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FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
June 28 2011 07:46 GMT
#3561
If Bomber and MMA could share their TvP and TvZ skill with each other then it's scary to think how good they would be in combination.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
June 28 2011 07:46 GMT
#3562
All in all, We had a great time today, much much better than yesterday. Now onto some laddering!!!!
See you guys at Code S later on.
Terran
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
June 28 2011 07:47 GMT
#3563
On June 28 2011 16:39 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 16:30 Ansinjunger wrote:
On June 28 2011 16:27 Rayansaki wrote:

Poll: Recommend MMA vs Puzzle game 2 ?

Yes (42)
 
66%

No (16)
 
25%

If you have time (6)
 
9%

64 total votes

Your vote: Recommend MMA vs Puzzle game 2 ?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time




On June 28 2011 16:23 kodas wrote:
On June 28 2011 16:23 -swordguy wrote:
Think I became a fan of puzzle, very solid play

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


Come on, drop the fanboyism, both games were brilliantly played by puzzle, and both were fantastic games why do they have so many No votes ;>

IM should steal this guy, he's not zenex material.


I was just wondering why the games have so many yes votes. DT's killing scv's and securing a huge lead isn't very exciting. All of the hair raising stuff in game 1 was done by MMA. I voted no simply to offset all the MMA haters. What has the guy ever done to deserve hate? Get fans? Beat MKP? That's MKP's problem, just as not having turrets was MMA's problem.

Because fanboys hype MMA as a master of the universe after winning MLG and beating 5 terrans in ST. Yes I got a problem with that.
TvT godlike not, 0-4 Polt, plz beat mvp and Bomber . TvZ awesome not, have fun beating LosirA. TvP bad, sure, but I'd say disastrous. What else does he got ? Sure I love his multitasking, multiprongs drop, clutch plays but that do not save the day.
Some may say even DRG or StC arent in Code A, but once they are in code A, I can only see them go straight for the championship (see Bomber), not dropping out like this



I don't see any fanboys do that. The last time people went MMA wild was---that's right after winning MLG. There has been an increasing amount of undeserved hate since then. It just doesn't make sense, but keep trying to justify it. If people didn't get nerd chills when MMA used that factory lift and supply depot burrow in game 1, they need their pulse checked. Puzzle just won with DT's. Again, it's totally MMA's fault, but his control was still way more exciting to watch and almost evened it out.


Other comments about Puzzle putting zealots and cannons in his mineral line--that's not MMA being "figured out" as much as Puzzle using his huge econ lead to play safe, which was very smart. Knowing terrans and espcially MMA likes to drop harass doesn't mean the player is figured out.
Andolini
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden25 Posts
June 28 2011 07:47 GMT
#3564
Woke up to Sheth winning.

Holy fuck i'm gonna be happy for the next three weeks now.
Electricity from the pills in me.
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
June 28 2011 07:47 GMT
#3565
On June 28 2011 16:44 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 16:33 mikyaJ wrote:
On June 28 2011 16:30 Gorlin wrote:
On June 28 2011 16:25 WindCalibur wrote:
MMA overrated. Can't believe he lost to dts twice. A turret isn't just for DTs you know. It can be used to deny the ob seeing your army size.

How is runner up in the ST, winner of MLG, and MVP of the past two GSTLs overrated...

Because, MLG is just a competition of which Korean wins now. He only beat Losira and July (only in the sense of only 2 players), two Zergs, yes his TvZ is quite awesome. In the Super Tournament he got to the finals on all TvT. Bullshit. MVP of the past two GSTLs great. That's Team Leagues. Not Individual Leagues. They do not correlate.

He's overrated because blind people expected him just roll over this Protoss. But non fan boys would have actually predicted this win, just like b_unnies did.

This argument is flawed. Just because you have one bad matchup and gets unlucky at times, it doesn't necessarily make you not a good player.

Do you not remember IMMvp? He was EXACTLY like MMA. Godly TvT and very good TvZ, but had terrible TvP. Even getting knocked down to Code A because of it. Did people start saying he was not a good player or overrated because of that? nope.

The fact that MMA beat July and Losira straight up, and beat every other terrans out there (aside from Polt) proves that he is just that good. And MVP of team leagues is an individual achievement. He literally carried his team to two victories. This isn't something to look over.

Yes, non-fanboys of MMA would be able to see that he definitely has a good chance of losing today. But non-fanboys of MMA wouldn't be calling him overrated either. You sound more like a anti-MMA fanboy to me

I didn't say he wasn't good. I said he was overrated because his fanboys expected him to just roll over Puzzle. That's overrated. Anyone who actually looked into this match and knew the players before throwing there prediction would know Puzzle is favored. Just like how b_unnies predicted this. And btw, MMA beating Losira means next to nothing, Losira has terrible ZvT. Even worse than MMA's vP.
MKP||TSL
tellit
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada53 Posts
June 28 2011 07:48 GMT
#3566
It's great to see Sheth take the series. FXO has already completely exceeded my expectations. Good job guys!
namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
June 28 2011 07:48 GMT
#3567
On June 28 2011 16:46 FuRong wrote:
If Bomber and MMA could share their TvP and TvZ skill with each other then it's scary to think how good they would be in combination.


I don't think Bomber's Tvz is bad. every zerg except Nestea is afraid of him
You know what I'm talking about
quiet noise
Profile Joined May 2011
599 Posts
June 28 2011 07:48 GMT
#3568
On June 28 2011 16:45 NickelMail wrote:
He won MLG convincingly.


disagree, he was just really lucky not having to face a single top protoss player like MC or Naniwa.
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
June 28 2011 07:48 GMT
#3569
On June 28 2011 16:46 FuRong wrote:
If Bomber and MMA could share their TvP and TvZ skill with each other then it's scary to think how good they would be in combination.

If mvp could steal polt's TvP he'd be legendary ;>
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: IMNestea (Death), IMLosirA (Famine), IMmvp (War), IMFenix (Conquest)
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
June 28 2011 07:48 GMT
#3570
On June 28 2011 16:46 FuRong wrote:
If Bomber and MMA could share their TvP and TvZ skill with each other then it's scary to think how good they would be in combination.


holy shit.. mind = blown..
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
June 28 2011 07:49 GMT
#3571
On June 28 2011 16:45 SpecFire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 16:43 WindCalibur wrote:
On June 28 2011 16:30 Gorlin wrote:
On June 28 2011 16:25 WindCalibur wrote:
MMA overrated. Can't believe he lost to dts twice. A turret isn't just for DTs you know. It can be used to deny the ob seeing your army size.

How is runner up in the ST, winner of MLG, and MVP of the past two GSTLs, where he beat the likes of MVP, MC, July, Squirtle, sC, and DRG, considered overrated...


Lets see.

Shall we start with MLG? First of all, if you watched his replays, you notice two important things.
1. He likes to do risky openings.
2. His mechanics are not so great.

He may not be aware of the first point, which is understandable since if you watched his old games before MLG, his openings are somewhat risky but his opponent never truly took advantage of that. I will emphasize on this point later.

His mechanics are weak. Don't believe me? Watch his games on MLG (use the replays) and just see how frequent he forgets supplies, sometimes forgetting to make scvs, and also mis-control his multi-prong attacks. I know it is hard to multitask that well and many people can't, but he supply blocks himself even when the opponents do not pressure him. If Bomber can not get supply blocked, then I expect MMA to not to especially after all the praise he gets.

So we have a player who does risky things where sometimes it pays off. Now lets get to the super tournament.

It is true that he got into the grand finals, but he was unbelievably shaky in the games he played. There are many games where if you watched the games, you would not think it is MMA playing (if you rate him that high). Also, the super tournament exposed his weaknesses. Polt analyzed and abused MMA's style and roflstomped him.

And now, lets go with drop play.

There are a lot of games where MMA's drops could be easily intercepted and killed. There are also many times where the drops do not do enough damage. Most of the time, it is not because of MMA that this is happening, but rather it depends on how his opponent respond. His drop style, though tasks the multitasking abilities of his opponent, rely on his opponent to make mistakes. Again, this goes back to his risky playstyle.

And now we see that his adaptability is horrible and he seems to have trouble playing outside his usual style. He lost to DTs twice. I know the second game was understandable because he thought it was a 6 gate but still, if he is good as everyone says he is, then dts should not kill him.


Get over it. MMA is overrated. It does not mean that he won't become powerful later on but it's sickening on how high people rate MMA.


And this is true. MMA opens risky. His dropships NEED to do damage. MMA throws away so many drops. MMA relies on oppenents to MAKE MISTAKES. MMA has horrible early game. He is overrated and I am done being a fan of his until he is better.

Ok, I'm not a fan of MMA, but just ditching him because he is not on a roll at this moment? I thought fans stood up for their heroes, even on their bad days
Rococo
Profile Joined May 2011
United States331 Posts
June 28 2011 07:49 GMT
#3572
I wonder how many times it has to be said that MMA is overrated until he actually becomes underrated.
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
June 28 2011 07:49 GMT
#3573
Oh and eagle-eyed viewers might have caught how puzzle dodged emps with those slow-ass templars in game 1. (After got hit by one first) MMA is overrated (all Slayers players are, kind of) and I never thought they were any good. Let's get real. Most hype came from the team league. No one made out of code A in up/down except Alicia who I actually think is good.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
June 28 2011 07:49 GMT
#3574
On June 28 2011 16:45 NickelMail wrote:
Its absurd arguing MMA is over-rated. Totally absurd.

He put Slayers on his back to win two GSTL titles, under tremendous pressure always being the last man Slayers put in. He won MLG convincingly. He came second place in the ST.

The only players in the world who have accomplished more than this are MC, MVP, Nestea, and maybe MKP. Thats it. Thats the list.

polt, bomber
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
goneim
Profile Joined May 2010
China201 Posts
June 28 2011 07:50 GMT
#3575
OMG.
+ Show Spoiler +

My dear MMA T_T
Day[9] Fan Club Member #516
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
June 28 2011 07:50 GMT
#3576
On June 28 2011 16:48 Rayansaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 16:46 FuRong wrote:
If Bomber and MMA could share their TvP and TvZ skill with each other then it's scary to think how good they would be in combination.

If mvp could steal polt's TvP he'd be legendary ;>

I love Mvp but Bomber did beat him. Polt's TvP plus Bomber's TvT plus Mvp's TvZ.
MKP||TSL
shaman6ix
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece212 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 07:53:16
June 28 2011 07:52 GMT
#3577
On June 28 2011 16:44 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 16:33 mikyaJ wrote:
On June 28 2011 16:30 Gorlin wrote:
On June 28 2011 16:25 WindCalibur wrote:
MMA overrated. Can't believe he lost to dts twice. A turret isn't just for DTs you know. It can be used to deny the ob seeing your army size.

How is runner up in the ST, winner of MLG, and MVP of the past two GSTLs overrated...

Because, MLG is just a competition of which Korean wins now. He only beat Losira and July (only in the sense of only 2 players), two Zergs, yes his TvZ is quite awesome. In the Super Tournament he got to the finals on all TvT. Bullshit. MVP of the past two GSTLs great. That's Team Leagues. Not Individual Leagues. They do not correlate.

He's overrated because blind people expected him just roll over this Protoss. But non fan boys would have actually predicted this win, just like b_unnies did.

This argument is flawed. Just because you have one bad matchup and gets unlucky at times, it doesn't necessarily make you not a good player.

Do you not remember IMMvp? He was EXACTLY like MMA. Godly TvT and very good TvZ, but had terrible TvP. Even getting knocked down to Code A because of it. Did people start saying he was not a good player or overrated because of that? nope.

The fact that MMA beat July and Losira straight up, and beat every other terrans out there (aside from Polt) proves that he is just that good. And MVP of team leagues is an individual achievement. He literally carried his team to two victories. This isn't something to look over.

Yes, non-fanboys of MMA would be able to see that he definitely has a good chance of losing today. But non-fanboys of MMA wouldn't be calling him overrated either. You sound more like a anti-MMA fanboy to me


wrong. you cannot be a good player if youre bad at any of the three matchups. its sad but the truth. dont bring examples like MVP, this applies for everyone.
when evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
June 28 2011 07:52 GMT
#3578
On June 28 2011 16:43 Giriath wrote:
TL staff refusing to update Liquibet with MMA's loss?


Yeah, you'll never get that point!
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
June 28 2011 07:52 GMT
#3579
Wow, Sheth just got a really lucky break.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 28 2011 07:52 GMT
#3580
MMA should just go back to MLG, repeat and get to Code S for free.
I had a good night of sleep.
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