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torm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada274 Posts
June 23 2011 18:33 GMT
#4101
On June 23 2011 21:00 Grampz wrote:
I guess you could call DongRaeGu...A Slayer



YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 18:38:33
June 23 2011 18:37 GMT
#4102
On June 23 2011 21:10 drox22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 21:06 tomatriedes wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:02 FatalT wrote:
Korean terrans have been superior in multitasking and control, now that Korean zergs are catching up problems with zvt is starting 2 get obvious imo. Mutalingbling is awesome, infestor/bl is awesome.. so hard to play vs z now'a'days


Dude, how many places in the last GSL semi-finals were filled by terrans? And who won the last MLG? Terran's doing more than fine at the moment.


Hold on a second.

1 terran in the top8 of mlg
1 terran in the top8 of dreamhack
Terran also had the lowest win percentage at MLG.
Also the lowest win percentage in the NASL.
And the reason terran was dominating the super tournament was because most players who participated were terran.

Terran is not doing fine right now at all, Zerg is dominating the ZvT match up in pretty much every tournament.

Don't forget the LG Cinema 3D special league, which ran the same time with GSL super tournament, which the Terran (MMA, Ryung, Teaja, SuperNova, MarineKing) got knocked out easily (most in 2:0) and the only non-Terran got knocked out in ro16 is Genius.

GSL ST is just a snapshot, people should judge that Terran is dominating in Korea and Z,P is UP from just a tourney.

PuercoPop
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Peru277 Posts
June 23 2011 18:38 GMT
#4103
On June 23 2011 22:33 Eufouria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 22:13 MinoMino wrote:
On June 23 2011 22:05 chokke wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:55 MinoMino wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:53 asperger wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:15 MinoMino wrote:
DRG SC2 bonjwa in the making. Excellent day for my FPL, with both Alicia and DRG. Was calling an Alicia 3-kill and DRG reverse AK, so I guess I wasn't too far off.


On June 23 2011 20:35 asperger wrote:
I'm just waiting for the "I think DRG could be a bonjwa, guys" discussion.


Motherfucker.

I still don't get the whole thing about getting angry for shouting "X for bonjwa" in the midst of the hype. But that's just me, I guess.

Because it ruins the term. He's nowhere near the status and it's generally stupid. Like shouting "OHH new bonjwa" whenever Flash loses a game in BW.
If you start going all "OOOH DRG for bonjwa" and he starts losing to a player, then by following the same logic you should go all "OOOOOH [whoever beats DRG] for bonjwa" and if he has a normal win/loss-rate, there would be alot of bonjwas, which is against the concept.
That is why shouting bonjwa whenever a player starts rising with an unorthodox style is stupid. It just needs to get figured out, or be concluded to be unfair (like 5-rax reaper).

Well, I disagree. I can't see how it's "ruining" the term. To me, shouting "X for bonjwa!" in the midst of hype, isn't any different from shouting "X is fucking amazing!". I think people should stop taking commentaries like "X for bonjwa" so seriously, in most cases, it's just someone who thinks the player is really really good. It's not like I'll stop appreciating how good BW bonjwas were just because the term is being used more loosely. I believe the term "bonjwa" is still exactly the same, and will always be, in the right context.

EDIT: Small clarification.

Yeah, but a Bonjwa requires a long period of dominance. A small period of performing well, or being excellent at one match up isn't not enough to call a player the next bonjwa. Especially when the player has done nothing spectacular 3 months later when they're style doesn't work so well any more.

If we watched Inca beat every top Protoss and that was the only match up we ever saw him play, people would call him the next bonjwa. For we all know DRG has mediocre ZvZ (I doubt it, but its possible). Would people still be saying that if we found out it was true over the next couple of weeks?

Even if his ZvZ is good enough, he's not that dominant in ZvT. He's probably the best, at the moment, but its not like he's run over every top Terran he's played. MMA beat him the first time they played, after DRG had a fairly hefty lead. He only beat sC 3-2 and he's yet to play Bomber, MVP or any of the oGs Terrans. I'd say its too early to even say he's going to win a code s.


DongRaeGu > NaDa on Dual Sight
DongRaeGu > SuperNoVa on Crossfire SE
DongRaeGu > MC on Crevasse

Look I'm not saying he is the next bonwja I think they should stop throwing the term around. But People should recognize DRG's Game and the results his posted so far. The way he drones up even after pressure and sometimes even holding pressure with drones. Granted he isn't Stork so his multi-task slips up and shows up as 'poor mutalisk control' But DRG is beast and makes team MVP a top contender almost by himself.
The Proof of the Pudding is in the eating!
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
June 23 2011 18:42 GMT
#4104
Wow DRG that's crazy. QXC took him to the brink in qualifiers makes me feel even better about taking QXC top form!
EG | Liquid | Dignitas | FXO | SlayerS | TSL | iS | Fan of pretty much all players ^_^ | SeleCT <3 forever! Axslav <3
Sixes
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1123 Posts
June 23 2011 18:44 GMT
#4105
Damn DRG is insane, the comeback against Ganzi was pretty crazy lol.

How is this guy not in GSL?

Already worth my GSTL ticket lol
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
June 23 2011 18:49 GMT
#4106
On June 24 2011 03:38 PuercoPop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 22:33 Eufouria wrote:
On June 23 2011 22:13 MinoMino wrote:
On June 23 2011 22:05 chokke wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:55 MinoMino wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:53 asperger wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:15 MinoMino wrote:
DRG SC2 bonjwa in the making. Excellent day for my FPL, with both Alicia and DRG. Was calling an Alicia 3-kill and DRG reverse AK, so I guess I wasn't too far off.


On June 23 2011 20:35 asperger wrote:
I'm just waiting for the "I think DRG could be a bonjwa, guys" discussion.


Motherfucker.

I still don't get the whole thing about getting angry for shouting "X for bonjwa" in the midst of the hype. But that's just me, I guess.

Because it ruins the term. He's nowhere near the status and it's generally stupid. Like shouting "OHH new bonjwa" whenever Flash loses a game in BW.
If you start going all "OOOH DRG for bonjwa" and he starts losing to a player, then by following the same logic you should go all "OOOOOH [whoever beats DRG] for bonjwa" and if he has a normal win/loss-rate, there would be alot of bonjwas, which is against the concept.
That is why shouting bonjwa whenever a player starts rising with an unorthodox style is stupid. It just needs to get figured out, or be concluded to be unfair (like 5-rax reaper).

Well, I disagree. I can't see how it's "ruining" the term. To me, shouting "X for bonjwa!" in the midst of hype, isn't any different from shouting "X is fucking amazing!". I think people should stop taking commentaries like "X for bonjwa" so seriously, in most cases, it's just someone who thinks the player is really really good. It's not like I'll stop appreciating how good BW bonjwas were just because the term is being used more loosely. I believe the term "bonjwa" is still exactly the same, and will always be, in the right context.

EDIT: Small clarification.

Yeah, but a Bonjwa requires a long period of dominance. A small period of performing well, or being excellent at one match up isn't not enough to call a player the next bonjwa. Especially when the player has done nothing spectacular 3 months later when they're style doesn't work so well any more.

If we watched Inca beat every top Protoss and that was the only match up we ever saw him play, people would call him the next bonjwa. For we all know DRG has mediocre ZvZ (I doubt it, but its possible). Would people still be saying that if we found out it was true over the next couple of weeks?

Even if his ZvZ is good enough, he's not that dominant in ZvT. He's probably the best, at the moment, but its not like he's run over every top Terran he's played. MMA beat him the first time they played, after DRG had a fairly hefty lead. He only beat sC 3-2 and he's yet to play Bomber, MVP or any of the oGs Terrans. I'd say its too early to even say he's going to win a code s.


DongRaeGu > NaDa on Dual Sight
DongRaeGu > SuperNoVa on Crossfire SE
DongRaeGu > MC on Crevasse

Look I'm not saying he is the next bonwja I think they should stop throwing the term around. But People should recognize DRG's Game and the results his posted so far. The way he drones up even after pressure and sometimes even holding pressure with drones. Granted he isn't Stork so his multi-task slips up and shows up as 'poor mutalisk control' But DRG is beast and makes team MVP a top contender almost by himself.

DRG is very good, but most teams are made contenders by a single player.

ST: Bomber - Relies on Ace/Squirtle to take down a game or two and throws in July to hope for a streak.

oGs: Almost purely MC + Friends (the sniping potential isn't that great)

Prime: MKP does not deliver in Team Leagues, so they have a lot of mid tier players. So really...just a lost cause.

TSL: aLive + friends

fOu: sC + friends

FXO: TBD, but probably Oz + friends or Sheth + friends

MVP: DRG + friends (though guinea pig is a very good sniper)

IM: The only team that's really balanced.

SlayerS: Although they have very even players (similar to IM), it's still seen as MMA + friends.


the farm ends here
YunhOLee
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Canada2470 Posts
June 23 2011 19:23 GMT
#4107
god damn it i fell asleep right before the games of DRG T_T

On June 24 2011 03:44 Sixes wrote:
How is this guy not in GSL?


apparently he played a 68minutes game vs qxc during the code a qualifiers and after that both qxc and DRG were too exhausted mentally and they both loss in the next round or something.
Live it, love it, play it, kill it. JulyZerg and IPXZerg greatest TL.net fan
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 19:28:51
June 23 2011 19:26 GMT
#4108
On June 23 2011 21:55 MinoMino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 21:53 asperger wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:15 MinoMino wrote:
DRG SC2 bonjwa in the making. Excellent day for my FPL, with both Alicia and DRG. Was calling an Alicia 3-kill and DRG reverse AK, so I guess I wasn't too far off.


On June 23 2011 20:35 asperger wrote:
I'm just waiting for the "I think DRG could be a bonjwa, guys" discussion.


Motherfucker.

I still don't get the whole thing about getting angry for shouting "X for bonjwa" in the midst of the hype. But that's just me, I guess.



Bonjwa is the equivalent of stating "next Michael Jordan". It doesn't just mean somebody is good. It means somebody is in the discussion of GOAT. It's annoying when people exaggerate and overhype to a ridiculous degree. You don't see basketball commentators hype everybody who scored 30 points in a game the next Jordan.

There's a reason there was a backlash when Pippen called Lebron better than Jordan before he even won a single championship. Same reason here.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8505 Posts
June 23 2011 19:28 GMT
#4109
On June 24 2011 03:49 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 03:38 PuercoPop wrote:
On June 23 2011 22:33 Eufouria wrote:
On June 23 2011 22:13 MinoMino wrote:
On June 23 2011 22:05 chokke wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:55 MinoMino wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:53 asperger wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:15 MinoMino wrote:
DRG SC2 bonjwa in the making. Excellent day for my FPL, with both Alicia and DRG. Was calling an Alicia 3-kill and DRG reverse AK, so I guess I wasn't too far off.


On June 23 2011 20:35 asperger wrote:
I'm just waiting for the "I think DRG could be a bonjwa, guys" discussion.


Motherfucker.

I still don't get the whole thing about getting angry for shouting "X for bonjwa" in the midst of the hype. But that's just me, I guess.

Because it ruins the term. He's nowhere near the status and it's generally stupid. Like shouting "OHH new bonjwa" whenever Flash loses a game in BW.
If you start going all "OOOH DRG for bonjwa" and he starts losing to a player, then by following the same logic you should go all "OOOOOH [whoever beats DRG] for bonjwa" and if he has a normal win/loss-rate, there would be alot of bonjwas, which is against the concept.
That is why shouting bonjwa whenever a player starts rising with an unorthodox style is stupid. It just needs to get figured out, or be concluded to be unfair (like 5-rax reaper).

Well, I disagree. I can't see how it's "ruining" the term. To me, shouting "X for bonjwa!" in the midst of hype, isn't any different from shouting "X is fucking amazing!". I think people should stop taking commentaries like "X for bonjwa" so seriously, in most cases, it's just someone who thinks the player is really really good. It's not like I'll stop appreciating how good BW bonjwas were just because the term is being used more loosely. I believe the term "bonjwa" is still exactly the same, and will always be, in the right context.

EDIT: Small clarification.

Yeah, but a Bonjwa requires a long period of dominance. A small period of performing well, or being excellent at one match up isn't not enough to call a player the next bonjwa. Especially when the player has done nothing spectacular 3 months later when they're style doesn't work so well any more.

If we watched Inca beat every top Protoss and that was the only match up we ever saw him play, people would call him the next bonjwa. For we all know DRG has mediocre ZvZ (I doubt it, but its possible). Would people still be saying that if we found out it was true over the next couple of weeks?

Even if his ZvZ is good enough, he's not that dominant in ZvT. He's probably the best, at the moment, but its not like he's run over every top Terran he's played. MMA beat him the first time they played, after DRG had a fairly hefty lead. He only beat sC 3-2 and he's yet to play Bomber, MVP or any of the oGs Terrans. I'd say its too early to even say he's going to win a code s.


DongRaeGu > NaDa on Dual Sight
DongRaeGu > SuperNoVa on Crossfire SE
DongRaeGu > MC on Crevasse

Look I'm not saying he is the next bonwja I think they should stop throwing the term around. But People should recognize DRG's Game and the results his posted so far. The way he drones up even after pressure and sometimes even holding pressure with drones. Granted he isn't Stork so his multi-task slips up and shows up as 'poor mutalisk control' But DRG is beast and makes team MVP a top contender almost by himself.

DRG is very good, but most teams are made contenders by a single player.

ST: Bomber - Relies on Ace/Squirtle to take down a game or two and throws in July to hope for a streak.

oGs: Almost purely MC + Friends (the sniping potential isn't that great)

Prime: MKP does not deliver in Team Leagues, so they have a lot of mid tier players. So really...just a lost cause.

TSL: aLive + friends

fOu: sC + friends

FXO: TBD, but probably Oz + friends or Sheth + friends

MVP: DRG + friends (though guinea pig is a very good sniper)

IM: The only team that's really balanced.

SlayerS: Although they have very even players (similar to IM), it's still seen as MMA + friends.




Youre right despite the TSL and the SlayerS thing. MMA isn't far above the other slayers players. He just could show some good results. Alicia for example is on the same level.

Also TSL is pretty even. aLive is no uberplayer. The other TSL players are pretty close to him from all what I saw, doesn't matter what the coach said about the inhouse ranking because he is a terrible coach. Clide has way more potential. Also I think PuMa right now is way better than aLive, his performance in the korean weekly was stunning.

fOu team had shown some good games lately. Leenock seemed to regain his A-Game and Gumiho shows that he got way better in the last weeks (qualifies for Code A, showings at GSTL and so on).

In the end I think IM is not as deep as everyone think. It is pretty much Losira, Mvp, Nestea and friends. The other players are good, no doubt about that, but they are more or less as good as all the other "friend players".


@DongRaeGu Discussion: This guy is a beast. Ok not comparable to BW pros, but of the SC2 ones he amazes me everytime with his control, multitasking for defense and strategical decisions. He said his ZvZ is on par with his ZvT and only ZvP seems to be a bid confusing for him. It is far to early to call someone Bonjwa in SC2 but we should definately look up to this guy because he shows a lot of things that the most pros don't do because they are to lazy (use the free room because of easier makro, to do other things). I hope this will be the future of each sc2 pro.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 19:31:34
June 23 2011 19:30 GMT
#4110
On June 24 2011 04:23 YunhOLee wrote:
god damn it i fell asleep right before the games of DRG T_T

Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 03:44 Sixes wrote:
How is this guy not in GSL?


apparently he played a 68minutes game vs qxc during the code a qualifiers and after that both qxc and DRG were too exhausted mentally and they both loss in the next round or something.

DRG knocked out QXC in that game, then lost to ogsHero (who had a nice 40 minute break or so) immediately after. That was the final match Hero needed for his code A spot.
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
June 23 2011 19:39 GMT
#4111
On June 24 2011 04:28 Miragee wrote:
In the end I think IM is not as deep as everyone think. It is pretty much Losira, Mvp, Nestea and friends. The other players are good, no doubt about that, but they are more or less as good as all the other "friend players".


Why do people always forget Yonghwa which has probably the best team results? He's one of the best protoss in the world in the same way DRG is for zerg, they just didn't manage yet to get the huge win streak they need to pass the qualifiers. Remember when LosirA finally made it through ? instant code A champion including a finals with his worst matchup.

IM has 4 monster players, with at least 1 of each race and at least 1 specialist on every matchup (LosirA is god against Protoss, Nestea against Zerg+P, Mvp against Z+T and Yonghwa agaisnt P, IMSeed is a beast on PvT as well), which technically makes them the most balanced and deep team on a tournament where you get 4 players on almost every match.
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: IMNestea (Death), IMLosirA (Famine), IMmvp (War), IMFenix (Conquest)
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
June 23 2011 19:43 GMT
#4112
DRG is such a sick baller. So good.

Glad to see Boxer play today too.
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
June 23 2011 19:51 GMT
#4113
On June 24 2011 04:39 Rayansaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 04:28 Miragee wrote:
In the end I think IM is not as deep as everyone think. It is pretty much Losira, Mvp, Nestea and friends. The other players are good, no doubt about that, but they are more or less as good as all the other "friend players".


Why do people always forget Yonghwa which has probably the best team results? He's one of the best protoss in the world in the same way DRG is for zerg, they just didn't manage yet to get the huge win streak they need to pass the qualifiers. Remember when LosirA finally made it through ? instant code A champion including a finals with his worst matchup.

IM has 4 monster players, with at least 1 of each race and at least 1 specialist on every matchup (LosirA is god against Protoss, Nestea against Zerg+P, Mvp against Z+T and Yonghwa agaisnt P, IMSeed is a beast on PvT as well), which technically makes them the most balanced and deep team on a tournament where you get 4 players on almost every match.


I agree, IM has 3 power players in Nestea, Mvp and Losira. Though while it might seem like the rest are just randomly thrown in players, they have a lot of snipers. Yongwah, Seed, I've even herd that Junwi is actually quite good at ZvZ.
|| Fruit Dealer | Leenock | Yughio | Coca | Sniper | True | Solar | Dark |
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
June 23 2011 19:53 GMT
#4114
GSTL is off to a good start. Intense first day of games
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Trizz
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1318 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 20:49:28
June 23 2011 19:59 GMT
#4115
nevermind
nope
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
June 23 2011 20:06 GMT
#4116
On June 24 2011 03:49 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 03:38 PuercoPop wrote:
On June 23 2011 22:33 Eufouria wrote:
On June 23 2011 22:13 MinoMino wrote:
On June 23 2011 22:05 chokke wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:55 MinoMino wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:53 asperger wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:15 MinoMino wrote:
DRG SC2 bonjwa in the making. Excellent day for my FPL, with both Alicia and DRG. Was calling an Alicia 3-kill and DRG reverse AK, so I guess I wasn't too far off.


On June 23 2011 20:35 asperger wrote:
I'm just waiting for the "I think DRG could be a bonjwa, guys" discussion.


Motherfucker.

I still don't get the whole thing about getting angry for shouting "X for bonjwa" in the midst of the hype. But that's just me, I guess.

Because it ruins the term. He's nowhere near the status and it's generally stupid. Like shouting "OHH new bonjwa" whenever Flash loses a game in BW.
If you start going all "OOOH DRG for bonjwa" and he starts losing to a player, then by following the same logic you should go all "OOOOOH [whoever beats DRG] for bonjwa" and if he has a normal win/loss-rate, there would be alot of bonjwas, which is against the concept.
That is why shouting bonjwa whenever a player starts rising with an unorthodox style is stupid. It just needs to get figured out, or be concluded to be unfair (like 5-rax reaper).

Well, I disagree. I can't see how it's "ruining" the term. To me, shouting "X for bonjwa!" in the midst of hype, isn't any different from shouting "X is fucking amazing!". I think people should stop taking commentaries like "X for bonjwa" so seriously, in most cases, it's just someone who thinks the player is really really good. It's not like I'll stop appreciating how good BW bonjwas were just because the term is being used more loosely. I believe the term "bonjwa" is still exactly the same, and will always be, in the right context.

EDIT: Small clarification.

Yeah, but a Bonjwa requires a long period of dominance. A small period of performing well, or being excellent at one match up isn't not enough to call a player the next bonjwa. Especially when the player has done nothing spectacular 3 months later when they're style doesn't work so well any more.

If we watched Inca beat every top Protoss and that was the only match up we ever saw him play, people would call him the next bonjwa. For we all know DRG has mediocre ZvZ (I doubt it, but its possible). Would people still be saying that if we found out it was true over the next couple of weeks?

Even if his ZvZ is good enough, he's not that dominant in ZvT. He's probably the best, at the moment, but its not like he's run over every top Terran he's played. MMA beat him the first time they played, after DRG had a fairly hefty lead. He only beat sC 3-2 and he's yet to play Bomber, MVP or any of the oGs Terrans. I'd say its too early to even say he's going to win a code s.


DongRaeGu > NaDa on Dual Sight
DongRaeGu > SuperNoVa on Crossfire SE
DongRaeGu > MC on Crevasse

Look I'm not saying he is the next bonwja I think they should stop throwing the term around. But People should recognize DRG's Game and the results his posted so far. The way he drones up even after pressure and sometimes even holding pressure with drones. Granted he isn't Stork so his multi-task slips up and shows up as 'poor mutalisk control' But DRG is beast and makes team MVP a top contender almost by himself.

DRG is very good, but most teams are made contenders by a single player.

ST: Bomber - Relies on Ace/Squirtle to take down a game or two and throws in July to hope for a streak.

oGs: Almost purely MC + Friends (the sniping potential isn't that great)

Prime: MKP does not deliver in Team Leagues, so they have a lot of mid tier players. So really...just a lost cause.

TSL: aLive + friends

fOu: sC + friends

FXO: TBD, but probably Oz + friends or Sheth + friends

MVP: DRG + friends (though guinea pig is a very good sniper)

IM: The only team that's really balanced.

SlayerS: Although they have very even players (similar to IM), it's still seen as MMA + friends.




You must not watch any sports lol That's basically how everything works. It's generally one or two very good players with a supporting cast around them. Seldom will you see a team that's made up of a good amount of really good players, and when you do, they absolutely dominate as long as their core is kept together
SooYoung-Noona!
wristuzi
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1168 Posts
June 23 2011 20:12 GMT
#4117
DRG 3 killing terrans like a BOSS. I want to buy a ticket just to watch. Yay zergs.
MarineKingPrime ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Naniwa ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Morrow
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
June 23 2011 20:14 GMT
#4118
On June 24 2011 04:28 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 03:49 PartyBiscuit wrote:
On June 24 2011 03:38 PuercoPop wrote:
On June 23 2011 22:33 Eufouria wrote:
On June 23 2011 22:13 MinoMino wrote:
On June 23 2011 22:05 chokke wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:55 MinoMino wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:53 asperger wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:15 MinoMino wrote:
DRG SC2 bonjwa in the making. Excellent day for my FPL, with both Alicia and DRG. Was calling an Alicia 3-kill and DRG reverse AK, so I guess I wasn't too far off.


On June 23 2011 20:35 asperger wrote:
I'm just waiting for the "I think DRG could be a bonjwa, guys" discussion.


Motherfucker.

I still don't get the whole thing about getting angry for shouting "X for bonjwa" in the midst of the hype. But that's just me, I guess.

Because it ruins the term. He's nowhere near the status and it's generally stupid. Like shouting "OHH new bonjwa" whenever Flash loses a game in BW.
If you start going all "OOOH DRG for bonjwa" and he starts losing to a player, then by following the same logic you should go all "OOOOOH [whoever beats DRG] for bonjwa" and if he has a normal win/loss-rate, there would be alot of bonjwas, which is against the concept.
That is why shouting bonjwa whenever a player starts rising with an unorthodox style is stupid. It just needs to get figured out, or be concluded to be unfair (like 5-rax reaper).

Well, I disagree. I can't see how it's "ruining" the term. To me, shouting "X for bonjwa!" in the midst of hype, isn't any different from shouting "X is fucking amazing!". I think people should stop taking commentaries like "X for bonjwa" so seriously, in most cases, it's just someone who thinks the player is really really good. It's not like I'll stop appreciating how good BW bonjwas were just because the term is being used more loosely. I believe the term "bonjwa" is still exactly the same, and will always be, in the right context.

EDIT: Small clarification.

Yeah, but a Bonjwa requires a long period of dominance. A small period of performing well, or being excellent at one match up isn't not enough to call a player the next bonjwa. Especially when the player has done nothing spectacular 3 months later when they're style doesn't work so well any more.

If we watched Inca beat every top Protoss and that was the only match up we ever saw him play, people would call him the next bonjwa. For we all know DRG has mediocre ZvZ (I doubt it, but its possible). Would people still be saying that if we found out it was true over the next couple of weeks?

Even if his ZvZ is good enough, he's not that dominant in ZvT. He's probably the best, at the moment, but its not like he's run over every top Terran he's played. MMA beat him the first time they played, after DRG had a fairly hefty lead. He only beat sC 3-2 and he's yet to play Bomber, MVP or any of the oGs Terrans. I'd say its too early to even say he's going to win a code s.


DongRaeGu > NaDa on Dual Sight
DongRaeGu > SuperNoVa on Crossfire SE
DongRaeGu > MC on Crevasse

Look I'm not saying he is the next bonwja I think they should stop throwing the term around. But People should recognize DRG's Game and the results his posted so far. The way he drones up even after pressure and sometimes even holding pressure with drones. Granted he isn't Stork so his multi-task slips up and shows up as 'poor mutalisk control' But DRG is beast and makes team MVP a top contender almost by himself.

DRG is very good, but most teams are made contenders by a single player.

ST: Bomber - Relies on Ace/Squirtle to take down a game or two and throws in July to hope for a streak.

oGs: Almost purely MC + Friends (the sniping potential isn't that great)

Prime: MKP does not deliver in Team Leagues, so they have a lot of mid tier players. So really...just a lost cause.

TSL: aLive + friends

fOu: sC + friends

FXO: TBD, but probably Oz + friends or Sheth + friends

MVP: DRG + friends (though guinea pig is a very good sniper)

IM: The only team that's really balanced.

SlayerS: Although they have very even players (similar to IM), it's still seen as MMA + friends.




Youre right despite the TSL and the SlayerS thing. MMA isn't far above the other slayers players. He just could show some good results. Alicia for example is on the same level.

Also TSL is pretty even. aLive is no uberplayer. The other TSL players are pretty close to him from all what I saw, doesn't matter what the coach said about the inhouse ranking because he is a terrible coach. Clide has way more potential. Also I think PuMa right now is way better than aLive, his performance in the korean weekly was stunning.

Here's all of TSL games in all the GSTLs so far

vs Prime: aLive gets 3 wins and wins the match for TSL 4-1
vs ST: TSL nearly gets all killed by Ace 1-4
vs fOu: aLive gets 3 wins but can't close it out versus sC 4-2
vs IM: TSL nearly gets all killed by Mvp 1-4
vs fOu: aLive wins 2 but TSL still loses 4-3

So does TSL not only operate like Clide does in the individual leagues, always getting past the first round then getting murdered (with the exception of GSTL 3), aLive is 8-4, and TSL without him is 6-10. And no, PuMa is not better than aLive, especially b/c however impressive Puma was in the Korean Weekly, aLive won the first tournament, and didn't appear in the one that Puma did [win].
MKP||TSL
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
June 23 2011 20:17 GMT
#4119
I never understand why MVP never plays Keen! How can they feel comfortable sending out violet or Noblesse but not Keen, who is pretty solid in every match up. Hasn't he only played like once last team league too? It makes me so mad
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
June 23 2011 20:24 GMT
#4120
great start.

that muta clump in last game was just too painful. the mutas just shut down the game.
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