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On June 28 2011 16:30 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:25 WindCalibur wrote:
MMA overrated. Can't believe he lost to dts twice. A turret isn't just for DTs you know. It can be used to deny the ob seeing your army size. How is runner up in the ST, winner of MLG, and MVP of the past two GSTLs overrated...
Because, MLG is just a competition of which Korean wins now. He only beat Losira and July (only in the sense of only 2 players), two Zergs, yes his TvZ is quite awesome. In the Super Tournament he got to the finals on all TvT. Bullshit. MVP of the past two GSTLs great. That's Team Leagues. Not Individual Leagues. They do not correlate.
He's overrated because blind people expected him just roll over this Protoss. But non fan boys would have actually predicted this win, just like b_unnies did.
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On June 28 2011 16:30 HolyArrow wrote:
Does Puzzle have any other results?
He was the best player in the Zotac regular season going 13-4 with all kills over both oGs (Ensnare, Hyperdub, MC, Cezanne) and IM (MVP, Losira, Yonghwa, Yoda).
More recently was runner up in iCCup's last korean weekly.
He's been a beast forever, just has nerve issues. Much like TSL's Puma actually, the latter is playing amazingly lately in online events but still isn't in the GSL 
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On June 28 2011 16:33 lacho_u wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:31 Lipski wrote:On June 28 2011 16:28 JunkkaGom wrote:On June 28 2011 16:27 red4ce wrote:
Fantastic TvZ, above average TvT. Bad TvP. MMA is truly the son of Boxer. Boxer's TvZ is not fantastic at all he meant in brood war, probably Yep but SC2 is not brood war at all
did he say that? no he said MMA is son of boxer, because their match-ups are similar. was nothing wrong with that comparision.
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pretty lackluster games tbh. the DT's just got puzzle such a large advantage that it would have been very difficult for him to lose. he could have gone mass charge lots and still probably would have won. very very bad game sense by MMA, but he still has loads of potential.
now sheth has a lucky run, plays Puzzle in ro16 and either Vanvanth or Tails in ro8 and imo San is just as good as puzzle and they are better than vanvanth and tails. so he has a chance to make the semi's
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On June 28 2011 16:33 SpecFire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:32 Pajegetc wrote:On June 28 2011 16:31 Rayansaki wrote:On June 28 2011 16:29 Greggle wrote:
Man, all my favorite players just kick ass for a while, then all the sudden slump like all hell. Boxer fell to Code A, Jinro might fall out of Code A, TLO out on medical, Min down to Code B, and MMA down to Code B. =(
Ryung and Alicia fighting! You do know alicia is not gonna make it out of his group right ? :D who's in his group? XD haven't paid much attention to the code S brackets. .........losira AND marineking..and somebody else
I could see him upsetting Marineking.
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On June 28 2011 16:31 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:27 AgentV wrote:
fanboys upset with the loss and not admitting puzzle was beast in the last two games. same thing when he lost to polt. mma must be in a slump right, let's wait till puzzle wins the whole code a this season. he never really outplayed MMA MMA got really far behind because he didn't prepare for dts 2 games in a row
Not preparing and not reacting properly is part of what makes his play inferior...
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On June 28 2011 16:31 pyro19 wrote:
I Have no Idea why people slump like this?? Did he just stop practicing or what?
Slumps like these have no Logical explanation other than the Fact that everybody else just got better.
Its more about his opponent start to figure him out than him being in a slump. What MMA is known for? His multi-tasking and drops. If you notice, in game 1 after the DT harrass, Puzzle build cannon in his every base and put some zealots behind the minerals line as well.
In the final of Super Tournament, Polt just doesn't give MMA a chance to go to really late game so he can abuse his multi-task.
To stay alive in Korea, you need to renew very often, I'd say.
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Yeah codeS starts at 09:10 GMT (+00:00).
Can't wait! :D
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On June 28 2011 16:33 SpecFire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:32 Pajegetc wrote:On June 28 2011 16:31 Rayansaki wrote:On June 28 2011 16:29 Greggle wrote:
Man, all my favorite players just kick ass for a while, then all the sudden slump like all hell. Boxer fell to Code A, Jinro might fall out of Code A, TLO out on medical, Min down to Code B, and MMA down to Code B. =(
Ryung and Alicia fighting! You do know alicia is not gonna make it out of his group right ? :D who's in his group? XD haven't paid much attention to the code S brackets. .........losira AND marineking..and somebody else
CoCa's gonna take first in his group. 
I kid, I kid.
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MMA is in a slump. 0-6 recently, now Code B?
MMA you need to go to BoxeR and talk to him about how to get out of a slump.
And you need to learn to defend against DTs.
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I'm sorry, but he has not played enough games for 60% to really matter.
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On June 28 2011 16:34 Rayansaki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:31 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 28 2011 16:27 AgentV wrote:
fanboys upset with the loss and not admitting puzzle was beast in the last two games. same thing when he lost to polt. mma must be in a slump right, let's wait till puzzle wins the whole code a this season. he never really outplayed MMA MMA got really far behind because he didn't prepare for dts 2 games in a row Not preparing and not reacting properly is part of what makes his play inferior...
But that doesn't make Puzzle some godlike player either, as Agent V suggests.
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On June 28 2011 16:30 NickelMail wrote:
Its so strange. These top players must not watch GSL. 80% of games, Protoss players are doing 1-2 base ALL-Ins, DT's, Blink stalker All Ins, Proxy stargate - every possible gimmick you can think up.
Then players like MMA sit down to play, with apparently no knowledge that this is all they do. How could you not know? Its truly confusing. its like their oblivious.
Thanks for the insight. You realize that MMA and Puzzle probably have played on ladder alot, so I'd assume that MMA would probably have a better idea of Puzzles playstyle then "NickelMail". It's possible Puzzle doesn't use DT openers on ladder which means that MMA would not expect it - mindgames!
Not saying this is or is not true, but being so short sighted is pretty dumb.
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On June 28 2011 16:32 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:31 Rayansaki wrote:On June 28 2011 16:29 Greggle wrote:
Man, all my favorite players just kick ass for a while, then all the sudden slump like all hell. Boxer fell to Code A, Jinro might fall out of Code A, TLO out on medical, Min down to Code B, and MMA down to Code B. =(
Ryung and Alicia fighting! You do know alicia is not gonna make it out of his group right ? :D who's in his group? XD haven't paid much attention to the code S brackets.
mkp and losira
(and coca)
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On June 28 2011 16:32 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:31 Pajegetc wrote:On June 28 2011 16:30 Gorlin wrote:On June 28 2011 16:25 WindCalibur wrote:
MMA overrated. Can't believe he lost to dts twice. A turret isn't just for DTs you know. It can be used to deny the ob seeing your army size. How is runner up in the ST, winner of MLG, and MVP of the past two GSTLs overrated... Cause he lost 2 series now. completely throws out everything he's done. /sarcasm It's mystifying how short people's memories here are.
It's pretty funny sometimes how people suddenly love a player one game then completely bash them over and over the next only after 1 loss.
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MMA is WAY too studied...... Puzzle hit MMA with early game, probably watch a lot of TvP matchups for MMA and saw that MMA didn't get turrets in time, and even built TONS of cannons and pylons and units in mineral lines to prevent drops. Got BLINK to intercept dropships. Ugh. I can't believe MMA is in Code B. So disappointed.
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On June 28 2011 16:30 Arishok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:30 red4ce wrote:On June 28 2011 16:28 JunkkaGom wrote:On June 28 2011 16:27 red4ce wrote:
Fantastic TvZ, above average TvT. Bad TvP. MMA is truly the son of Boxer. Boxer's TvZ is not fantastic at all Tell that to Idra and Sen. He proxy 2raxed two games in a row. That type of play will win you a series but not a tourney where your luck will run out.
He bunker Rushed Yellow 3 games in a Row for an OSL Title 
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On June 28 2011 16:34 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:30 NickelMail wrote:
Its so strange. These top players must not watch GSL. 80% of games, Protoss players are doing 1-2 base ALL-Ins, DT's, Blink stalker All Ins, Proxy stargate - every possible gimmick you can think up.
Then players like MMA sit down to play, with apparently no knowledge that this is all they do. How could you not know? Its truly confusing. its like their oblivious. Thanks for the insight. You realize that MMA and Puzzle probably have played on ladder alot, so I'd assume that MMA would probably have a better idea of Puzzles playstyler then "NickelMail". It's possible Puzzle doesn't use DT openers on ladder which means that MMA would not expect it - mindgames! Not saying this is or is not true, but being so short sighted is pretty dumb.
I think Wolf also talked about how alot of progamers don't use serious builds/cheese alot/offrace on ladder just so that people can't face their "real" styles.
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MMA.... Just came back from eating........ MMA....................... He'll be back!
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