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On July 10 2011 13:00 TooN wrote:
Anna needs to stop asking dumb questions. Why ask why the koreans are better. Ask about the fucking series. Sry... but I am annoyed from it.
Actually i thought her questions were pretty good. They made for a good interview with MC speaking english.
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On July 10 2011 13:14 akalarry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:12 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:12 puzzl wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Spoken like someone who has zero knowledge of linguistics. I speak Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, English and some German. You're an idiot. then you're biased if you don't understand objective linguistics. you might have learned an asian language at a young age so it was easier. even if you didn't and english was your native language until well into your adolescence, you should understand that asian languages are much harder if you're an english speaker. also chinese isn't a language, what language were you trying to say?
Mandarin, way to pick at semantics though. And no I did not grow up speaking Mandarin, I picked it up. Learning languages is completely about practice. The 'grammar structure' might be difficult for some idiot sitting at home reading a book, but it comes naturally if you expose yourself to the language by speaking with actual people or visiting the country.
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On July 10 2011 13:12 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.- dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran. korean terrans are just scary as shit in general. Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace... You have the best Protoss in the world arguable facing a good Zerg but who isn't the same skill level as him, but MC still had some tough games and should have lost if Sen didn't make so many Broods, yet you passively cry about balance? Imagine if that was NesTea or DRG playing, MC would have got rolled. ZvP feels like its favored towards Zerg, the best Toss right now shouldn't be sweating it against anyone other than the best Zergs really
Don't be silly. Sen is one of the best Zergs out there and had it in him to take games off MC in a solid manner. Perhaps not on the same skill level as MC but I don't dare to compare their skilllvl based on the requirements of Zergs vs Tossers in general.
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Consistency, linguistics, and how people view the term "korean" will dominate the next 50 pages of this thread.
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On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Idra consistent? Is that a joke? Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player.
I'm going to try to stay as far away from fanboy-wars as possible, but winning the first MLG and then doing literally nothing until HSC3 and Dreamhack isn't particularly consistent. IdrA was in code S his entire time in Korea including during the open tournaments which you could argue were much more volatile and continued to place high/win events like MLG, IPL, etc. To say HuK has been more consistent is plain silly.
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On July 10 2011 13:12 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.- dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran. korean terrans are just scary as shit in general. Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace... Imagine if that was NesTea or DRG playing, MC would have got rolled.
why the fuck do you guys put "DRG" and NesTea in one sentence?
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On July 10 2011 13:15 Ezekyle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 12:56 slicknav wrote:
wow...so a Korean guaranteed to win it all! Was that ever in doubt?
When Sen was up 2-1, yes
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NASL should host a swim with MC and White-Ra event
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On July 10 2011 13:14 akalarry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:12 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:12 puzzl wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Spoken like someone who has zero knowledge of linguistics. I speak Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, English and some German. You're an idiot. then you're biased if you don't understand objective linguistics. you might have learned an asian language at a young age so it was easier. even if you didn't and english was your native language until well into your adolescence, you should understand that asian languages are much harder if you're an english speaker. also chinese isn't a language, what language were you trying to say?
You dumb nut, Chinese is a language. It's universally accepted to mean the same thing as Mandarin.
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On July 10 2011 13:14 oriox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:12 Sc2Null wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Crisco wrote:On July 10 2011 13:07 Utinni wrote:
Why do people say Huk is Korean. He is a foreigner who trains with Koreans... What is not to understand. If you are in the same environment you will adapt. He trains as hard as they do... that is why he can compete. foreigners are people who train outside of korea. and "Koreans" are people who train in Korea. Therefore, select is a "foreigner" and Huk is a "korean" Koreans are people who are born in Korea..sorry to burst your flawed logic lol. it's quite obvious he is referring to a term "Korean" as used in Starcraft to associate skill and experience levels, not national origin.
Someone who practices a korean regime of sc2 is considered korean? You do realize anyone in World can adapt the same conditions? I dont' think you subjectively use terms that refer to nationality to suit your argument.
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"Huk is korean because he practices and is as skilled as a korean player".
My reply: Sen is just as good if not better so is sen korean?
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On July 10 2011 13:16 InvalidID wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:14 stork4ever wrote:
Not at all now, HuK just won two very big events. But before that all he had to his name was MLG.
And what to thier names do the other people have??? I'm sorry I'm love Idra and Sen but Huk just won tournaments that featured the very best players in the foreign and arguably the world. He is training with the top players in the world. More importantly due to his skill, he no longer has to carry MC's bags. Lol "all he had to his name was MLG", what about the big fat "Code S". Until another foreigner can prove that they can compete on the GSL Code S level, then Huk will remain, in my eyes at least, the top foreign player. Jinro was for awhile, but he has since sadly fallen off.
If just being good enough for code S means you're the best foreigner...I think you simply overestimate code S by leap and bounds or think huk is superman. I wouldn't take him in a bo7 against sen/dimaga/naniwa/thorzain.
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On July 10 2011 13:16 ZergBonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:12 Medrea wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 deadjawa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Category III: Languages which are quite difficult for native English speakers88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)Arabic Cantonese Japanese KoreanMandarin Mongolian Taiwanese (Hokkien Min Nan) Wu You know Ive seen this elsewhere but I know Japanese is not very hard to learn. The entire language rests on what? 43 syllables was it? English alphabet alone is 26. Im told once all 43 syllables are learned its just a memory game. Writing it though? Forget it, Asian literacy for there own languages is terrible so I have no chance on earth. yea and about 2000 modern kanji GL.
Heh, Kanji aren't so bad if you keep gan-ba-re'ing.
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If you dont play in more and he's only now won games in code S how are people supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt before he started winning?
All the people he lost to in code S went very deep/won. The people he beat have been very solid code S players.
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well at least the final isn't a pvp or tvt. Thank god for that.
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On July 10 2011 13:12 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:10 Crisco wrote:On July 10 2011 13:07 Utinni wrote:
Why do people say Huk is Korean. He is a foreigner who trains with Koreans... What is not to understand. If you are in the same environment you will adapt. He trains as hard as they do... that is why he can compete. foreigners are people who train outside of korea. and "Koreans" are people who train in Korea. Therefore, select is a "foreigner" and Huk is a "korean" Koreans are people who are born in Korea..sorry to burst your flawed logic lol.
Why are people denying this? Did you guys not notice how he put the two terms in quotes? It's been like this since bw and carried over.
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9pm on a saturday night, games are over, time to go clubbing!
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On July 10 2011 13:18 openbox1 wrote:
well at least the final isn't a pvp or tvt. Thank god for that.
or zvz
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On July 10 2011 13:16 Indrium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:11 NotSorry wrote:On July 10 2011 13:11 EndOfTime88 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Idra consistent? Is that a joke? Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player. I'd consider Idra the most consistent of that group. If by consistent you mean consistently failing before the top I feel like this is a product of the stigma where "if you don't win anything you aren't good," which is complete nonsense. Sen hasn't won a gold since the beta, yet he just stood toe to toe with MC, which makes him pretty damn good. To condemn people because they aren't winning golds regularly is pretty shortsighted.
Sen doesn't attend a lot of tournaments so it's hard for him to get his name out there. he wasn't at MLG, homestory, etc. I believe he's still in school too.
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On July 10 2011 13:17 malaki wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:12 Dommk wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.- dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran. korean terrans are just scary as shit in general. Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace... Imagine if that was NesTea or DRG playing, MC would have got rolled. why the fuck do you guys put "DRG" and NesTea in one sentence?
I sort of agree. DRG has sick ZVT but hasn't displayed a huge amount of power in his ZVP yet. People keep putting him up there with NesTea which is sort of misguided. MC vs NesTea, if the GSL matches make it that way, will really be an interesting match. I can't see DRG doing the same.
On July 10 2011 13:18 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:16 Indrium wrote:On July 10 2011 13:11 NotSorry wrote:On July 10 2011 13:11 EndOfTime88 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Idra consistent? Is that a joke? Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player. I'd consider Idra the most consistent of that group. If by consistent you mean consistently failing before the top I feel like this is a product of the stigma where "if you don't win anything you aren't good," which is complete nonsense. Sen hasn't won a gold since the beta, yet he just stood toe to toe with MC, which makes him pretty damn good. To condemn people because they aren't winning golds regularly is pretty shortsighted. Sen doesn't attend a lot of tournaments so it's hard for him to get his name out there. he wasn't at MLG, homestory, etc. I believe he's still in school too.
Precisely, good point!
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On July 10 2011 13:17 Loki57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Idra consistent? Is that a joke? Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player. I'm going to try to stay away from fanboy-wars as possible, but winning the first MLG and then doing literally nothing until HSC3 and Dreamhack isn't particularly consistent. IdrA was in code S his entire time in Korea including during the open tournaments which you could argue were much more volatile and continued to place high/win events like MLG, IPL, etc. To say HuK has been more consistent is plain silly.
By doing fantastic in code-S you mean getting out of the group stages for the first time? ..in 8 seasons
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