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setmeal
Profile Joined March 2011
162 Posts
July 01 2011 05:44 GMT
#1181
On July 01 2011 14:42 SniXSniPe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:41 Scrubwave wrote:
Terran anti-air (save marines) is so pathetic it's not even funny.


This.


And people wonder why Marine/Tank is standard.


I am quite new here. How do we report people who balance whine? Do I PM a mod?
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
July 01 2011 05:44 GMT
#1182
Wow, Happy is doing so so so well right now.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
July 01 2011 05:44 GMT
#1183
yugioh is done, he has no mining and can't make an army to kill happy's.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
July 01 2011 05:44 GMT
#1184
Is it me or are the game noises to loud? I want to turn the casters up
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
AgentV
Profile Joined November 2010
United States159 Posts
July 01 2011 05:44 GMT
#1185
ah gg yugioh shoulda get infestors
Don Rag U
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
July 01 2011 05:44 GMT
#1186
DAT GAME
All bases taken but only one mining base left each I think.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
July 01 2011 05:44 GMT
#1187
On July 01 2011 14:44 setmeal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:42 SniXSniPe wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:41 Scrubwave wrote:
Terran anti-air (save marines) is so pathetic it's not even funny.


This.


And people wonder why Marine/Tank is standard.


I am quite new here. How do we report people who balance whine? Do I PM a mod?

this is not a balance whine. its pretty truthful.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
July 01 2011 05:44 GMT
#1188
IMHappy is probably Happy now.
Gw~
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
Scila
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1849 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 05:45:29
July 01 2011 05:45 GMT
#1189
On July 01 2011 14:43 N1k0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:41 andaylin wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:40 Medrea wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:40 andaylin wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:39 N1k0 wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:38 Midgetman101 wrote:
Why do thors suck so fucking bad at their job its actually incredible

because 5 thors shouldn't kill 30+ mutas

im pretty sure its more than 5. the gas supply might have been more actually.


It def wasnt like 3k gas in thors out there.

pretty close. def 10+ thors produced. 200 gas each.

there's no way there were 10 thors in that engagement


There was around 8. Not arguing they should've killed 30 mutas, but they should definitely be doing a lot better considering that A - they COUNTER air light units and B - all air units are less cost-effective than ground units due to greater mobility as someone pointed out above.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
July 01 2011 05:45 GMT
#1190
And this is why mass muta isn't great against mech.

Yes he won the initial battle but he lost ALL the mutas and is still refusing to make roaches in any form. If he had just gone roach infestor into broods he could have just kept reinforcing and broken Happy.
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
July 01 2011 05:45 GMT
#1191
On July 01 2011 14:44 SniXSniPe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:42 oogieogie wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:35 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:32 andaylin wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:31 minhbq299 wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:24 Olinim wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:23 asperger wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:22 Olinim wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:14 minhbq299 wrote:
PUzzle is fucking MC's class even better

Win a game vs sheth and now you're better than MC...lol.

It's a pretty ridiculous comparison, but he did beat MMA as well.

Yeah in a matchup he has a 41 percent winrate in.

I dont why you guys dont admit that Puzzle is S class player.
I dont say sheth is bad, but he got outplayed this game.
Stop coming up with excuses for your favorite player or race, while ignoring other guy play well
even MMA get outplayed by the kid.
And before the ro32, a lot of koreans pro predict puzzle will win mma, because puzzle have a scary reputation on ladder.

you dont need to call everything puzzle does "outplaying". going 8 gate blink stalkers isn't exactly outplaying. LOL


Wait, so if you go 8-gate blink, you're not outplaying, no matter how well you execute it? That's a pretty dumb notion you have there. If you didn't outplay your opponent when using 8-gate blink, then what was it? Sounds like you're doing a subtle balance whine.

if a toss goes 8 gate blink n zerg just droned the whole time and the toss just a moved n one that is outplaying? no that is the zerg being dumb.

also 7 gate or 8 gate blink so far does not seem at all outplaying because zerg just can't find a answer for it so until i guess i see it held i just figure it a super strong all in if not a little OP.


You think it's only hard for Zerg?

It's really hard to stop as Terran.


Sheth did make a couple of mistakes, however. Baneling tech was useless, as well as not preparing static defenses sooner.


Seriously can you guys stop going in circles with this Sheth vs Puzzle argument and watch this good game going on right now?
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sAfuRos
Profile Joined March 2009
United States743 Posts
July 01 2011 05:45 GMT
#1192
On July 01 2011 14:40 Dommk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:38 sAfuRos wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:36 Dommk wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:32 sAfuRos wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:29 Ocedic wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:28 sAfuRos wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:26 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:25 sAfuRos wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:24 forgottendreams wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:22 Canucklehead wrote:
That was some top 3 blink micro in the world man.


Why do people always overhype blink stalker micro? It wasn't even that good, he often blinked back clumps of stalkers, a few of which didn't need to be blinked back yet.


This. And he lost a bunch of stalkers he shouldnt have by not blinking them back when he could have

Maybe the blink cooldown has something to do with that.

No. I'm talking about stalkers in the front line that he blatantly missed when blinking backwards and were definitely not on cooldown.

His micro was average, certainly not impressive for a top progamer. The killer was the fact that he had 1000000000 blink stalkers vs roaches


Okay Mr. Godlike Blinker, go to Korea and show puzzle how it's done.


Ah, heres that flawless logic again. If you critique someone you must first be better than them.

And if you want me to be honest? I think i could have blinked better than that. I'm certain any good Protoss player you'll ask will agree that the blinks in that game were only average.
Not that they needed to be more. Puzzle didn't need immaculate blinks because he had overwhelming forces.
But this discussion originated from the fact that Puzzle also had 730 APM. Which is absolutely 500 APM of spam given what he was going. Blinking back groups and warping in efficiently takes 250 apm, tops, and even then youre still spamming clicks and x. Might take more if he wasl ike, maxed on stalkers, but there was only a moderate amount of stalkers to manage there

You keep saying that over and over and over.

But the fact of the matter is, if you look at any GOOD Protoss, i.e HuK vs MC, Xiaot vs MC, Puzzle vs San (during recent event), Puzzle vs Sheth, HuK vs Naniwa

Their APM's spike to absurd numbers during battles, you can keep down playing it all you want but I dare you to find me a Protoss at the level of Puzzle, XiaoT, MC, HuK who doesn't reach APM's of 350-500APM during battles.

I mean, MC vs XiaoT had a 400APM 4gate vs 4gate battle...you can assume all you want but the proof is in the pudding.


Way to talk about totally different things. 4 gate is extremely apm and micro intensive. Blink play is not nearly as much,

Oh, and also? Last time i checked, 400 apm was almost only HALF of 730 APM

I'd agree with you if the only thing he was doing was blinking, which he wasn't. He was microing Stalkers with blink off cooldown, managing gates and being extremely aggressive on top of it (not missing Stalker attack cooldowns etc)>

Also by 400APM I mean SC2 APM. Not real APM. Puzzle was hitting 550 SC2 APM


"Managing gates"? Come on guy, just think about what youre saying. "Managing gates" as in, every 32 seconds pressing w=>s=>click 8 times? That adds like, 30 apm.
Also, what the hell? "Being extremely agressive"? What? Like, you mean making his stalkers attack? Like, 1=>a=>click? Or is there some component to agressiveness that involves an addition 549 sc2 apm that i've missed in my gameplay?

All i'm trying to say is that for the quality of micro displayed, Puzzle was obscenely over the top with his apm and was spamming. Blink micro is one of the least apm intensive micro sets in the game as compared to mutalisks, 4 gate, stutter stepping, ht management, ghost management, spreading, rine spreading, etc.
sAfuRos // twitch.tv/sAfuRos // contact for coaching
minhbq299
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom566 Posts
July 01 2011 05:45 GMT
#1193
wow i thought happy lose this after so much trade off
SlayerS_Puzzle, oGsMC, Liquid'Hero, FXOz, ST.Parting, , NSHoseoJjakji, SlayerS_CoCa, DRG
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
July 01 2011 05:45 GMT
#1194
[QUOTE]On July 01 2011 14:44 setmeal wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 01 2011 14:42 SniXSniPe wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 01 2011 14:41 Scrubwave wrote:
Terran anti-air (save marines) is so pathetic it's not even funny.[/QUOTE]

This.


And people wonder why Marine/Tank is standard.[/QUOTE]

id rather have vikings than corrputers...
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
July 01 2011 05:45 GMT
#1195
On July 01 2011 14:42 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:35 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:32 andaylin wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:31 minhbq299 wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:24 Olinim wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:23 asperger wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:22 Olinim wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:14 minhbq299 wrote:
PUzzle is fucking MC's class even better

Win a game vs sheth and now you're better than MC...lol.

It's a pretty ridiculous comparison, but he did beat MMA as well.

Yeah in a matchup he has a 41 percent winrate in.

I dont why you guys dont admit that Puzzle is S class player.
I dont say sheth is bad, but he got outplayed this game.
Stop coming up with excuses for your favorite player or race, while ignoring other guy play well
even MMA get outplayed by the kid.
And before the ro32, a lot of koreans pro predict puzzle will win mma, because puzzle have a scary reputation on ladder.

you dont need to call everything puzzle does "outplaying". going 8 gate blink stalkers isn't exactly outplaying. LOL


Wait, so if you go 8-gate blink, you're not outplaying, no matter how well you execute it? That's a pretty dumb notion you have there. If you didn't outplay your opponent when using 8-gate blink, then what was it? Sounds like you're doing a subtle balance whine.

if a toss goes 8 gate blink n zerg just droned the whole time and the toss just a moved n one that is outplaying? no that is the zerg being dumb.

also 7 gate or 8 gate blink so far does not seem at all outplaying because zerg just can't find a answer for it so until i guess i see it held i just figure it a super strong all in if not a little OP.

The answer is to play better and not lose a ton of stuff unnecessarily, how hard is this?

You think if I, a thoroughly non-pro level player, used that build on Sheth I'd get results? God no, he'd slap my shit, because I'm nothing compared to Puzzle.
grandmoose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States160 Posts
July 01 2011 05:45 GMT
#1196
Its refreshing too see mech working in sc2. I hope it finds its place in the TvZ MU.
not really a moose
Yang Wenli
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2283 Posts
July 01 2011 05:45 GMT
#1197
Yu-gi-oh not looking good. Those BF helions are constantly annoying, preventing base saturation and stopping mining.
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
July 01 2011 05:45 GMT
#1198
Run drones! Runnnnnn~
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
July 01 2011 05:45 GMT
#1199
this is painful to watch
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
July 01 2011 05:45 GMT
#1200
On July 01 2011 14:44 SniXSniPe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:42 oogieogie wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:35 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:32 andaylin wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:31 minhbq299 wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:24 Olinim wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:23 asperger wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:22 Olinim wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:14 minhbq299 wrote:
PUzzle is fucking MC's class even better

Win a game vs sheth and now you're better than MC...lol.

It's a pretty ridiculous comparison, but he did beat MMA as well.

Yeah in a matchup he has a 41 percent winrate in.

I dont why you guys dont admit that Puzzle is S class player.
I dont say sheth is bad, but he got outplayed this game.
Stop coming up with excuses for your favorite player or race, while ignoring other guy play well
even MMA get outplayed by the kid.
And before the ro32, a lot of koreans pro predict puzzle will win mma, because puzzle have a scary reputation on ladder.

you dont need to call everything puzzle does "outplaying". going 8 gate blink stalkers isn't exactly outplaying. LOL


Wait, so if you go 8-gate blink, you're not outplaying, no matter how well you execute it? That's a pretty dumb notion you have there. If you didn't outplay your opponent when using 8-gate blink, then what was it? Sounds like you're doing a subtle balance whine.

if a toss goes 8 gate blink n zerg just droned the whole time and the toss just a moved n one that is outplaying? no that is the zerg being dumb.

also 7 gate or 8 gate blink so far does not seem at all outplaying because zerg just can't find a answer for it so until i guess i see it held i just figure it a super strong all in if not a little OP.


You think it's only hard for Zerg?

It's really hard to stop as Terran.


Sheth did make a couple of mistakes, however. Baneling tech was useless, as well as not preparing static defenses sooner.

no offense to terran, but it seems that just producing the standard MMM ball off 2 base would hold it easily with some bunkers, but i guess i am only judging on zerg games since i havn't seen a zerg hold it yet.

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