EPT[GSL] July Code A ro32 Day 2 - Page 180
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kckkryptonite
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:50 mikyaJ wrote: I love Mvp but Bomber did beat him. Polt's TvP plus Bomber's TvT plus Mvp's TvZ. I thought MKP actually had the highest TvZ win %. I could be wrong. Has any other terran taken as many games off nestea? | ||
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:45 NickelMail wrote: Its absurd arguing MMA is over-rated. Totally absurd. He put Slayers on his back to win two GSTL titles, under tremendous pressure always being the last man Slayers put in. He won MLG convincingly. He came second place in the ST. The only players in the world who have accomplished more than this are MC, MVP, Nestea, and maybe MKP. Thats it. Thats the list. Inca got a 2nd place. Rain did too. So did Rainbow. So did July. So did MKP (three times!). MLG doesn't matter to the Korean scene, it's an international tourney. It's pretty much a competition from now on of which Korean wins it. And about the GSTL, great, FANTASTIC. But team league success =/= individual league success. Never has, never will. Btw MMA got knocked out first round of the LG 3d Tournament. Many supporters seem to just sweep that under the rug. | ||
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:53 Shellshock1122 wrote: I thought MKP actually had the highest TvZ win %. I could be wrong. Has any other terran taken as many games off nestea? Mvp beat NesTea | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
Fans tend to be called irrational for a reason. I do admit I chose MMA to win this, but I thought that him losing to Polt would've lit a fire under him. It obviously didn't. | ||
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
He needs to work on his early so he can go back to being a great player. Mid/late game he is really good but every has figured out he has weak early game and is punishing him for it. Hopefully he can iron that out and go backing into god mode | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:33 mikyaJ wrote: Because, MLG is just a competition of which Korean wins now. He only beat Losira and July (only in the sense of only 2 players), two Zergs, yes his TvZ is quite awesome. In the Super Tournament he got to the finals on all TvT. Bullshit. MVP of the past two GSTLs great. That's Team Leagues. Not Individual Leagues. They do not correlate. He's overrated because blind people expected him just roll over this Protoss. But non fan boys would have actually predicted this win, just like b_unnies did. Your first point is silly and does nothing to support the idea that MMA is overrated, since even if it is a "competition of which Korean wins now", which is dumb to say since he still won it and defeated great players along the way, as you pointed out. Your next point about getting to the finals on TvT being bullshit is also stupid, since although it is lucky since his TvT is great, it does not prove that he's overrated (furthermore, you have now established that MMA has a fantastic TvZ and TvT. This isn't Inca we're dealing with, you established that he's awesome at 2/3 matchups, which even a player like MVP has been labelled as). As for saying team leagues and individual leagues do not correlate, that is also fucking retarded. First of all, I'll point out that the argument people (probably including you) had for Puzzle being so gosu is that he did so well in the Zotac tournament and shit. But wait, that's a team league isn't it? Surely the skill would not transfer to his individual league performances! Oh wait, you're a moron! Secondly, your original claim, just in case you have forgotten already, is that MMA is overrated. Can you direct me to the sacred site on the internet where it is written that team league performance cannot be taken into account when rating a player? I'm guessing not. Your final claim is equally absurd. Even players who are not fans of MMA (which I admit to being) would not go into that match calling the unproven player the favorite. b_unnies did so because he talked to a lot of pros and was able to gather the intelligence that Puzzle is a solid player, so don't go jacking yourself off about your stellar insight that is unique to non-MMA fans which told you that this previously crappy player who only splashed a second rate team league would "dominate" MMA. Fuck I get way into this stuff. | ||
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MechKing
United States3004 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:45 SpecFire wrote: And this is true. MMA opens risky. His dropships NEED to do damage. MMA throws away so many drops. MMA relies on oppenents to MAKE MISTAKES. MMA has horrible early game. He is overrated and I am done being a fan of his until he is better. Wow. Sounds like you were never a fan to begin with. I mean, dude, there's nothing wrong about criticizing a player's style (I do that often enough), but that's really harsh. Maybe it's just me, but I thought being a fan meant, y'know, supporting the player to the bitter end. C'mon, man up a bit. If I can be a die-hard FruitDealer fan (one of the most frustrating things to be in the world, I assure you), I'm sure you can find it in your heart to forgive MMA. He probably feels terrible now. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:53 mikyaJ wrote: Inca got a 2nd place. Rain did too. So did Rainbow. So did July. So did MKP (three times!). MLG doesn't matter to the Korean scene, it's an international tourney. It's pretty much a competition from now on of which Korean wins it. And about the GSTL, great, FANTASTIC. But team league success =/= individual league success. Never has, never will. Btw MMA got knocked out first round of the LG 3d Tournament. Many supporters seem to just sweep that under the rug. If we're just going by tournament results are there many that surpass Goody? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:43 mikyaJ wrote: No by that Logic Mvp is not overrated. He's two GSLs by defeating equal assortments of Terrans, Zergs, and Protosses. His TvP is his weakest yes. Regarding MMA beating Kiwi and Topclass, so? And how is Sheth brought into all of this, I didn't say Sheth would be MMA. I actually think MMA would roll Sheth. About the factory wall, he won that because of the EMP, not because of the wall. 0-2 back from MKP? Great, but not only is that TvT, not TvP, but he went on to get 4-0'd by Polt. And MMA will still play in the GSTL. Mvp fell out of code S to two protosses, the only GSL champion to be disgraced so, and immediately after his first win at that. I bring up Sheth because you claimed Koreans>foreigners (by saying MLG is won by Koreans now, which is a silly generalization after a single tournament) and here we have Sheth beating a Korean in ro32. Yes he won because of the EMP as well, but the wall showed some of that "adaptability" whereas Puzzle was just slammin' down cannons and zealots to make sure he maintained his lead. Again, that's totally smart, but this nerd chill inducing stuff plus past accomplishments is why I see a bright future for MMA, since the present aint happening. Edit: SlayerS' next GSTL appearance is like 2 or 3 weeks, so I exaggerated a little. | ||
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NickelMail
128 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:49 usethis2 wrote: Oh and eagle-eyed viewers might have caught how puzzle dodged emps with those slow-ass templars in game 1. (After got hit by one first) MMA is overrated (all Slayers players are, kind of) and I never thought they were any good. Let's get real. Most hype came from the team league. No one made out of code A in up/down except Alicia who I actually think is good. Nope. Don't think any Protoss players are good unless they stop the Proxy Voidray/DT/4-6 gate All-In nonsense EVERY game. Same shit every game, then they wonder why Protoss are getting killed in Code 'S', cause they play using gimmicks, Thats why. MC excluded of course, most of his builds are solid. | ||
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shaman6ix
Greece212 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:53 mikyaJ wrote: Inca got a 2nd place. Rain did too. So did Rainbow. So did July. So did MKP (three times!). MLG doesn't matter to the Korean scene, it's an international tourney. It's pretty much a competition from now on of which Korean wins it. And about the GSTL, great, FANTASTIC. But team league success =/= individual league success. Never has, never will. Btw MMA got knocked out first round of the LG 3d Tournament. Many supporters seem to just sweep that under the rug. use your head a little bit or atleast search for facts. MMA lost in the LG 3D tournament on purpose because the finals were the same day as the super tournament finals, he couldnt play both in a row. | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
I am so proud of sheth, and my team right now. Most of us were there to support him. And also to troll qxc whilst he was commentating. Sheth did T(eam) L(iquid) <3(love heart) as his ceremony. Not FXO  we already know he loves FXO Thanks for the support guys. Sheth really appreciates it, as does FXO. GO JINRO! | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:47 mikyaJ wrote: I didn't say he wasn't good. I said he was overrated because his fanboys expected him to just roll over Puzzle. That's overrated. Anyone who actually looked into this match and knew the players before throwing there prediction would know Puzzle is favored. Just like how b_unnies predicted this. And btw, MMA beating Losira means next to nothing, Losira has terrible ZvT. Even worse than MMA's vP. By your argument, everyone is overrated, because true fanboys will ALWAYS expect their hero to roll over their opponent. So by your argument, Nestea is overrated, because Nestea fanboys expected him to roll over Tops, but then he lost. Therefore Nestea is overrated. Bad argument is bad. You can't look at overrated-ness from the point of view of the fan boys, but look at it from the general audience. An average viewer definitely sees MMA as really really good, definitely one of the top 10-15 players easily, but won't be saying he is invincible and definitely understands his weak TvP. But same could of been said for MvP | ||
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Danyl
Canada90 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:49 andaylin wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 16:45 NickelMail wrote: Its absurd arguing MMA is over-rated. Totally absurd. He put Slayers on his back to win two GSTL titles, under tremendous pressure always being the last man Slayers put in. He won MLG convincingly. He came second place in the ST. The only players in the world who have accomplished more than this are MC, MVP, Nestea, and maybe MKP. Thats it. Thats the list. polt, bomber Bomber has only won Code A, and Polt has the ST win. Neither of which really amount to MMA's total level of success. MMA lost to a pretty strong player in his weakest match up because he didn't prepare for DTs twice in a row. I guess that makes him terrible? | ||
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Rayansaki
Portugal1266 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:50 mikyaJ wrote: I love Mvp but Bomber did beat him. Polt's TvP plus Bomber's TvT plus Mvp's TvZ. I dunno, they did say they trained together for the finals, I don't think they took it very seriously since it didnt mean anything. I would put my money on mvp if he faced bomber again. | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:34 Caphe wrote: In the final of Super Tournament, Polt just doesn't give MMA a chance to go to really late game so he can abuse his multi-task. Umm.. No. MMA's multitasking left alot to be desired by Polt. He couldn't seem to focus on any part of the map. Polt had way better multitasking in that series. All MMA does seems to be sending stuff around and hoping opponents to mess up. (seemingly works well against Z, I thought) | ||
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kratos-23
303 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:52 Koshi wrote: MMA should just go back to MLG, repeat and get to Code S for free. winning mlg is not for free. | ||
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