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Zaffy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom128 Posts
June 13 2011 14:05 GMT
#3321
On June 13 2011 23:03 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 23:01 gladsheim wrote:
I wonder what boxer said to MMA when he was+ Show Spoiler +
0-2

Win 3 games. Don't lose any. Now.



=D
waffles
bucckevin
Profile Joined April 2011
858 Posts
June 13 2011 14:05 GMT
#3322
On June 13 2011 23:01 gladsheim wrote:
I wonder what boxer said to MMA when he was+ Show Spoiler +
0-2



I'll let you have slayers_jessica tonight if you win out lol
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
June 13 2011 14:05 GMT
#3323
On June 13 2011 22:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 22:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 13 2011 21:56 Kitaen wrote:
moreover polt prolly plays the best tvp in the world right now

that alone would earn him a rightful place in the finals - and then, start looking at his results, polt didn't have a single "free win" round

he faced losira, huk, maka, alicia and now top - at least 3 of them are super experts at their vs t matchup - making his wins even more of an accomplishment

i dunno, i we cant really make a judgement on how good his TvP is until he plays against a good protoss. The only 2 good protoss he has played against are Alicia and MC. In the MC games, MC did a nexus first into robo, and lost to MM pressure, game 2, well the exact same thing happened.

Against alicia, alicia just simply played badly.

Im not saying polt is bad in TvP, i just think its unfair to say he has the best TvP in the world when he hasnt beaten a good protoss yet. The only times he has played against a good protoss (and they didnt fail horribly), he lost miserably (ace and choya)


lolwut

He lost to Choya 6 months ago. Ever since he graduated from Seoul University his only loss in TvP has been against Ace in the Asia Champions Trophy, which btw he's won twice. And the fact that you cite Choya as a good protoss shows how pathetic your argument is.

Alicia didn't play badly at all. People need to stop listening to Artosis when he confuses his feelings as a spectator with his analysis as a player. Alicia made small mistakes that Polt turned into big advantages but he never threw away a single game.

Everyone refuses to believe it but here it is: Polt is currently the best Terran in the world. And yes, he intentionally cuts SCVs for his pushes.


I agreed with everything you said until that last statement. I agree that Polt is a monster but to say he's the best? We need to see him beat more S-class players before we go that far, until then MVP/MMA/MKP will be the best.
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
June 13 2011 14:06 GMT
#3324
I love the irony in this whole situation of people hating on Polt.

People criticize Polt for not deserving his wins or being in the finals.

uhhh MMA got to the finals on ONLY TvT WITH TWO TEAMKILLS

But seriously people are really pathetic in their Polt hating.
MKP||TSL
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
June 13 2011 14:08 GMT
#3325
On June 13 2011 23:05 bucckevin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 23:01 gladsheim wrote:
I wonder what boxer said to MMA when he was+ Show Spoiler +
0-2



I'll let you have slayers_jessica tonight if you win out lol

Pimping out the Empress? Not in a trillion years.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 14:10:25
June 13 2011 14:09 GMT
#3326
On June 13 2011 23:06 mikyaJ wrote:
uhhh MMA got to the finals on ONLY TvT WITH TWO TEAMKILLS


You're making it sound like having to go through Ryung and GanZi somehow made it easier for him. -_-

TvT isn't even his best match-up. Well, maybe it is after going through this many Terrans, but it wasn't to begin with. =P
sCfO20
Profile Joined May 2011
176 Posts
June 13 2011 14:09 GMT
#3327
damn man, little bummed that the second series turned out the way it did.

IMO, current finals will be extremely one sided. MMA looks mfin solid like a roch.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
June 13 2011 14:10 GMT
#3328
On June 13 2011 22:12 ckast wrote:
tbh i do think MMA is a better than polt.
but sometimes MMA chokes and polt doesn't. so if MMA chokes, polt wins
and i'm rooting for POLT! he is good at studying + playing at the same time(i love Nada but you see he study + play and both not doing well). he is a fxxking intelligent guy that deserves our respect.


MMA chokes? What? This guy has only won the last two GSTLs in the Ace match for SlayerS...

I dunno if I'd call his Code A performance choking either. He failed a 1 base all in then died to a proxy 4 Gate.
wat
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 14:13:43
June 13 2011 14:12 GMT
#3329
On June 13 2011 23:09 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 23:06 mikyaJ wrote:
uhhh MMA got to the finals on ONLY TvT WITH TWO TEAMKILLS


You're making it sound like having to go through Ryung and GanZi somehow made it easier for him. -_-

It's easier than facing Alicia, Top, and Losira.

Ganzi is 4-9 in TvT, and Ryung is 12-10, but because of every single player on SlayerS being overrated, they're AMAZING.

Plus facing teammates may not be desirable for players but it sure is easier for some people. You will rarely ever see a teammate upset another teammate, like San over NesTea. Not Seed over NesTea (just an example do show what I mean don't take this as anything ffs)
MKP||TSL
bucckevin
Profile Joined April 2011
858 Posts
June 13 2011 14:13 GMT
#3330
Polt is good but he's a tier below the top 4 terran. MVP, Bomber, MarineKing, MMA. MMA will be the favorite and I expect him to win 4-2 or 4-1. Polt can surprise us all tho, especially if he gets some good early banshee harass. If it gets to late game, MMA should win.
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
June 13 2011 14:13 GMT
#3331
On June 13 2011 23:10 Curu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 22:12 ckast wrote:
tbh i do think MMA is a better than polt.
but sometimes MMA chokes and polt doesn't. so if MMA chokes, polt wins
and i'm rooting for POLT! he is good at studying + playing at the same time(i love Nada but you see he study + play and both not doing well). he is a fxxking intelligent guy that deserves our respect.


MMA chokes? What? This guy has only won the last two GSTLs in the Ace match for SlayerS...

I dunno if I'd call his Code A performance choking either. He failed a 1 base all in then died to a proxy 4 Gate.


He's had some bad moments. His series against Huk may qualify as one but let's not try to say that he's unbeatable.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
June 13 2011 14:14 GMT
#3332
On June 13 2011 23:13 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 23:10 Curu wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:12 ckast wrote:
tbh i do think MMA is a better than polt.
but sometimes MMA chokes and polt doesn't. so if MMA chokes, polt wins
and i'm rooting for POLT! he is good at studying + playing at the same time(i love Nada but you see he study + play and both not doing well). he is a fxxking intelligent guy that deserves our respect.


MMA chokes? What? This guy has only won the last two GSTLs in the Ace match for SlayerS...

I dunno if I'd call his Code A performance choking either. He failed a 1 base all in then died to a proxy 4 Gate.


He's had some bad moments. His series against Huk may qualify as one but let's not try to say that he's unbeatable.


No one is saying he's unbeatable but to call him a choker is just ridiculous when he's consistently shown his nerves of steel.
wat
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
June 13 2011 14:15 GMT
#3333
Polt's worst trait in TvT it seems is the tank wars. Everything else he seems just as good as any other "Top" Terran, Bomber, Mvp, MMA, etc. The problem is is that Tank Wars are more often than not the most important thing.
MKP||TSL
process
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia9 Posts
June 13 2011 14:16 GMT
#3334
Really wanted MKP to win this one ):
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
June 13 2011 14:17 GMT
#3335
wow MMA...

and Polt looking really strong... Very surprising indeed.
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
June 13 2011 14:18 GMT
#3336
On June 13 2011 23:12 mikyaJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 23:09 Talin wrote:
On June 13 2011 23:06 mikyaJ wrote:
uhhh MMA got to the finals on ONLY TvT WITH TWO TEAMKILLS


You're making it sound like having to go through Ryung and GanZi somehow made it easier for him. -_-

It's easier than facing Alicia, Top, and Losira.

Ganzi is 4-9 in TvT, and Ryung is 12-10, but because of every single player on SlayerS being overrated, they're AMAZING.

Plus facing teammates may not be desirable for players but it sure is easier for some people. You will rarely ever see a teammate upset another teammate, like San over NesTea. Not Seed over NesTea (just an example do show what I mean don't take this as anything ffs)


So MMA's games at MLG don't count at all? To say Polt has faced more quality opposition recently is absurd

On June 13 2011 23:13 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 23:10 Curu wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:12 ckast wrote:
tbh i do think MMA is a better than polt.
but sometimes MMA chokes and polt doesn't. so if MMA chokes, polt wins
and i'm rooting for POLT! he is good at studying + playing at the same time(i love Nada but you see he study + play and both not doing well). he is a fxxking intelligent guy that deserves our respect.


MMA chokes? What? This guy has only won the last two GSTLs in the Ace match for SlayerS...

I dunno if I'd call his Code A performance choking either. He failed a 1 base all in then died to a proxy 4 Gate.


He's had some bad moments. His series against Huk may qualify as one but let's not try to say that he's unbeatable.


To keep bringing in the Up/Down matches isn't fair. He lost to MKP but beat him here, I doubt you'll find anyone that can reasonably say current MMA would lost to HuK
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
June 13 2011 14:18 GMT
#3337
On June 13 2011 23:12 mikyaJ wrote:
Ganzi is 4-9 in TvT, and Ryung is 12-10, but because of every single player on SlayerS being overrated, they're AMAZING.


Yup, let's use match-up statistics to prove a point about players' skill, especially when it's 20 games or less in a game as young and volatile as SC2 at this point. -_-

On June 13 2011 23:12 mikyaJ wrote:
they're AMAZING.


This part is true though. Sue them for actually having a serious team around them rather than a glorified group of practice partners.

At this rate, I can see SlayerS getting even more haters than SKT. I'd say that's a good sign.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
June 13 2011 14:20 GMT
#3338
On June 13 2011 23:05 Dakkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 22:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 13 2011 21:56 Kitaen wrote:
moreover polt prolly plays the best tvp in the world right now

that alone would earn him a rightful place in the finals - and then, start looking at his results, polt didn't have a single "free win" round

he faced losira, huk, maka, alicia and now top - at least 3 of them are super experts at their vs t matchup - making his wins even more of an accomplishment

i dunno, i we cant really make a judgement on how good his TvP is until he plays against a good protoss. The only 2 good protoss he has played against are Alicia and MC. In the MC games, MC did a nexus first into robo, and lost to MM pressure, game 2, well the exact same thing happened.

Against alicia, alicia just simply played badly.

Im not saying polt is bad in TvP, i just think its unfair to say he has the best TvP in the world when he hasnt beaten a good protoss yet. The only times he has played against a good protoss (and they didnt fail horribly), he lost miserably (ace and choya)


lolwut

He lost to Choya 6 months ago. Ever since he graduated from Seoul University his only loss in TvP has been against Ace in the Asia Champions Trophy, which btw he's won twice. And the fact that you cite Choya as a good protoss shows how pathetic your argument is.

Alicia didn't play badly at all. People need to stop listening to Artosis when he confuses his feelings as a spectator with his analysis as a player. Alicia made small mistakes that Polt turned into big advantages but he never threw away a single game.

Everyone refuses to believe it but here it is: Polt is currently the best Terran in the world. And yes, he intentionally cuts SCVs for his pushes.


I agreed with everything you said until that last statement. I agree that Polt is a monster but to say he's the best? We need to see him beat more S-class players before we go that far, until then MVP/MMA/MKP will be the best.


I said he's the best Terran in the world right now, not that he will remain the best. Mvp should be the best judging solely by skill but he's not here right now. MKP cannot be the best by definition since he almost always chokes when push comes to shove. MMA may be the best at the moment but even he showed some holes in his play at MLG Dallas, or did everyone magically forget that Sjow had him dead to rights on Shakuras and screwed it up? Or that Idra quit out of a game that he had in the bag and went on tilt afterwards?
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Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
June 13 2011 14:21 GMT
#3339
On June 13 2011 23:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 23:05 Dakkas wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On June 13 2011 22:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 13 2011 21:56 Kitaen wrote:
moreover polt prolly plays the best tvp in the world right now

that alone would earn him a rightful place in the finals - and then, start looking at his results, polt didn't have a single "free win" round

he faced losira, huk, maka, alicia and now top - at least 3 of them are super experts at their vs t matchup - making his wins even more of an accomplishment

i dunno, i we cant really make a judgement on how good his TvP is until he plays against a good protoss. The only 2 good protoss he has played against are Alicia and MC. In the MC games, MC did a nexus first into robo, and lost to MM pressure, game 2, well the exact same thing happened.

Against alicia, alicia just simply played badly.

Im not saying polt is bad in TvP, i just think its unfair to say he has the best TvP in the world when he hasnt beaten a good protoss yet. The only times he has played against a good protoss (and they didnt fail horribly), he lost miserably (ace and choya)


lolwut

He lost to Choya 6 months ago. Ever since he graduated from Seoul University his only loss in TvP has been against Ace in the Asia Champions Trophy, which btw he's won twice. And the fact that you cite Choya as a good protoss shows how pathetic your argument is.

Alicia didn't play badly at all. People need to stop listening to Artosis when he confuses his feelings as a spectator with his analysis as a player. Alicia made small mistakes that Polt turned into big advantages but he never threw away a single game.

Everyone refuses to believe it but here it is: Polt is currently the best Terran in the world. And yes, he intentionally cuts SCVs for his pushes.


I agreed with everything you said until that last statement. I agree that Polt is a monster but to say he's the best? We need to see him beat more S-class players before we go that far, until then MVP/MMA/MKP will be the best.


I said he's the best Terran in the world right now, not that he will remain the best. Mvp should be the best judging solely by skill but he's not here right now. MKP cannot be the best by definition since he almost always chokes when push comes to shove. MMA may be the best at the moment but even he showed some holes in his play at MLG Dallas, or did everyone magically forget that Sjow had him dead to rights on Shakuras and screwed it up? Or that Idra quit out of a game that he had in the bag and went on tilt afterwards?


Polt has not faced the amount of opposition that MMA has, you can't make that statement until you've seen Polt play similar level people
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 14:25:19
June 13 2011 14:22 GMT
#3340
MMA versus Polt. The winners life is going to change in a big way. We haven't had a new winner since MVP got his first title back in Code S 1

Also, anyone who still thinks Polt isn't elite is crazy. This finals is insanely good, the two hottest players in the world by FAR going head to head.
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