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On June 28 2011 16:33 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:30 Gorlin wrote:On June 28 2011 16:25 WindCalibur wrote:
MMA overrated. Can't believe he lost to dts twice. A turret isn't just for DTs you know. It can be used to deny the ob seeing your army size. How is runner up in the ST, winner of MLG, and MVP of the past two GSTLs overrated... Because, MLG is just a competition of which Korean wins now. He only beat Losira and July (only in the sense of only 2 players), two Zergs, yes his TvZ is quite awesome. In the Super Tournament he got to the finals on all TvT. Bullshit. MVP of the past two GSTLs great. That's Team Leagues. Not Individual Leagues. They do not correlate. He's overrated because blind people expected him just roll over this Protoss. But non fan boys would have actually predicted this win, just like b_unnies did.
You would make an awful bookie.
So what odds would you have given MMA vs Puzzle then?
Please, enlighten me how MMA was not the favourite?
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Lol... 0/4 for my liquibet today and 2/12 if combined with yesterday.
Code A is so hard to predict nowadays 
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On June 28 2011 16:33 Samhax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:27 JKira wrote:On June 28 2011 16:23 Samhax wrote:On June 28 2011 16:20 andaylin wrote:On June 28 2011 16:20 vrok wrote:On June 28 2011 16:18 ribboo wrote:
im gonna start go dt more often Don't. Diamond and master players build turrets in my experience.  except pros, rofl. that's so true...Tarson got dismantle by Huk with the same build...i really can't understand when you are a pro Terran, how you can lose to dt builds when they aren't dropped by warp prism. Are Terran that greedy? Unfortunately, yes they are. When I play TvP with a lot of my friends they randomly have turrets in front of their entrance and main. Pro players don't want to spend that money if they don't have to. It's kind of like newbies building lots of cannons at their entrance cause they are scared. Pros would laugh at that, as they see no reason to do so (make turrets). i'm not talking about making a billions turrets everywhere in your basis, but just 1 turret at your entrance that's it. If it was a dt drop like white ra do often, i can understand but it's just some fucking dts who sneak from your main entrance.i love MMA, but i'm so pissed right now because he lost in a pretty bad fashion way, Puzzle control were not that good, he could have won those games.
Its so irritating. If Protoss never made Dt's, and them making DT's was a big surprise, OK, I could understand that. But its like 50% of games are DT rushes, and these guys are Professionals. Their builds are refined down to the last mineral with weeks put into them, and they don't build a freeking turret. Inexplicable
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On June 28 2011 16:28 JunkkaGom wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:27 red4ce wrote:
Fantastic TvZ, above average TvT. Bad TvP. MMA is truly the son of Boxer. Boxer's TvZ is not fantastic at all
He was talking about Boxer in broodwar I think 
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Anyone know who is casting code S?
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On June 28 2011 16:33 Fubi wrote:More like MMA's style is well known. That is a problem with players doing well. The format of GSL allows plenty of time for others to study your style and game, and all they have to do is prepare 2-3 games to counter you, while you have no idea how they play. We saw it happen to Fruitdealer, Kyrix, MKP, etc etc. Unless MMA starts mixing up his style like MKP has, he's not gonna get far like this. Puzzle knows MMA's weak early games, so he took the risk, because he knew MMA would most likely not attack him. And it paid off big time. You also see puzzle getting multiple cannons at all his bases. No one really does that unless you know your opponent likes dropping a lot, and he does. Imo, the format of GSL needs to change, as the current format isn't really dividing players into 3 different skill categories. We saw how easily it is for a lower code player beating a higher one, it is almost pointless to say "I'm a Code S" player nowadays.
unless you are POLT prime
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On June 28 2011 16:34 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:34 Rayansaki wrote:On June 28 2011 16:31 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 28 2011 16:27 AgentV wrote:
fanboys upset with the loss and not admitting puzzle was beast in the last two games. same thing when he lost to polt. mma must be in a slump right, let's wait till puzzle wins the whole code a this season. he never really outplayed MMA MMA got really far behind because he didn't prepare for dts 2 games in a row Not preparing and not reacting properly is part of what makes his play inferior... But that doesn't make Puzzle some godlike player either, as Agent V suggests.
No, but he does make him superior to MMA in this games. Superior to the runner up of the last gsl tournament....
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MMA out, San out, Min out and thewind out, 4 of my favourite players
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On June 28 2011 16:34 Femari wrote:
MMA is in a slump. 0-6 recently, now Code B?
MMA you need to go to BoxeR and talk to him about how to get out of a slump.
And you need to learn to defend against DTs.
agreed
boxer and cella arent doing very well in helping players like MMA and Min improve. YuGioh will probably lose, and not suprised if Boxer falls too. Alicia won't make it out of his group either.
fml... MMA i cant fucking believe it.
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On June 28 2011 16:34 MrMotionPicture wrote:I'm sorry, but he has not played enough games for 60% to really matter.
On the same note, he hasn't played enough games for us to say he is good either, if we're talking statistically speaking. People saw him play some gosu TvT and TvZ, but nobody has ever seen him play a gosu TvP. He lost to Sangho in Code A, he lost to HuK in up and down, he lost to NSH.Sage in LG Cinema- The only Bo3 TvP he has ever won was vs "TopClassFou"- he is bad at TvP. Sorry.
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On June 28 2011 16:33 Asha` wrote:He was the best player in the Zotac regular season going 13-4 with all kills over both oGs (Ensnare, Hyperdub, MC, Cezanne) and IM (MVP, Losira, Yonghwa, Yoda). More recently was runner up in iCCup's last korean weekly. He's been a beast forever, just has nerve issues. Much like TSL's Puma actually, the latter is playing amazingly lately in online events but still isn't in the GSL
holy shit, that's a great resume by puzzle.
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On June 28 2011 16:35 lorkac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:30 Arishok wrote:On June 28 2011 16:30 red4ce wrote:On June 28 2011 16:28 JunkkaGom wrote:On June 28 2011 16:27 red4ce wrote:
Fantastic TvZ, above average TvT. Bad TvP. MMA is truly the son of Boxer. Boxer's TvZ is not fantastic at all Tell that to Idra and Sen. He proxy 2raxed two games in a row. That type of play will win you a series but not a tourney where your luck will run out. He bunker Rushed Yellow 3 games in a Row for an OSL Title 
Wasn't that the semi final of the EVER OSL 2004 though? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Puzzle's macro was quite good in both games. he was almost always ahead in supply, which is pretty bad position for terran.
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On June 28 2011 16:36 pieman819 wrote:
Anyone know who is casting code S?
Someone please mention Tasteless/Artosis
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On June 28 2011 16:35 papaz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:33 mikyaJ wrote:On June 28 2011 16:30 Gorlin wrote:On June 28 2011 16:25 WindCalibur wrote:
MMA overrated. Can't believe he lost to dts twice. A turret isn't just for DTs you know. It can be used to deny the ob seeing your army size. How is runner up in the ST, winner of MLG, and MVP of the past two GSTLs overrated... Because, MLG is just a competition of which Korean wins now. He only beat Losira and July (only in the sense of only 2 players), two Zergs, yes his TvZ is quite awesome. In the Super Tournament he got to the finals on all TvT. Bullshit. MVP of the past two GSTLs great. That's Team Leagues. Not Individual Leagues. They do not correlate. He's overrated because blind people expected him just roll over this Protoss. But non fan boys would have actually predicted this win, just like b_unnies did. You would make an awful bookie. So what odds would you have given MMA vs Puzzle then? Please, enlighten me how MMA was not the favourite?
b/c MMA has bad TvP and Puzzle is secretly gosu? Like DRG WAS and Bomber WAS.
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On June 28 2011 16:36 jinixxx123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:33 Fubi wrote:On June 28 2011 16:24 KaraJjang wrote:
puzzle seems very good at mind games More like MMA's style is well known. That is a problem with players doing well. The format of GSL allows plenty of time for others to study your style and game, and all they have to do is prepare 2-3 games to counter you, while you have no idea how they play. We saw it happen to Fruitdealer, Kyrix, MKP, etc etc. Unless MMA starts mixing up his style like MKP has, he's not gonna get far like this. Puzzle knows MMA's weak early games, so he took the risk, because he knew MMA would most likely not attack him. And it paid off big time. You also see puzzle getting multiple cannons at all his bases. No one really does that unless you know your opponent likes dropping a lot, and he does. Imo, the format of GSL needs to change, as the current format isn't really dividing players into 3 different skill categories. We saw how easily it is for a lower code player beating a higher one, it is almost pointless to say "I'm a Code S" player nowadays. unless you are POLT prime
Who had an entire tournament of MMA's TvT to study.
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Too bad I missed Sheth's games, did he play well or did San just play bad?
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On June 28 2011 16:35 papaz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:33 mikyaJ wrote:On June 28 2011 16:30 Gorlin wrote:On June 28 2011 16:25 WindCalibur wrote:
MMA overrated. Can't believe he lost to dts twice. A turret isn't just for DTs you know. It can be used to deny the ob seeing your army size. How is runner up in the ST, winner of MLG, and MVP of the past two GSTLs overrated... Because, MLG is just a competition of which Korean wins now. He only beat Losira and July (only in the sense of only 2 players), two Zergs, yes his TvZ is quite awesome. In the Super Tournament he got to the finals on all TvT. Bullshit. MVP of the past two GSTLs great. That's Team Leagues. Not Individual Leagues. They do not correlate. He's overrated because blind people expected him just roll over this Protoss. But non fan boys would have actually predicted this win, just like b_unnies did. You would make an awful bookie. So what odds would you have given MMA vs Puzzle then? Please, enlighten me how MMA was not the favourite?
MMA's TvP is like 46% and has only ever won 1 Bo3 TvP on SC2 Korean TLPD (against TopClassFou). People are overrating him because he has gosu TvT and TvZ, when he has never ever shown good TvP (he one base allined MC, that was it).
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On June 28 2011 16:30 Ansinjunger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:27 Rayansaki wrote:Poll: Recommend MMA vs Puzzle game 2 ?Yes (42) 66% No (16) 25% If you have time (6) 9% 64 total votes Your vote: Recommend MMA vs Puzzle game 2 ? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
On June 28 2011 16:23 kodas wrote:On June 28 2011 16:23 -swordguy wrote:
Think I became a fan of puzzle, very solid play ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Come on, drop the fanboyism, both games were brilliantly played by puzzle, and both were fantastic games why do they have so many No votes ;> IM should steal this guy, he's not zenex material. I was just wondering why the games have so many yes votes. DT's killing scv's and securing a huge lead isn't very exciting. All of the hair raising stuff in game 1 was done by MMA. I voted no simply to offset all the MMA haters. What has the guy ever done to deserve hate? Get fans? Beat MKP? That's MKP's problem, just as not having turrets was MMA's problem.
Because fanboys hype MMA as a master of the universe after winning MLG and beating 5 terrans in ST. Yes I got a problem with that.
TvT godlike not, 0-4 Polt, plz beat mvp and Bomber . TvZ awesome not, have fun beating LosirA. TvP bad, sure, but I'd say disastrous. What else does he got ? Sure I love his multitasking, multiprongs drop, clutch plays but that do not save the day.
Some may say even DRG or StC arent in Code A, but once they are in code A, I can only see them go straight for the championship (see Bomber), not dropping out like this
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