[GSTL] Jupiter Group Week 1 - Page 203

On June 23 2011 21:50 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:



LOL good idea but then people will say i hate spawing z/t/p they are hard lol vs z/t/p because people like to complain

On June 23 2011 21:54 chokke wrote:

People would just cheese like hell and you know it.

On June 23 2011 21:53 asperger wrote:




Motherfucker.

On June 23 2011 21:45 drox22 wrote:


Yeah and SC lost the seriest. I really don't see where you are going with this. Do it like SC and lose guys!

On June 23 2011 22:04 MrCon wrote:

He did lose 3-2, winning 2 games where the zerg massed mutas. So it's totally relevant.

On June 23 2011 21:55 MinoMino wrote:

I still don't get the whole thing about getting angry for shouting "X for bonjwa" in the midst of the hype. But that's just me, I guess.

On June 23 2011 22:05 chokke wrote:

Because it ruins the term. He's nowhere near the status and it's generally stupid. Like shouting "OHH new bonjwa" whenever Flash loses a game in BW.
If you start going all "OOOH DRG for bonjwa" and he starts losing to a player, then by following the same logic you should go all "OOOOOH [whoever beats DRG] for bonjwa" and if he has a normal win/loss-rate, there would be alot of bonjwas, which is against the concept.
That is why shouting bonjwa whenever a player starts rising with an unorthodox style is stupid. It just needs to get figured out, or be concluded to be unfair (like 5-rax reaper).

On June 23 2011 22:05 chokke wrote:

Because it ruins the term. He's nowhere near the status and it's generally stupid. Like shouting "OHH new bonjwa" whenever Flash loses a game in BW.
If you start going all "OOOH DRG for bonjwa" and he starts losing to a player, then by following the same logic you should go all "OOOOOH [whoever beats DRG] for bonjwa" and if he has a normal win/loss-rate, there would be alot of bonjwas, which is against the concept.
That is why shouting bonjwa whenever a player starts rising with an unorthodox style is stupid. It just needs to get figured out, or be concluded to be unfair (like 5-rax reaper).

On June 23 2011 22:13 MinoMino wrote:

Well, I disagree. I can't see how it's "ruining" the term. To me, shouting "X for bonjwa!" in the midst of hype, isn't any different from shouting "X is fucking amazing!". I think people should stop taking commentaries like "X for bonjwa" so seriously, in most cases, it's just someone who thinks the player is really really good. It's not like I'll stop appreciating how good BW bonjwas were just because the term is being used more loosely. I believe the term "bonjwa" is still exactly the same, and will always be, in the right context.

EDIT: Small clarification.

On June 23 2011 22:13 MinoMino wrote:

Well, I disagree. I can't see how it's "ruining" the term. To me, shouting "X for bonjwa!" in the midst of hype, isn't any different from shouting "X is fucking amazing!". I think people should stop taking commentaries like "X for bonjwa" so seriously, in most cases, it's just someone who thinks the player is really really good. It's not like I'll stop appreciating how good BW bonjwas were just because the term is being used more loosely. I believe the term "bonjwa" is still exactly the same, and will always be, in the right context.

EDIT: Small clarification.

On June 23 2011 22:23 chokke wrote:

Well, in that regard. It's like shouting "MICHELLE IS A SLUT/MISS WORLD!" when you mean "MICHELLE IS LOOKS REALLY HOT!".
A bonjwa is like having the english queen making you a sir in the SC-world. It's dedicated to the few really dominatint people. Not the above avarage rich guy donating 10k to charity.

On June 23 2011 22:33 Eufouria wrote:

Yeah, but a Bonjwa requires a long period of dominance. A small period of performing well, or being excellent at one match up isn't not enough to call a player the next bonjwa. Especially when the player has done nothing spectacular 3 months later when they're style doesn't work so well any more.

If we watched Inca beat every top Protoss and that was the only match up we ever saw him play, people would call him the next bonjwa. For we all know DRG has mediocre ZvZ (I doubt it, but its possible). Would people still be saying that if we found out it was true over the next couple of weeks?

Even if his ZvZ is good enough, he's not that dominant in ZvT. He's probably the best, at the moment, but its not like he's run over every top Terran he's played. MMA beat him the first time they played, after DRG had a fairly hefty lead. He only beat sC 3-2 and he's yet to play Bomber, MVP or any of the oGs Terrans. I'd say its too early to even say he's going to win a code s.

On June 23 2011 22:41 chokke wrote:
I know that slut is a negativly loaded term. Which is why I added the miss world.
The point being, if you say that a chick could be part of miss world, that means she must be REALLY, REALLY good looking, whereas a good looking chick doesn't necessary have the potential to succeed in miss world while still being good looking.
It's the way the arrows are pointing that matters. A player being good doesn't mean he's bonjwa. A player being bonjwa would imply the player being really good. So shouting "X for bonjwa" whenever a player performs well, nullify the compliment the term has.
As said, there is as much honor in the term bonjwa in the SC-community as it's getting the sir-status. So shouting "Y for sir" whenever someone has sucsess makes it kind of silly.

On June 23 2011 22:49 MinoMino wrote:

What can I say, I just disagree with you. I don't believe using "bonjwa" whenever a player performs well will nullify the compliments the term has. I'm not just being stubborn, I honestly believe it's just a matter of context. The term "bonjwa" has been thrown around a lot before, but I still see the term as the same as it was when we're talking about the actual bonjwas.