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Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
July 10 2011 04:12 GMT
#13621
On July 10 2011 13:11 NotSorry wrote:
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On July 10 2011 13:11 EndOfTime88 wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:

On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:
On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@""


I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen.


Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment.

No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent.


Idra consistent? Is that a joke?

Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player.


I'd consider Idra the most consistent of that group.

If by consistent you mean consistently failing before the top

You're right, he hasnt won anything and never places well.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
July 10 2011 04:12 GMT
#13622
uh oh here comes the 20 pages of is HUK a Korean or a Canadian again...
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
ForeverSleep
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada920 Posts
July 10 2011 04:13 GMT
#13623
On July 10 2011 13:11 dangerjoe wrote:
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pure win
"Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans" - John Lennon
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
July 10 2011 04:13 GMT
#13624
On July 10 2011 13:04 chaopow wrote:
I was really hoping for Sen to win, but in the end, MC is absolutely insane. But now, he doesn't have that super cocky confident attitude! I hope this is the start of a new MC that respects other players more, since he now respects Sen a lot. I think hes becoming like white ra now! Swimming and being a gentlemen!!


he's only trolling idra
he still do that taunting gesture before the match thou
maybe sen DO surprise him
-Terran-
Phayt
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada346 Posts
July 10 2011 04:13 GMT
#13625
On July 10 2011 13:10 Ryan307 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:
On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@""


I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen.


Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment.

No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent.


You are nuts if you're saying huk is less consistent than those players as of late.


Yes, Huk is on top right now. I don't know a better measure of consistency than "play in GSL code S repeatedly". Of the players listed there, only Sen and Naniwa compare in my eyes.

RedDragon571
Profile Joined March 2011
United States633 Posts
July 10 2011 04:13 GMT
#13626
On July 10 2011 13:10 Utinni wrote:
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On July 10 2011 13:08 RedDragon571 wrote:
Ok, too all the zerg's saying sen outplayed mc. I am a high masters zerg and I will occasionally delve into balance, but that is just not the case at all. MC outplayed sen, Sen got nervous and made a few hasty decisions that lost him the game. both player played brilliantly, but MC had to make soo many very tough decision in that game. He HAD to delay his gold expo on meta, he made incredible descision on when to attack and a incredibly smart void switch on terminus. So many good decisions by MC. MC was moments away from losing it all at many points but he made the correct descisions every time. The first two loses, was because he was unprepared to deal with that relatively new style sen showed.

Ps: I must be ahead of the curve meta game wise, because I do the exact same thing sen did, in most those games, However, Sen did alot of things I didn't think about, spine crawler walls, brilliant :D

I think most are referring to game 4 where sen lost it for himself... and after that win things woulda been different.


True, I am just putting forth that Sen made more mistakes than MC did, and MC outplayed Sen. I think its hard to say the the player who was playing from behind and came back a won, got outplayed.
ntvarify
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States331 Posts
July 10 2011 04:13 GMT
#13627
On July 10 2011 13:10 Callosum wrote:
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On July 10 2011 13:09 Dreamer.T wrote:
MC is one of the few tosses I actually respect. So many gimmicky toss players these days.


The number of blink stalkers he can amass for his final pushes are just staggering every time.

But's its not just the blink stalkers its the blinking after mutas while keeping his pheonices attacking but not in reach of the mutas while storming banes and lings coming for a counter on his third. There's more to it then just massing blink stalkers and a moving.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 10 2011 04:13 GMT
#13628
On July 10 2011 13:10 Hammer442 wrote:
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On July 10 2011 13:09 oriox wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:05 GenesisX wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:04 WizShaw wrote:
Does anybody DEFINITIVELY know if the NASL is making money?


50,000 stream viewers, ads after open stream and after games, sponsors, premium tickets and much more... I think so


I think what he meant was "profiting". Is the NASL turning a profit from this season, aka can they continue business. Not obvious considering the sponsors are kinda small.


Season 2 starts next week apparently so you would assume it has been a success thus far.

They promised 3 seasons. If they don't make money in 3 seasons, they most likely won't be back for a 4th season. WizShaw wants to know if this season is profitable for NASL.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
July 10 2011 04:13 GMT
#13629
On July 10 2011 13:12 Dommk wrote:

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On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.-

dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran.

korean terrans are just scary as shit in general.


Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace...


You have the best Protoss in the world arguable facing a good Zerg but who isn't the same skill level as him, but MC still had some tough games and should have lost if Sen didn't make so many Broods, yet you passively cry about balance? Imagine if that was NesTea or DRG playing, MC would have got rolled. ZvP feels like its favored towards Zerg, the best Toss right now shouldn't be sweating it against anyone other than the best Zergs really

Sen is one of the world's best zergs actually, lol.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Turbo.Tactics
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany675 Posts
July 10 2011 04:13 GMT
#13630
On July 10 2011 13:10 flowSthead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.-

dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran.

korean terrans are just scary as shit in general.


Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace...


So Losira at MLG doesn't count for anything? Or the fact that MC is actually really good and the majority of the 16 spots were Zergs?


Makes it even worst tbh. The Zergs that know lategame compositions get cheesed early, the ones that know macro style multiple harrass midgame antics get to lategame and throw it away. It's just frustrating to watch and read about how great MC plays... I am not saying he is getting free wins...all I'm saying is he shouldn't win 3 v 5 base against any Zerg that knows how to play lategame Zerg.

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Zerg - because Browders sons hate 'em
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
July 10 2011 04:13 GMT
#13631
On July 10 2011 13:12 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 13:11 NotSorry wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:11 EndOfTime88 wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:10 Ocedic wrote:

On July 10 2011 13:06 Serpico wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:04 InvalidID wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:00 eYeball wrote:
On July 10 2011 12:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Sen is clearly the best foreigner, and would probably be in the top 5 zergs in Korea as well. I really only see Nestea better than him, and maybe Losira and DRG. Wow, I'm a Sen fan now @_@""


I can see that. But Losira, DRG and Nestea are all better than sen.


Clearly the best foreigner? Maybe the best foreign Zerg, but Huk has clearly established himself as the top foreigner at the moment.

No, huk isn't the best foreigner at all. I'd take dimaga/throzain/sen/naniwa/idra before huk because they've been much more consistent.


Idra consistent? Is that a joke?

Huk won Dreamhack, HSC3 and is doing fantastic in Code S. Yeah, what a sloppy, inconsistent player.


I'd consider Idra the most consistent of that group.

If by consistent you mean consistently failing before the top

You're right, he hasnt won anything and never places well.

He won something a few months ago, which in a game thats been around ~1year is ages ago
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Crisco
Profile Joined March 2011
1170 Posts
July 10 2011 04:13 GMT
#13632
On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:
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On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.

I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans.

His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something

It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different.


Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people?


Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application.


The entire grammar structure is different and that takes getting used to. If you were to say "I ate Dinner" in Korean, it is structured "I the dinner ate."
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
July 10 2011 04:13 GMT
#13633
2 koreans in the finals

You know what this means guys

4-0 one sided MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
July 10 2011 04:14 GMT
#13634
On July 10 2011 13:10 deadjawa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.

I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans.

His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something

It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different.


Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people?


Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application.

Category III: Languages which are quite difficult for native English speakers
88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)
Arabic
Cantonese
Japanese
Korean
Mandarin
Mongolian
Taiwanese (Hokkien Min Nan)
Wu


notice they're all asian languages? yeah, that's cause the grammar structure used in those languages are pretty much the complete opposite in terms of sequence compared to english.
but in terms of pronunciation and logic of grammar/language, korean isn't hard. stuff like russian is hard..
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
July 10 2011 04:14 GMT
#13635
On July 10 2011 13:12 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 13:10 deadjawa wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.

I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans.

His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something

It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different.


Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people?


Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application.

Category III: Languages which are quite difficult for native English speakers
88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)
Arabic
Cantonese
Japanese
Korean
Mandarin
Mongolian
Taiwanese (Hokkien Min Nan)
Wu


Did I say it was easy? If you think learning any foreign language you have zero exposure to is easy, then by all means go pick up German, Italian, Latin, whatever and see how 'easy' it is. I said all languages are tough and take time.


I speak 4 from that list, not counting 2 more...

But I would say that the hardest to learn would be Mandarin from those that I speak.
...
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
July 10 2011 04:14 GMT
#13636
On July 10 2011 13:12 Dommk wrote:

Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:
On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.-

dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran.

korean terrans are just scary as shit in general.


Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace...


You have the best Protoss in the world arguable facing a good Zerg but who isn't the same skill level as him, but MC still had some tough games and should have lost if Sen didn't make so many Broods, yet you passively cry about balance? Imagine if that was NesTea or DRG playing, MC would have got rolled. ZvP feels like its favored towards Zerg, the best Toss right now shouldn't be sweating it against anyone other than the best Zergs really


Can you seriously say that the level of SEn play today wasn't in the same boat than Losira or Nestea ZvP ?
These games were insane.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
stork4ever
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1036 Posts
July 10 2011 04:14 GMT
#13637

Not at all now, HuK just won two very big events. But before that all he had to his name was MLG.


And what to thier names do the other people have??? I'm sorry I'm love Idra and Sen but Huk just won tournaments that featured the very best players in the foreign and arguably the world. He is training with the top players in the world. More importantly due to his skill, he no longer has to carry MC's bags.
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 10 2011 04:14 GMT
#13638
MC...the crusher of foreign dreams.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 10 2011 04:14 GMT
#13639
On July 10 2011 13:12 Hammer442 wrote:
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On July 10 2011 13:11 dangerjoe wrote:
[image loading]


Rofl was waiting for one of these.


Obama toss fightning!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
ntvarify
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States331 Posts
July 10 2011 04:14 GMT
#13640
On July 10 2011 13:13 ForeverSleep wrote:
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On July 10 2011 13:11 dangerjoe wrote:
[image loading]


pure win

lol that picture is great.
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