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On July 10 2011 13:12 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:10 Ryan307  wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. You are nuts if you're saying huk is less consistent than those players as of late. lol what, consistency isn't about "as of late." It's about a body of work and not just "what have you done for me lately."
Uh you can't possibly be serious
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Awesome series. Sen and MC going all out.
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On July 10 2011 13:12 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:10 Crisco wrote:On July 10 2011 13:07 Utinni wrote:
Why do people say Huk is Korean. He is a foreigner who trains with Koreans... What is not to understand. If you are in the same environment you will adapt. He trains as hard as they do... that is why he can compete. foreigners are people who train outside of korea. and "Koreans" are people who train in Korea. Therefore, select is a "foreigner" and Huk is a "korean" Koreans are people who are born in Korea..sorry to burst your flawed logic lol.
it's quite obvious he is referring to a term "Korean" as used in Starcraft to associate skill and experience levels, not national origin.
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On July 10 2011 13:12 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:12 puzzl wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Spoken like someone who has zero knowledge of linguistics. I speak Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, English and some German. You're an idiot.
then you're biased if you don't understand objective linguistics. you might have learned an asian language at a young age so it was easier. even if you didn't and english was your native language until well into your adolescence, you should understand that asian languages are much harder if you're an english speaker. also chinese isn't a language, what language were you trying to say?
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On July 10 2011 13:12 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:10 Crisco wrote:On July 10 2011 13:07 Utinni wrote:
Why do people say Huk is Korean. He is a foreigner who trains with Koreans... What is not to understand. If you are in the same environment you will adapt. He trains as hard as they do... that is why he can compete. foreigners are people who train outside of korea. and "Koreans" are people who train in Korea. Therefore, select is a "foreigner" and Huk is a "korean" Koreans are people who are born in Korea..sorry to burst your flawed logic lol.
Yeah and cheese is a yellow thing made out of milk. Why the hell are commentators talking about it as if it was a verb?
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On July 10 2011 12:56 slicknav wrote:
wow...so a Korean guaranteed to win it all!
Was that ever in doubt?
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WHERE DA AFTER PARTY AT? Anyone for bowling at Round 1?
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On July 10 2011 13:12 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:10 Crisco wrote:On July 10 2011 13:07 Utinni wrote:
Why do people say Huk is Korean. He is a foreigner who trains with Koreans... What is not to understand. If you are in the same environment you will adapt. He trains as hard as they do... that is why he can compete. foreigners are people who train outside of korea. and "Koreans" are people who train in Korea. Therefore, select is a "foreigner" and Huk is a "korean" Koreans are people who are born in Korea..sorry to burst your flawed logic lol.
Well, then it is a no-brainer for foreigners to do well. Al lthey have to do, is go to Korea. In that case, there is no Korea vs World logic, cause all you ahve to do is go to Korea and train to be top tier.
by implying that Huk is a foreigner and Select is a korean, you're basically stating that ethnicity is what makes a player dominant, which is about the furthest thing from true.
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On July 10 2011 13:10 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:08 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Really? How so? Because results over a long period of time is what separates you in starcraft....it's a marathon not a sprint. It's more like tennis or golf because there's so many events and few players can win consistently.
He just isn't in as many as those guys. Thorzain won TSL but hasn't made much noise in anything else. What the hell has Dimaga done lately? Idra hasn't been tearing it up much either. He's posted decent results, but DH and HSC3 weren't too good. Sen does always do well, but so does Huk. Naniwa seems more consistent because he is in more events, but I don't think he is better than Huk considering Huk just won two tournaments Naniwa was in.
Huk just won two rather large tournaments. Thats more than what those guys can say. Huk just doesn't play in as many as them so he seems like he isn't as consistent.
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On July 10 2011 13:13 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:12 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:11 NotSorry wrote:On July 10 2011 13:11 EndOfTime88 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Idra consistent? Is that a joke? Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player. I'd consider Idra the most consistent of that group. If by consistent you mean consistently failing before the top You're right, he hasnt won anything and never places well. He won something a few months ago, which in a game thats been around ~1year is ages ago
And everything everyone wins now will be in the same position...that argument makes no sense.
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On July 10 2011 13:11 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:08 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Really? How so? Not at all now, HuK just won two very big events. But before that all he had to his name was MLG.
you never watched beta tournaments right
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On July 10 2011 13:14 akalarry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:12 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:12 puzzl wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Spoken like someone who has zero knowledge of linguistics. I speak Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, English and some German. You're an idiot. then you're biased if you don't understand objective linguistics. you might have learned an asian language at a young age so it was easier. even if you didn't and english was your native language until well into your adolescence, you should understand that asian languages are much harder if you're an english speaker. also chinese isn't a language, what language were you trying to say?
Probably Mandarin since its the dominant diolect in china.
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On July 10 2011 13:11 Yemack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:08 RedDragon571 wrote:
Ok, too all the zerg's saying sen outplayed mc. I am a high masters zerg and I will occasionally delve into balance, but that is just not the case at all. MC outplayed sen, Sen got nervous and made a few hasty decisions that lost him the game. both player played brilliantly, but MC had to make soo many very tough decision in that game. He HAD to delay his gold expo on meta, he made incredible descision on when to attack and a incredibly smart void switch on terminus. So many good decisions by MC. MC was moments away from losing it all at many points but he made the correct descisions every time. The first two loses, was because he was unprepared to deal with that relatively new style sen showed.
Ps: I must be ahead of the curve meta game wise, because I do the exact same thing sen did, in most those games, However, Sen did alot of things I didn't think about, spine crawler walls, brilliant :D
yeah MC made tons of very gutsy and steady decisions under incredible pressure. He sure knows how to snatch wins from impossible situations. Also I think he is just godly in every engagement. This is where Sen was clearly lacking against MC. MC's every battle was phenomenal and impressive. No wonder people call him Kratoss Protoss because he really is becoming a new god of war.
Ultimately I think it came down to control so many times. MC probably has the best control in the world right now (and Huk is #3  )
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On July 10 2011 13:13 RedDragon571 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:10 Utinni wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 RedDragon571 wrote:
Ok, too all the zerg's saying sen outplayed mc. I am a high masters zerg and I will occasionally delve into balance, but that is just not the case at all. MC outplayed sen, Sen got nervous and made a few hasty decisions that lost him the game. both player played brilliantly, but MC had to make soo many very tough decision in that game. He HAD to delay his gold expo on meta, he made incredible descision on when to attack and a incredibly smart void switch on terminus. So many good decisions by MC. MC was moments away from losing it all at many points but he made the correct descisions every time. The first two loses, was because he was unprepared to deal with that relatively new style sen showed.
Ps: I must be ahead of the curve meta game wise, because I do the exact same thing sen did, in most those games, However, Sen did alot of things I didn't think about, spine crawler walls, brilliant :D
I think most are referring to game 4 where sen lost it for himself... and after that win things woulda been different. True, I am just putting forth that Sen made more mistakes than MC did, and MC outplayed Sen. I think its hard to say the the player who was playing from behind and came back a won, got outplayed.
Ya, I can agree to that Makes for fun games to watch though haha
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On July 10 2011 13:15 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:10 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Really? How so? Because results over a long period of time is what separates you in starcraft....it's a marathon not a sprint. It's more like tennis or golf because there's so many events and few players can win consistently. He just isn't in as many as those guys. Thorzain won TSL but hasn't made much noise in anything else. What the hell has Dimaga done lately? Idra hasn't been tearing it up much either. He's posted decent results, but DH and HSC3 weren't too good. Sen does always do well, but so does Huk. Naniwa seems more consistent because he is in more events, but I don't think he is better than Huk considering Huk just won two tournaments Naniwa was in. Huk just won two rather large tournaments. Thats more than what those guys can say. Huk just doesn't play in as many as them so he seems like he isn't as consistent.
If you dont play in more and he's only now won games in code S how are people supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt before he started winning?
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On July 10 2011 13:14 stork4ever wrote:Show nested quote +
Not at all now, HuK just won two very big events. But before that all he had to his name was MLG.
And what to thier names do the other people have??? I'm sorry I'm love Idra and Sen but Huk just won tournaments that featured the very best players in the foreign and arguably the world. He is training with the top players in the world. More importantly due to his skill, he no longer has to carry MC's bags.
Lol "all he had to his name was MLG", what about the big fat "Code S". Until another foreigner can prove that they can compete on the GSL Code S level, then Huk will remain, in my eyes at least, the top foreign player. Jinro was for awhile, but he has since sadly fallen off.
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On July 10 2011 13:12 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:10 deadjawa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Category III: Languages which are quite difficult for native English speakers88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)Arabic Cantonese Japanese KoreanMandarin Mongolian Taiwanese (Hokkien Min Nan) Wu You know Ive seen this elsewhere but I know Japanese is not very hard to learn. The entire language rests on what? 43 syllables was it? English alphabet alone is 26. Im told once all 43 syllables are learned its just a memory game. Writing it though? Forget it, Asian literacy for there own languages is terrible so I have no chance on earth.
yea and about 2000 modern kanji GL.
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On July 10 2011 13:13 Turbo.Tactics wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:10 flowSthead wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.- dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran. korean terrans are just scary as shit in general. Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace... So Losira at MLG doesn't count for anything? Or the fact that MC is actually really good and the majority of the 16 spots were Zergs? Makes it even worst tbh. The Zergs that know lategame compositions get cheesed early, the ones that know macro style multiple harrass midgame antics get to lategame and throw it away. It's just frustrating to watch and read about how great MC plays... I am not saying he is getting free wins...all I'm saying is he shouldn't win 3 v 5 base against any Zerg that knows how to play lategame Zerg.
God, you are arrogant. He is the _best_ Protoss int he world right now. It is ridiculous that you are stipulating that Zerg should just get an auto win because they manage to get 5bases.
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On July 10 2011 13:15 Ezekyle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 12:56 slicknav wrote:
wow...so a Korean guaranteed to win it all! Was that ever in doubt?
Seriously, Huk's not even in the tournament.
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On July 10 2011 13:11 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:11 EndOfTime88 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@"" I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen. Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment. No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent. Idra consistent? Is that a joke? Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player. I'd consider Idra the most consistent of that group. If by consistent you mean consistently failing before the top
I feel like this is a product of the stigma where "if you don't win anything you aren't good," which is complete nonsense. Sen hasn't won a gold since the beta, yet he just stood toe to toe with MC, which makes him pretty damn good. To condemn people because they aren't winning golds regularly is pretty shortsighted.
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