really made this tournament for me. GOGO obamatoss use your hukprism to carry pumas's head as a trophy!!
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On July 10 2011 13:19 Turbo.Tactics wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:16 Dommk wrote:On July 10 2011 13:13 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 flowSthead wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.- dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran. korean terrans are just scary as shit in general. Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace... So Losira at MLG doesn't count for anything? Or the fact that MC is actually really good and the majority of the 16 spots were Zergs? Makes it even worst tbh. The Zergs that know lategame compositions get cheesed early, the ones that know macro style multiple harrass midgame antics get to lategame and throw it away. It's just frustrating to watch and read about how great MC plays... I am not saying he is getting free wins...all I'm saying is he shouldn't win 3 v 5 base against any Zerg that knows how to play lategame Zerg. God, you are arrogant. He is the _best_ Protoss int he world right now. It is ridiculous that you are stipulating that Zerg should just get an auto win because they manage to get 5bases. And you are a fanboy if you say MC should've won it because he is the best Tosser. He was behind tremendously and got a freewin because Sen didn't care about his armycomp. It was his game to lose and he did.
I'm not saying he should have won, but I'm saying it is the reason WHY he won. The fact is, the games were so ridiculously close and the Zerg wasn't even on the caliber of NesTea or DRG. In reality it looks the opposite of what you are saying, if Sen can almost beat (and really should have) MC then the best Zergs shouldn't even be having trouble
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On July 10 2011 13:20 Indrium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:19 Atasu wrote:On July 10 2011 13:17 Loki57 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Idra consistent? Is that a joke? Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player. I'm going to try to stay away from fanboy-wars as possible, but winning the first MLG and then doing literally nothing until HSC3 and Dreamhack isn't particularly consistent. IdrA was in code S his entire time in Korea including during the open tournaments which you could argue were much more volatile and continued to place high/win events like MLG, IPL, etc. To say HuK has been more consistent is plain silly. So your point is IdrA is consistent...ly mediocore? You can hardly consider being the top foreigner at MLG, losing DHS to MC, and getting to the semis of the winner's bracket at HSC mediocre. I mean, I'm not arguing either way, but to say IdrA is mediocre is silly.
Ignore Ocedic.
He starts most of the idra topics by hating, then calls anyone who disagrees with him a fanboy, etc
He has done it for weeks.
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On July 10 2011 13:17 Loki57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Idra consistent? Is that a joke? Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player. I'm going to try to stay away from fanboy-wars as possible, but winning the first MLG and then doing literally nothing until HSC3 and Dreamhack isn't particularly consistent. IdrA was in code S his entire time in Korea including during the open tournaments which you could argue were much more volatile and continued to place high/win events like MLG, IPL, etc. To say HuK has been more consistent is plain silly.
Except his wins DH and beyond are after he went to Korea and trained, whereas after Idra left Korea his results were mediocre. Are you gonna point out that he won King of the Beta tournament as well? And ultimately, even if he were the best player (no,) it's clear that his attitude problem makes him volatile and prone to leave games at the slightest provocation. That in itself makes him inconsistent.
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On July 10 2011 13:20 beat farm wrote:
huk is the best foreigner.
when you look at his gsl preformance yeah he hasent done well but look who he played.
he lost in code A in the ro8 to losira who went on to win it and has really good ZvP
he lost wc to MVP who went on to win it, lost 2-1 btw.
he lost to inca and july in may gsl. inca has one of the best PvP in the world, and losing to july is respectable.
he lost to polt in the super tournament who went on to win it.
plus he won dream hack.
Yeah I agree. And now HuK is up against the ropes with MC.
I sorta wish one of these seasons HuK could be carried to the top by facing legacy code Sers on the way off the map like we see sometimes.
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On July 10 2011 13:21 AsianEcksDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:13 Crisco wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. The entire grammar structure is different and that takes getting used to. If you were to say "I ate Dinner" in Korean, it is structured "I the dinner ate." I think mandarin is the easiest to learn by far. For the other languages, It's not that hard to be able to learn enough for everyday conversation but being proficient is tough. Chinese is like the latin of East Asian languages so knowing chinese would help.
lol no chinese I think is the hardest language to learn in entire world.
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On July 10 2011 13:22 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:20 Indrium wrote:On July 10 2011 13:19 Atasu wrote:On July 10 2011 13:17 Loki57 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Idra consistent? Is that a joke? Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player. I'm going to try to stay away from fanboy-wars as possible, but winning the first MLG and then doing literally nothing until HSC3 and Dreamhack isn't particularly consistent. IdrA was in code S his entire time in Korea including during the open tournaments which you could argue were much more volatile and continued to place high/win events like MLG, IPL, etc. To say HuK has been more consistent is plain silly. So your point is IdrA is consistent...ly mediocore? You can hardly consider being the top foreigner at MLG, losing DHS to MC, and getting to the semis of the winner's bracket at HSC mediocre. I mean, I'm not arguing either way, but to say IdrA is mediocre is silly. Ignore Ocedic. He starts most of the idra topics by hating, then calls anyone who disagrees with him a fanboy, etc He has done it for weeks.
Thanks for the tip. ^^
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On July 10 2011 13:19 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:15 Crisco wrote:On July 10 2011 13:12 Sc2Null wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Crisco wrote:On July 10 2011 13:07 Utinni wrote:
Why do people say Huk is Korean. He is a foreigner who trains with Koreans... What is not to understand. If you are in the same environment you will adapt. He trains as hard as they do... that is why he can compete. foreigners are people who train outside of korea. and "Koreans" are people who train in Korea. Therefore, select is a "foreigner" and Huk is a "korean" Koreans are people who are born in Korea..sorry to burst your flawed logic lol. Well, then it is a no-brainer for foreigners to do well. Al lthey have to do, is go to Korea. In that case, there is no Korea vs World logic, cause all you ahve to do is go to Korea and train to be top tier. Finally he gets it -.-' Practising in a Korean prohouse is a HUGE advantage. Compare to say, Dimaga, who's sitting at hime, not really feeling to play and does something else. In the practise house the same thing is happening to HuK, but then MC walks up to him and tells him to play some games with him. Plus they have laid out schedules pretty much. Atleast for the actual team members I'm pretty sure. The thing is that it's a huge investment going there, and you'll be missing alot of tournaments in Eu and NA while being there, so on the short term it's bad. You will become a beast if you stay a while though. Compare the Korean and foreigner BW scene. It wasn't even close.
and that's exaclty what people mean when they say he's Korean... I thought this was obvious. It never was that his ethnicity is Korean, but if you're saying he represents the foreign scene.. I'm a bit hesistant to say Huk represents the foreign scene. That's what people mean by the "Korean". No idiot is actually saying he's ACTUALLY korean, lol. Idra still is considered more representiative of the Korean scene than the foreign. Though time is passing, and his playstyle will be more representative of the foreign scene
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On July 10 2011 13:18 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:17 Loki57 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Idra consistent? Is that a joke? Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player. I'm going to try to stay away from fanboy-wars as possible, but winning the first MLG and then doing literally nothing until HSC3 and Dreamhack isn't particularly consistent. IdrA was in code S his entire time in Korea including during the open tournaments which you could argue were much more volatile and continued to place high/win events like MLG, IPL, etc. To say HuK has been more consistent is plain silly. By doing fantastic in code-S you mean getting out of the group stages for the first time? ..in 8 seasons
His second. The first he had the misfortune of getting smashed by PvP god Inca(who attended the finals, by the way.)
Huk went on to beat MMA convincingly to retain his spot, and then dominated his group in his next season.
What do you want from him exactly? A GSL win? That'd be awesome, but hardly necessary to elevate himself over other foreigners, who mostly could not compete in the GSL.
There are a few who could, of course, but they need to step up and prove it before you can say they're above Huk
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On July 10 2011 13:19 Turbo.Tactics wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:16 Dommk wrote:On July 10 2011 13:13 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 flowSthead wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.- dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran. korean terrans are just scary as shit in general. Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace... So Losira at MLG doesn't count for anything? Or the fact that MC is actually really good and the majority of the 16 spots were Zergs? Makes it even worst tbh. The Zergs that know lategame compositions get cheesed early, the ones that know macro style multiple harrass midgame antics get to lategame and throw it away. It's just frustrating to watch and read about how great MC plays... I am not saying he is getting free wins...all I'm saying is he shouldn't win 3 v 5 base against any Zerg that knows how to play lategame Zerg. God, you are arrogant. He is the _best_ Protoss int he world right now. It is ridiculous that you are stipulating that Zerg should just get an auto win because they manage to get 5bases. And you are a fanboy if you say MC should've won it because he is the best Tosser. He was behind tremendously and got a freewin because Sen didn't care about his armycomp. It was his game to lose and he did.
So you don't give MC any credit to MC for making the proper tech switch? Come on man. MC is the best Toss and possibly the best player in all of the world.
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On July 10 2011 13:19 BryanSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:18 Cryhavoc wrote:On July 10 2011 13:18 openbox1 wrote:
well at least the final isn't a pvp or tvt. Thank god for that. or zvz or RvR
Or GvG
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On July 10 2011 13:21 Cryhavoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:19 KimJongChill wrote:On July 10 2011 13:18 Cryhavoc wrote:On July 10 2011 13:18 openbox1 wrote:
well at least the final isn't a pvp or tvt. Thank god for that. or zvz It will never be ZvZ. Zergs aren't consistent enough yet to have two get that far in one tournament. Zerg isn't supposed to beat Protoss right
I don't know let me call up Gregory.
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