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I've always thought Polt to be good. I mean being consistent in GSL albeit not being amazing is still worth something. I still want MMA to win though lol.
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MKP for Kong Line !!!!
MMA Hwaiting. I was so scared i could have sworn it was gonna be 3-0
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How long does Phosgene take with interviews? I really want to read them !!!
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On June 13 2011 21:45 L3g3nd_ wrote:
no, polt will get 4-0'd by a good palyer
For sure a real player like MC would crush him.
OH WAIT.
Polt is good, stop hating.
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Oh wow..MMA is so clutch..
And as expected from MPK O_o
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Polt will take a 3-0 lead in finals, only for MMA to come back 4-3, calling it now :p
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MMA you such a sexy beast. Can you pull off winning MLG + GSL Super back-to-back?
Would be amazing.
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On June 13 2011 23:18 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 23:12 mikyaJ wrote:On June 13 2011 23:09 Talin wrote:On June 13 2011 23:06 mikyaJ wrote:
uhhh MMA got to the finals on ONLY TvT WITH TWO TEAMKILLS You're making it sound like having to go through Ryung and GanZi somehow made it easier for him. -_- It's easier than facing Alicia, Top, and Losira. Ganzi is 4-9 in TvT, and Ryung is 12-10, but because of every single player on SlayerS being overrated, they're AMAZING. Plus facing teammates may not be desirable for players but it sure is easier for some people. You will rarely ever see a teammate upset another teammate, like San over NesTea. Not Seed over NesTea (just an example do show what I mean don't take this as anything ffs) So MMA's games at MLG don't count at all? To say Polt has faced more quality opposition recently is absurd
Can you even read?
It was about routes to the finals.
Seriously people.
On June 13 2011 21:45 L3g3nd_ wrote:
no, polt will get 4-0'd by a good palyer
Like Losira
or Alicia
or TheStc
or Top
or MC?
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someones a little confused ^^^^
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Come on GOM, just give MMA a Code S spot already.
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On June 13 2011 21:36 L3g3nd_ wrote:
and polt wins yet another series he doesnt deserve.
You're not tired of saying this yet?
The MMA - MKP semi-final was very exciting. I hope the finals will prove to be equally entertaining.
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i feel bad for MKP at the same time
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On June 14 2011 00:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 00:08 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 23:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 23:21 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 23:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 23:05 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 22:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 22:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:On June 13 2011 21:56 Kitaen wrote:
moreover polt prolly plays the best tvp in the world right now
that alone would earn him a rightful place in the finals - and then, start looking at his results, polt didn't have a single "free win" round
he faced losira, huk, maka, alicia and now top - at least 3 of them are super experts at their vs t matchup - making his wins even more of an accomplishment i dunno, i we cant really make a judgement on how good his TvP is until he plays against a good protoss. The only 2 good protoss he has played against are Alicia and MC. In the MC games, MC did a nexus first into robo, and lost to MM pressure, game 2, well the exact same thing happened. Against alicia, alicia just simply played badly. Im not saying polt is bad in TvP, i just think its unfair to say he has the best TvP in the world when he hasnt beaten a good protoss yet. The only times he has played against a good protoss (and they didnt fail horribly), he lost miserably (ace and choya) lolwut He lost to Choya 6 months ago. Ever since he graduated from Seoul University his only loss in TvP has been against Ace in the Asia Champions Trophy, which btw he's won twice. And the fact that you cite Choya as a good protoss shows how pathetic your argument is. Alicia didn't play badly at all. People need to stop listening to Artosis when he confuses his feelings as a spectator with his analysis as a player. Alicia made small mistakes that Polt turned into big advantages but he never threw away a single game. Everyone refuses to believe it but here it is: Polt is currently the best Terran in the world. And yes, he intentionally cuts SCVs for his pushes. I agreed with everything you said until that last statement. I agree that Polt is a monster but to say he's the best? We need to see him beat more S-class players before we go that far, until then MVP/MMA/MKP will be the best. I said he's the best Terran in the world right now, not that he will remain the best. Mvp should be the best judging solely by skill but he's not here right now. MKP cannot be the best by definition since he almost always chokes when push comes to shove. MMA may be the best at the moment but even he showed some holes in his play at MLG Dallas, or did everyone magically forget that Sjow had him dead to rights on Shakuras and screwed it up? Or that Idra quit out of a game that he had in the bag and went on tilt afterwards? Polt has not faced the amount of opposition that MMA has, you can't make that statement until you've seen Polt play similar level people Like Alicia and MC and TOP and Supernova and (underrated) Zenio and Losira? Being the bane of TheStC's TvT just like MC is to July's ZvP? Beating a great macro Terran in his (supposedly) weakest matchup? Or were they all playing badly too? The argument cuts both ways. \ Alicia and MC I'll give. TOP and Supernova are great but not at the calibre of MVP and MKP. DonRaeGu is better than Zenio and look at the people MMA beat at Columbus. About MC though, he did a good job beating him and all the stronger that makes him but you cannot deny that MC contributed to his own downfall with his BO. Either way, this is beside the point. You said he is the best terran in the world. This statement cannot be made until he faces more of the S-class players like MMA has DongRaeGu beat MC, MarineKing, Nada, and Supernova in Bo1s and now he's better than Zenio. No, that is terrible logic. Just because MMA beats Mvp once does not mean he is on Mvp's level either. Despite all the hype surrounding his success in the Team League, none of that guaranteed that he would be successful in tournaments. In fact a lot of the flak he got after losing to HuK was along the lines of "He's just a GSTL all-star, he can't compete with the big boys." Now everyone thinks he's gosu but that came after he proved himself at MLG and in the Super Tournament. All the GSTL tells you is who is good in the GSTL, and by extension who could be good in the GSL. Taking advantage of mistakes is the sign of a good player. Yes, I think he is slighter better than MMA at the moment because his success has been over a longer period of time. Also with the exception of MKP and July he's faced the same level of opponents as MMA and beaten them, and over various matchups as well. If MMA wins the Super Tournament people will say that he got by on the strength of his TvT, and that's pretty undeniable. His TvP has been largely untested, and the few wins he got at Columbus were against Optikzero (mid-tier) and Kiwikaki (heavily slumping). I'm sorry but the claim that Polt hasn't faced the same level of opposition is blatantly false.
Yeah ok you're not going to change you opinion no matter what happens. Not going any further with this
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Can you even read?
It was about routes to the finals.
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That's beside the point I was making, MMA has played much more matches than Polt in a shorter period of time
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On June 14 2011 01:03 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 00:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 14 2011 00:08 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 23:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 23:21 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 23:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 23:05 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 22:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 22:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:On June 13 2011 21:56 Kitaen wrote:
moreover polt prolly plays the best tvp in the world right now
that alone would earn him a rightful place in the finals - and then, start looking at his results, polt didn't have a single "free win" round
he faced losira, huk, maka, alicia and now top - at least 3 of them are super experts at their vs t matchup - making his wins even more of an accomplishment i dunno, i we cant really make a judgement on how good his TvP is until he plays against a good protoss. The only 2 good protoss he has played against are Alicia and MC. In the MC games, MC did a nexus first into robo, and lost to MM pressure, game 2, well the exact same thing happened. Against alicia, alicia just simply played badly. Im not saying polt is bad in TvP, i just think its unfair to say he has the best TvP in the world when he hasnt beaten a good protoss yet. The only times he has played against a good protoss (and they didnt fail horribly), he lost miserably (ace and choya) lolwut He lost to Choya 6 months ago. Ever since he graduated from Seoul University his only loss in TvP has been against Ace in the Asia Champions Trophy, which btw he's won twice. And the fact that you cite Choya as a good protoss shows how pathetic your argument is. Alicia didn't play badly at all. People need to stop listening to Artosis when he confuses his feelings as a spectator with his analysis as a player. Alicia made small mistakes that Polt turned into big advantages but he never threw away a single game. Everyone refuses to believe it but here it is: Polt is currently the best Terran in the world. And yes, he intentionally cuts SCVs for his pushes. I agreed with everything you said until that last statement. I agree that Polt is a monster but to say he's the best? We need to see him beat more S-class players before we go that far, until then MVP/MMA/MKP will be the best. I said he's the best Terran in the world right now, not that he will remain the best. Mvp should be the best judging solely by skill but he's not here right now. MKP cannot be the best by definition since he almost always chokes when push comes to shove. MMA may be the best at the moment but even he showed some holes in his play at MLG Dallas, or did everyone magically forget that Sjow had him dead to rights on Shakuras and screwed it up? Or that Idra quit out of a game that he had in the bag and went on tilt afterwards? Polt has not faced the amount of opposition that MMA has, you can't make that statement until you've seen Polt play similar level people Like Alicia and MC and TOP and Supernova and (underrated) Zenio and Losira? Being the bane of TheStC's TvT just like MC is to July's ZvP? Beating a great macro Terran in his (supposedly) weakest matchup? Or were they all playing badly too? The argument cuts both ways. \ Alicia and MC I'll give. TOP and Supernova are great but not at the calibre of MVP and MKP. DonRaeGu is better than Zenio and look at the people MMA beat at Columbus. About MC though, he did a good job beating him and all the stronger that makes him but you cannot deny that MC contributed to his own downfall with his BO. Either way, this is beside the point. You said he is the best terran in the world. This statement cannot be made until he faces more of the S-class players like MMA has DongRaeGu beat MC, MarineKing, Nada, and Supernova in Bo1s and now he's better than Zenio. No, that is terrible logic. Just because MMA beats Mvp once does not mean he is on Mvp's level either. Despite all the hype surrounding his success in the Team League, none of that guaranteed that he would be successful in tournaments. In fact a lot of the flak he got after losing to HuK was along the lines of "He's just a GSTL all-star, he can't compete with the big boys." Now everyone thinks he's gosu but that came after he proved himself at MLG and in the Super Tournament. All the GSTL tells you is who is good in the GSTL, and by extension who could be good in the GSL. Taking advantage of mistakes is the sign of a good player. Yes, I think he is slighter better than MMA at the moment because his success has been over a longer period of time. Also with the exception of MKP and July he's faced the same level of opponents as MMA and beaten them, and over various matchups as well. If MMA wins the Super Tournament people will say that he got by on the strength of his TvT, and that's pretty undeniable. His TvP has been largely untested, and the few wins he got at Columbus were against Optikzero (mid-tier) and Kiwikaki (heavily slumping). I'm sorry but the claim that Polt hasn't faced the same level of opposition is blatantly false. Yeah ok you're not going to change you opinion no matter what happens. Not going any further with this
I might if you can convince me otherwise. But you haven't really offered any type of argument besides "MMA has faced better players" which for the most part is false. We haven't talked about consistency, decision-making, playstyle, or anything remotely related to "skill".
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anyone who says polt doesn't deserve to be there is an imbecile glory hunting ball-licker.
all the top players use cheese occasionally. even idra has been known to cheese.
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On June 14 2011 01:03 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 00:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 14 2011 00:08 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 23:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 23:21 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 23:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 23:05 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 22:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 22:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:On June 13 2011 21:56 Kitaen wrote:
moreover polt prolly plays the best tvp in the world right now
that alone would earn him a rightful place in the finals - and then, start looking at his results, polt didn't have a single "free win" round
he faced losira, huk, maka, alicia and now top - at least 3 of them are super experts at their vs t matchup - making his wins even more of an accomplishment i dunno, i we cant really make a judgement on how good his TvP is until he plays against a good protoss. The only 2 good protoss he has played against are Alicia and MC. In the MC games, MC did a nexus first into robo, and lost to MM pressure, game 2, well the exact same thing happened. Against alicia, alicia just simply played badly. Im not saying polt is bad in TvP, i just think its unfair to say he has the best TvP in the world when he hasnt beaten a good protoss yet. The only times he has played against a good protoss (and they didnt fail horribly), he lost miserably (ace and choya) lolwut He lost to Choya 6 months ago. Ever since he graduated from Seoul University his only loss in TvP has been against Ace in the Asia Champions Trophy, which btw he's won twice. And the fact that you cite Choya as a good protoss shows how pathetic your argument is. Alicia didn't play badly at all. People need to stop listening to Artosis when he confuses his feelings as a spectator with his analysis as a player. Alicia made small mistakes that Polt turned into big advantages but he never threw away a single game. Everyone refuses to believe it but here it is: Polt is currently the best Terran in the world. And yes, he intentionally cuts SCVs for his pushes. I agreed with everything you said until that last statement. I agree that Polt is a monster but to say he's the best? We need to see him beat more S-class players before we go that far, until then MVP/MMA/MKP will be the best. I said he's the best Terran in the world right now, not that he will remain the best. Mvp should be the best judging solely by skill but he's not here right now. MKP cannot be the best by definition since he almost always chokes when push comes to shove. MMA may be the best at the moment but even he showed some holes in his play at MLG Dallas, or did everyone magically forget that Sjow had him dead to rights on Shakuras and screwed it up? Or that Idra quit out of a game that he had in the bag and went on tilt afterwards? Polt has not faced the amount of opposition that MMA has, you can't make that statement until you've seen Polt play similar level people Like Alicia and MC and TOP and Supernova and (underrated) Zenio and Losira? Being the bane of TheStC's TvT just like MC is to July's ZvP? Beating a great macro Terran in his (supposedly) weakest matchup? Or were they all playing badly too? The argument cuts both ways. \ Alicia and MC I'll give. TOP and Supernova are great but not at the calibre of MVP and MKP. DonRaeGu is better than Zenio and look at the people MMA beat at Columbus. About MC though, he did a good job beating him and all the stronger that makes him but you cannot deny that MC contributed to his own downfall with his BO. Either way, this is beside the point. You said he is the best terran in the world. This statement cannot be made until he faces more of the S-class players like MMA has DongRaeGu beat MC, MarineKing, Nada, and Supernova in Bo1s and now he's better than Zenio. No, that is terrible logic. Just because MMA beats Mvp once does not mean he is on Mvp's level either. Despite all the hype surrounding his success in the Team League, none of that guaranteed that he would be successful in tournaments. In fact a lot of the flak he got after losing to HuK was along the lines of "He's just a GSTL all-star, he can't compete with the big boys." Now everyone thinks he's gosu but that came after he proved himself at MLG and in the Super Tournament. All the GSTL tells you is who is good in the GSTL, and by extension who could be good in the GSL. Taking advantage of mistakes is the sign of a good player. Yes, I think he is slighter better than MMA at the moment because his success has been over a longer period of time. Also with the exception of MKP and July he's faced the same level of opponents as MMA and beaten them, and over various matchups as well. If MMA wins the Super Tournament people will say that he got by on the strength of his TvT, and that's pretty undeniable. His TvP has been largely untested, and the few wins he got at Columbus were against Optikzero (mid-tier) and Kiwikaki (heavily slumping). I'm sorry but the claim that Polt hasn't faced the same level of opposition is blatantly false. Yeah ok you're not going to change you opinion no matter what happens. Not going any further with this Can you even read? It was about routes to the finals. Seriously people. That's beside the point I was making, MMA has played much more matches than Polt in a shorter period of time
I have to sort of agree with CosmicSpiral in regards to almost everything except his reasoning to "Top Terran currently in tournament = Best Terran in the world", that said he's entitled to that I guess.
As for your comment on DongRaeGu being better than Zenio... We've hardly seen enough to make any such judgement, if I were to pick from the two, right now I'd easily choose Zenio. Also, Polt has played the same level of opposition that MMA has, excluding MMA's stint at MLG and that was an invite he hadn't received, had he, he would likely have put up pretty incredible results himself. Additionally, at MLG, MMA faced Koreans that Polt has largely already faced, and had success against.
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On June 14 2011 01:03 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 00:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 14 2011 00:08 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 23:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 23:21 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 23:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 23:05 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 22:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 22:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:On June 13 2011 21:56 Kitaen wrote:
moreover polt prolly plays the best tvp in the world right now
that alone would earn him a rightful place in the finals - and then, start looking at his results, polt didn't have a single "free win" round
he faced losira, huk, maka, alicia and now top - at least 3 of them are super experts at their vs t matchup - making his wins even more of an accomplishment i dunno, i we cant really make a judgement on how good his TvP is until he plays against a good protoss. The only 2 good protoss he has played against are Alicia and MC. In the MC games, MC did a nexus first into robo, and lost to MM pressure, game 2, well the exact same thing happened. Against alicia, alicia just simply played badly. Im not saying polt is bad in TvP, i just think its unfair to say he has the best TvP in the world when he hasnt beaten a good protoss yet. The only times he has played against a good protoss (and they didnt fail horribly), he lost miserably (ace and choya) lolwut He lost to Choya 6 months ago. Ever since he graduated from Seoul University his only loss in TvP has been against Ace in the Asia Champions Trophy, which btw he's won twice. And the fact that you cite Choya as a good protoss shows how pathetic your argument is. Alicia didn't play badly at all. People need to stop listening to Artosis when he confuses his feelings as a spectator with his analysis as a player. Alicia made small mistakes that Polt turned into big advantages but he never threw away a single game. Everyone refuses to believe it but here it is: Polt is currently the best Terran in the world. And yes, he intentionally cuts SCVs for his pushes. I agreed with everything you said until that last statement. I agree that Polt is a monster but to say he's the best? We need to see him beat more S-class players before we go that far, until then MVP/MMA/MKP will be the best. I said he's the best Terran in the world right now, not that he will remain the best. Mvp should be the best judging solely by skill but he's not here right now. MKP cannot be the best by definition since he almost always chokes when push comes to shove. MMA may be the best at the moment but even he showed some holes in his play at MLG Dallas, or did everyone magically forget that Sjow had him dead to rights on Shakuras and screwed it up? Or that Idra quit out of a game that he had in the bag and went on tilt afterwards? Polt has not faced the amount of opposition that MMA has, you can't make that statement until you've seen Polt play similar level people Like Alicia and MC and TOP and Supernova and (underrated) Zenio and Losira? Being the bane of TheStC's TvT just like MC is to July's ZvP? Beating a great macro Terran in his (supposedly) weakest matchup? Or were they all playing badly too? The argument cuts both ways. \ Alicia and MC I'll give. TOP and Supernova are great but not at the calibre of MVP and MKP. DonRaeGu is better than Zenio and look at the people MMA beat at Columbus. About MC though, he did a good job beating him and all the stronger that makes him but you cannot deny that MC contributed to his own downfall with his BO. Either way, this is beside the point. You said he is the best terran in the world. This statement cannot be made until he faces more of the S-class players like MMA has DongRaeGu beat MC, MarineKing, Nada, and Supernova in Bo1s and now he's better than Zenio. No, that is terrible logic. Just because MMA beats Mvp once does not mean he is on Mvp's level either. Despite all the hype surrounding his success in the Team League, none of that guaranteed that he would be successful in tournaments. In fact a lot of the flak he got after losing to HuK was along the lines of "He's just a GSTL all-star, he can't compete with the big boys." Now everyone thinks he's gosu but that came after he proved himself at MLG and in the Super Tournament. All the GSTL tells you is who is good in the GSTL, and by extension who could be good in the GSL. Taking advantage of mistakes is the sign of a good player. Yes, I think he is slighter better than MMA at the moment because his success has been over a longer period of time. Also with the exception of MKP and July he's faced the same level of opponents as MMA and beaten them, and over various matchups as well. If MMA wins the Super Tournament people will say that he got by on the strength of his TvT, and that's pretty undeniable. His TvP has been largely untested, and the few wins he got at Columbus were against Optikzero (mid-tier) and Kiwikaki (heavily slumping). I'm sorry but the claim that Polt hasn't faced the same level of opposition is blatantly false. Yeah ok you're not going to change you opinion no matter what happens. Not going any further with this That's beside the point I was making, MMA has played much more matches than Polt in a shorter period of time Well why were you making that point in response to something where it was completely irrelevant? Plus, the competition at MLG was lolsworthy compared to anything in the GSL. The only GSL-Caliber players he faced was IdrA (who just rolled over and died), Losira (who is 0-4 against who? Hint: Polt), and July.
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I'm kind of annoyed that MMA only had to play Terrans to get to the final. (Lyn, Supernova, Ganzi, Ryung, MKP) and then a Terran in the final...
Lucky draw imo, TvT from what I've seen is his beast mode.
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massive mma fan but i'm really really sad for marineking here ;_;
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