On July 01 2011 14:38 Midgetman101 wrote: Why do thors suck so fucking bad at their job its actually incredible
because 5 thors shouldn't kill 30+ mutas
im pretty sure its more than 5. the gas supply might have been more actually.
It def wasnt like 3k gas in thors out there.
pretty close. def 10+ thors produced. 200 gas each.
there's no way there were 10 thors in that engagement
There was around 8. Not arguing they should've killed 30 mutas, but they should definitely be doing a lot better considering that A - they COUNTER air light units and B - all air units are less cost-effective than ground units due to greater mobility as someone pointed out above.
And this is why mass muta isn't great against mech.
Yes he won the initial battle but he lost ALL the mutas and is still refusing to make roaches in any form. If he had just gone roach infestor into broods he could have just kept reinforcing and broken Happy.
On July 01 2011 14:14 minhbq299 wrote: PUzzle is fucking MC's class even better
Win a game vs sheth and now you're better than MC...lol.
It's a pretty ridiculous comparison, but he did beat MMA as well.
Yeah in a matchup he has a 41 percent winrate in.
I dont why you guys dont admit that Puzzle is S class player. I dont say sheth is bad, but he got outplayed this game. Stop coming up with excuses for your favorite player or race, while ignoring other guy play well even MMA get outplayed by the kid. And before the ro32, a lot of koreans pro predict puzzle will win mma, because puzzle have a scary reputation on ladder.
you dont need to call everything puzzle does "outplaying". going 8 gate blink stalkers isn't exactly outplaying. LOL
Wait, so if you go 8-gate blink, you're not outplaying, no matter how well you execute it? That's a pretty dumb notion you have there. If you didn't outplay your opponent when using 8-gate blink, then what was it? Sounds like you're doing a subtle balance whine.
if a toss goes 8 gate blink n zerg just droned the whole time and the toss just a moved n one that is outplaying? no that is the zerg being dumb.
also 7 gate or 8 gate blink so far does not seem at all outplaying because zerg just can't find a answer for it so until i guess i see it held i just figure it a super strong all in if not a little OP.
You think it's only hard for Zerg?
It's really hard to stop as Terran.
Sheth did make a couple of mistakes, however. Baneling tech was useless, as well as not preparing static defenses sooner.
Seriously can you guys stop going in circles with this Sheth vs Puzzle argument and watch this good game going on right now?
On July 01 2011 14:22 Canucklehead wrote: That was some top 3 blink micro in the world man.
Why do people always overhype blink stalker micro? It wasn't even that good, he often blinked back clumps of stalkers, a few of which didn't need to be blinked back yet.
This. And he lost a bunch of stalkers he shouldnt have by not blinking them back when he could have
Maybe the blink cooldown has something to do with that.
No. I'm talking about stalkers in the front line that he blatantly missed when blinking backwards and were definitely not on cooldown.
His micro was average, certainly not impressive for a top progamer. The killer was the fact that he had 1000000000 blink stalkers vs roaches
Okay Mr. Godlike Blinker, go to Korea and show puzzle how it's done.
Ah, heres that flawless logic again. If you critique someone you must first be better than them.
And if you want me to be honest? I think i could have blinked better than that. I'm certain any good Protoss player you'll ask will agree that the blinks in that game were only average. Not that they needed to be more. Puzzle didn't need immaculate blinks because he had overwhelming forces. But this discussion originated from the fact that Puzzle also had 730 APM. Which is absolutely 500 APM of spam given what he was going. Blinking back groups and warping in efficiently takes 250 apm, tops, and even then youre still spamming clicks and x. Might take more if he wasl ike, maxed on stalkers, but there was only a moderate amount of stalkers to manage there
You keep saying that over and over and over.
But the fact of the matter is, if you look at any GOOD Protoss, i.e HuK vs MC, Xiaot vs MC, Puzzle vs San (during recent event), Puzzle vs Sheth, HuK vs Naniwa
Their APM's spike to absurd numbers during battles, you can keep down playing it all you want but I dare you to find me a Protoss at the level of Puzzle, XiaoT, MC, HuK who doesn't reach APM's of 350-500APM during battles.
I mean, MC vs XiaoT had a 400APM 4gate vs 4gate battle...you can assume all you want but the proof is in the pudding.
Way to talk about totally different things. 4 gate is extremely apm and micro intensive. Blink play is not nearly as much,
Oh, and also? Last time i checked, 400 apm was almost only HALF of 730 APM
I'd agree with you if the only thing he was doing was blinking, which he wasn't. He was microing Stalkers with blink off cooldown, managing gates and being extremely aggressive on top of it (not missing Stalker attack cooldowns etc)>
Also by 400APM I mean SC2 APM. Not real APM. Puzzle was hitting 550 SC2 APM
"Managing gates"? Come on guy, just think about what youre saying. "Managing gates" as in, every 32 seconds pressing w=>s=>click 8 times? That adds like, 30 apm. Also, what the hell? "Being extremely agressive"? What? Like, you mean making his stalkers attack? Like, 1=>a=>click? Or is there some component to agressiveness that involves an addition 549 sc2 apm that i've missed in my gameplay?
All i'm trying to say is that for the quality of micro displayed, Puzzle was obscenely over the top with his apm and was spamming. Blink micro is one of the least apm intensive micro sets in the game as compared to mutalisks, 4 gate, stutter stepping, ht management, ghost management, spreading, rine spreading, etc.
[QUOTE]On July 01 2011 14:44 setmeal wrote: [QUOTE]On July 01 2011 14:42 SniXSniPe wrote: [QUOTE]On July 01 2011 14:41 Scrubwave wrote: Terran anti-air (save marines) is so pathetic it's not even funny.[/QUOTE]
This.
And people wonder why Marine/Tank is standard.[/QUOTE]
On July 01 2011 14:14 minhbq299 wrote: PUzzle is fucking MC's class even better
Win a game vs sheth and now you're better than MC...lol.
It's a pretty ridiculous comparison, but he did beat MMA as well.
Yeah in a matchup he has a 41 percent winrate in.
I dont why you guys dont admit that Puzzle is S class player. I dont say sheth is bad, but he got outplayed this game. Stop coming up with excuses for your favorite player or race, while ignoring other guy play well even MMA get outplayed by the kid. And before the ro32, a lot of koreans pro predict puzzle will win mma, because puzzle have a scary reputation on ladder.
you dont need to call everything puzzle does "outplaying". going 8 gate blink stalkers isn't exactly outplaying. LOL
Wait, so if you go 8-gate blink, you're not outplaying, no matter how well you execute it? That's a pretty dumb notion you have there. If you didn't outplay your opponent when using 8-gate blink, then what was it? Sounds like you're doing a subtle balance whine.
if a toss goes 8 gate blink n zerg just droned the whole time and the toss just a moved n one that is outplaying? no that is the zerg being dumb.
also 7 gate or 8 gate blink so far does not seem at all outplaying because zerg just can't find a answer for it so until i guess i see it held i just figure it a super strong all in if not a little OP.
The answer is to play better and not lose a ton of stuff unnecessarily, how hard is this?
You think if I, a thoroughly non-pro level player, used that build on Sheth I'd get results? God no, he'd slap my shit, because I'm nothing compared to Puzzle.
On July 01 2011 14:14 minhbq299 wrote: PUzzle is fucking MC's class even better
Win a game vs sheth and now you're better than MC...lol.
It's a pretty ridiculous comparison, but he did beat MMA as well.
Yeah in a matchup he has a 41 percent winrate in.
I dont why you guys dont admit that Puzzle is S class player. I dont say sheth is bad, but he got outplayed this game. Stop coming up with excuses for your favorite player or race, while ignoring other guy play well even MMA get outplayed by the kid. And before the ro32, a lot of koreans pro predict puzzle will win mma, because puzzle have a scary reputation on ladder.
you dont need to call everything puzzle does "outplaying". going 8 gate blink stalkers isn't exactly outplaying. LOL
Wait, so if you go 8-gate blink, you're not outplaying, no matter how well you execute it? That's a pretty dumb notion you have there. If you didn't outplay your opponent when using 8-gate blink, then what was it? Sounds like you're doing a subtle balance whine.
if a toss goes 8 gate blink n zerg just droned the whole time and the toss just a moved n one that is outplaying? no that is the zerg being dumb.
also 7 gate or 8 gate blink so far does not seem at all outplaying because zerg just can't find a answer for it so until i guess i see it held i just figure it a super strong all in if not a little OP.
You think it's only hard for Zerg?
It's really hard to stop as Terran.
Sheth did make a couple of mistakes, however. Baneling tech was useless, as well as not preparing static defenses sooner.
no offense to terran, but it seems that just producing the standard MMM ball off 2 base would hold it easily with some bunkers, but i guess i am only judging on zerg games since i havn't seen a zerg hold it yet.
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