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On June 13 2011 23:21 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 23:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 23:05 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 22:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 22:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:On June 13 2011 21:56 Kitaen wrote:
moreover polt prolly plays the best tvp in the world right now
that alone would earn him a rightful place in the finals - and then, start looking at his results, polt didn't have a single "free win" round
he faced losira, huk, maka, alicia and now top - at least 3 of them are super experts at their vs t matchup - making his wins even more of an accomplishment i dunno, i we cant really make a judgement on how good his TvP is until he plays against a good protoss. The only 2 good protoss he has played against are Alicia and MC. In the MC games, MC did a nexus first into robo, and lost to MM pressure, game 2, well the exact same thing happened. Against alicia, alicia just simply played badly. Im not saying polt is bad in TvP, i just think its unfair to say he has the best TvP in the world when he hasnt beaten a good protoss yet. The only times he has played against a good protoss (and they didnt fail horribly), he lost miserably (ace and choya) lolwut He lost to Choya 6 months ago. Ever since he graduated from Seoul University his only loss in TvP has been against Ace in the Asia Champions Trophy, which btw he's won twice. And the fact that you cite Choya as a good protoss shows how pathetic your argument is. Alicia didn't play badly at all. People need to stop listening to Artosis when he confuses his feelings as a spectator with his analysis as a player. Alicia made small mistakes that Polt turned into big advantages but he never threw away a single game. Everyone refuses to believe it but here it is: Polt is currently the best Terran in the world. And yes, he intentionally cuts SCVs for his pushes. I agreed with everything you said until that last statement. I agree that Polt is a monster but to say he's the best? We need to see him beat more S-class players before we go that far, until then MVP/MMA/MKP will be the best. I said he's the best Terran in the world right now, not that he will remain the best. Mvp should be the best judging solely by skill but he's not here right now. MKP cannot be the best by definition since he almost always chokes when push comes to shove. MMA may be the best at the moment but even he showed some holes in his play at MLG Dallas, or did everyone magically forget that Sjow had him dead to rights on Shakuras and screwed it up? Or that Idra quit out of a game that he had in the bag and went on tilt afterwards? Polt has not faced the amount of opposition that MMA has, you can't make that statement until you've seen Polt play similar level people
The great thing about this argument is that it gets resolved in a couple of days.
Patience!
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United States15275 Posts
On June 13 2011 23:21 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 23:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 23:05 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 22:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 22:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:On June 13 2011 21:56 Kitaen wrote:
moreover polt prolly plays the best tvp in the world right now
that alone would earn him a rightful place in the finals - and then, start looking at his results, polt didn't have a single "free win" round
he faced losira, huk, maka, alicia and now top - at least 3 of them are super experts at their vs t matchup - making his wins even more of an accomplishment i dunno, i we cant really make a judgement on how good his TvP is until he plays against a good protoss. The only 2 good protoss he has played against are Alicia and MC. In the MC games, MC did a nexus first into robo, and lost to MM pressure, game 2, well the exact same thing happened. Against alicia, alicia just simply played badly. Im not saying polt is bad in TvP, i just think its unfair to say he has the best TvP in the world when he hasnt beaten a good protoss yet. The only times he has played against a good protoss (and they didnt fail horribly), he lost miserably (ace and choya) lolwut He lost to Choya 6 months ago. Ever since he graduated from Seoul University his only loss in TvP has been against Ace in the Asia Champions Trophy, which btw he's won twice. And the fact that you cite Choya as a good protoss shows how pathetic your argument is. Alicia didn't play badly at all. People need to stop listening to Artosis when he confuses his feelings as a spectator with his analysis as a player. Alicia made small mistakes that Polt turned into big advantages but he never threw away a single game. Everyone refuses to believe it but here it is: Polt is currently the best Terran in the world. And yes, he intentionally cuts SCVs for his pushes. I agreed with everything you said until that last statement. I agree that Polt is a monster but to say he's the best? We need to see him beat more S-class players before we go that far, until then MVP/MMA/MKP will be the best. I said he's the best Terran in the world right now, not that he will remain the best. Mvp should be the best judging solely by skill but he's not here right now. MKP cannot be the best by definition since he almost always chokes when push comes to shove. MMA may be the best at the moment but even he showed some holes in his play at MLG Dallas, or did everyone magically forget that Sjow had him dead to rights on Shakuras and screwed it up? Or that Idra quit out of a game that he had in the bag and went on tilt afterwards? Polt has not faced the amount of opposition that MMA has, you can't make that statement until you've seen Polt play similar level people
Like Alicia and MC and TOP and Supernova and (underrated) Zenio and Losira? Being the bane of TheStC's TvT just like MC is to July's ZvP? Beating a great macro Terran in his (supposedly) weakest matchup?
Or were they all playing badly too? The argument cuts both ways.
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wtf happened?
+ Show Spoiler +i was watching MMA vs MKP before i went out and MKP just destroyed MMA in the first 2 games and i thought he was gonna take it 3-0. What on earth did MMA do right or MKP do wrong in games 3-5?
really wish you could watch vids without having to pay
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On June 13 2011 23:34 ThatGuy89 wrote:wtf happened? + Show Spoiler +i was watching MMA vs MKP before i went out and MKP just destroyed MMA in the first 2 games and i thought he was gonna take it 3-0. What on earth did MMA do right or MKP do wrong in games 3-5?
really wish you could watch vids without having to pay
MMA purposely put himself behind so he could win and entertain us at the same time. All part of his mind game....
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Woke up, went to watch the MKP vs MMA series and after the first 2 games I'm like: "lol mma totally choking, mkp's making him look like a scrub". 40 minutes later I can't believe what I'm seeing. MMA FIGHTING!
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On June 13 2011 21:36 L3g3nd_ wrote:
and polt wins yet another series he doesnt deserve.
haha
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To be honest I didn't think much of Polt before, but now, he's slowly improving and becoming better, and he's winning me over too. And MMA is my favorite terran right now, so I think the finals are gonna be pretty interesting.
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On June 13 2011 23:22 MajorityofOne wrote:
MMA versus Polt. The winners life is going to change in a big way. We haven't had a new winner since MVP got his first title back in Code S 1
Also, anyone who still thinks Polt isn't elite is crazy. This finals is insanely good, the two hottest players in the world by FAR going head to head.
Well, I would disagree. Polt's good don't get me wrong but he ain't one of the "hottest players in the world". Felt like MMA vs. MKP shoulda been the finals :\
MMA vs. Polt should still be a pretty good matchup though and most likely will be one of the best GSL finals we've ever had.
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On June 13 2011 23:22 MajorityofOne wrote:
MMA versus Polt. The winners life is going to change in a big way. We haven't had a new winner since MVP got his first title back in Code S 1
Also, anyone who still thinks Polt isn't elite is crazy. This finals is insanely good, the two hottest players in the world by FAR going head to head.
Disagree. I think Rainbow is more handsome than Polt and we won't even go into BW and Bisu.
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On June 13 2011 22:58 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 22:49 worosei wrote:
I think it's conclusively proven...
That If you want to be a top Terran player in Sc2, u need to have ur name start with M and be able to be shortened to 3 letters:
MMA
MVP
MKP
Evidently, the more 'M's the better.
Nope, I'm pretty sure a V is required to really be the most successful terran.
Apparently MMP is the best ID combining the popular M & P
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On June 13 2011 23:45 I)etox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 23:22 MajorityofOne wrote:
MMA versus Polt. The winners life is going to change in a big way. We haven't had a new winner since MVP got his first title back in Code S 1
Also, anyone who still thinks Polt isn't elite is crazy. This finals is insanely good, the two hottest players in the world by FAR going head to head. Well, I would disagree. Polt's good don't get me wrong but he ain't one of the "hottest players in the world". Felt like MMA vs. MKP shoulda been the finals :\ MMA vs. Polt should still be a pretty good matchup though and most likely will be one of the best GSL finals we've ever had.
He's 41-15 since losing to Jinro way back when
He's beaten Losira, Huk, Alicia, and TOP to get to the finals
And he's ranked second in ELO, behind only Bomber
Only person more on fire than Polt right now is MMA
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marine... king... 
that should have been the finals.
Well looks like another one sided finals lol gg at MLG then flying back to korea and taking that.
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On June 13 2011 23:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 23:21 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 23:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 23:05 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 22:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 22:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:On June 13 2011 21:56 Kitaen wrote:
moreover polt prolly plays the best tvp in the world right now
that alone would earn him a rightful place in the finals - and then, start looking at his results, polt didn't have a single "free win" round
he faced losira, huk, maka, alicia and now top - at least 3 of them are super experts at their vs t matchup - making his wins even more of an accomplishment i dunno, i we cant really make a judgement on how good his TvP is until he plays against a good protoss. The only 2 good protoss he has played against are Alicia and MC. In the MC games, MC did a nexus first into robo, and lost to MM pressure, game 2, well the exact same thing happened. Against alicia, alicia just simply played badly. Im not saying polt is bad in TvP, i just think its unfair to say he has the best TvP in the world when he hasnt beaten a good protoss yet. The only times he has played against a good protoss (and they didnt fail horribly), he lost miserably (ace and choya) lolwut He lost to Choya 6 months ago. Ever since he graduated from Seoul University his only loss in TvP has been against Ace in the Asia Champions Trophy, which btw he's won twice. And the fact that you cite Choya as a good protoss shows how pathetic your argument is. Alicia didn't play badly at all. People need to stop listening to Artosis when he confuses his feelings as a spectator with his analysis as a player. Alicia made small mistakes that Polt turned into big advantages but he never threw away a single game. Everyone refuses to believe it but here it is: Polt is currently the best Terran in the world. And yes, he intentionally cuts SCVs for his pushes. I agreed with everything you said until that last statement. I agree that Polt is a monster but to say he's the best? We need to see him beat more S-class players before we go that far, until then MVP/MMA/MKP will be the best. I said he's the best Terran in the world right now, not that he will remain the best. Mvp should be the best judging solely by skill but he's not here right now. MKP cannot be the best by definition since he almost always chokes when push comes to shove. MMA may be the best at the moment but even he showed some holes in his play at MLG Dallas, or did everyone magically forget that Sjow had him dead to rights on Shakuras and screwed it up? Or that Idra quit out of a game that he had in the bag and went on tilt afterwards? Polt has not faced the amount of opposition that MMA has, you can't make that statement until you've seen Polt play similar level people Like Alicia and MC and TOP and Supernova and (underrated) Zenio and Losira? Being the bane of TheStC's TvT just like MC is to July's ZvP? Beating a great macro Terran in his (supposedly) weakest matchup? Or were they all playing badly too? The argument cuts both ways. \
Alicia and MC I'll give. TOP and Supernova are great but not at the calibre of MVP and MKP. DonRaeGu is better than Zenio and look at the people MMA beat at Columbus. About MC though, he did a good job beating him and all the stronger that makes him but you cannot deny that MC contributed to his own downfall with his BO.
Either way, this is beside the point. You said he is the best terran in the world. This statement cannot be made until he faces more of the S-class players like MMA has
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On June 13 2011 22:49 worosei wrote:
I think it's conclusively proven...
That If you want to be a top Terran player in Sc2, u need to have ur name start with M and be able to be shortened to 3 letters:
MMA
MVP
MKP
Evidently, the more 'M's the better.
Would've been mildly amusing if all of them were actual ID's of players. And on top of that i think it's quite unfair to say that MMA is the best out of the three you listed.
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so, MMA can win the whole tournament by playing TvT only? has this happened before?
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On June 13 2011 23:12 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 23:09 Talin wrote:On June 13 2011 23:06 mikyaJ wrote:
uhhh MMA got to the finals on ONLY TvT WITH TWO TEAMKILLS You're making it sound like having to go through Ryung and GanZi somehow made it easier for him. -_- It's easier than facing Alicia, Top, and Losira. Ganzi is 4-9 in TvT, and Ryung is 12-10, but because of every single player on SlayerS being overrated, they're AMAZING. Plus facing teammates may not be desirable for players but it sure is easier for some people. You will rarely ever see a teammate upset another teammate, like San over NesTea. Not Seed over NesTea (just an example do show what I mean don't take this as anything ffs)
you argue by taking credit away from mma, which he truely deserves!
ganzi and ryung easier enemies?are u fucking kiddin me?u shouldnt post winrates blindly and think "omg i wish i am right"....DUDE ganzi took out mvp and had lots of good resudlts lately (gstl) hes a damn strong opponent.... and ryung? he....is...a...terran....SNIPER for fucks sake! mma deserves at least as much credit as polt does!
"slayers overrated" you good sir are a big bad troll
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MarineKing losing makes me a sadnana. Not taking anything away from MMA, just wish MKP would finally win something!
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United States15275 Posts
On June 14 2011 00:08 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 23:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 23:21 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 23:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 23:05 Dakkas wrote:On June 13 2011 22:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 13 2011 22:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:On June 13 2011 21:56 Kitaen wrote:
moreover polt prolly plays the best tvp in the world right now
that alone would earn him a rightful place in the finals - and then, start looking at his results, polt didn't have a single "free win" round
he faced losira, huk, maka, alicia and now top - at least 3 of them are super experts at their vs t matchup - making his wins even more of an accomplishment i dunno, i we cant really make a judgement on how good his TvP is until he plays against a good protoss. The only 2 good protoss he has played against are Alicia and MC. In the MC games, MC did a nexus first into robo, and lost to MM pressure, game 2, well the exact same thing happened. Against alicia, alicia just simply played badly. Im not saying polt is bad in TvP, i just think its unfair to say he has the best TvP in the world when he hasnt beaten a good protoss yet. The only times he has played against a good protoss (and they didnt fail horribly), he lost miserably (ace and choya) lolwut He lost to Choya 6 months ago. Ever since he graduated from Seoul University his only loss in TvP has been against Ace in the Asia Champions Trophy, which btw he's won twice. And the fact that you cite Choya as a good protoss shows how pathetic your argument is. Alicia didn't play badly at all. People need to stop listening to Artosis when he confuses his feelings as a spectator with his analysis as a player. Alicia made small mistakes that Polt turned into big advantages but he never threw away a single game. Everyone refuses to believe it but here it is: Polt is currently the best Terran in the world. And yes, he intentionally cuts SCVs for his pushes. I agreed with everything you said until that last statement. I agree that Polt is a monster but to say he's the best? We need to see him beat more S-class players before we go that far, until then MVP/MMA/MKP will be the best. I said he's the best Terran in the world right now, not that he will remain the best. Mvp should be the best judging solely by skill but he's not here right now. MKP cannot be the best by definition since he almost always chokes when push comes to shove. MMA may be the best at the moment but even he showed some holes in his play at MLG Dallas, or did everyone magically forget that Sjow had him dead to rights on Shakuras and screwed it up? Or that Idra quit out of a game that he had in the bag and went on tilt afterwards? Polt has not faced the amount of opposition that MMA has, you can't make that statement until you've seen Polt play similar level people Like Alicia and MC and TOP and Supernova and (underrated) Zenio and Losira? Being the bane of TheStC's TvT just like MC is to July's ZvP? Beating a great macro Terran in his (supposedly) weakest matchup? Or were they all playing badly too? The argument cuts both ways. \ Alicia and MC I'll give. TOP and Supernova are great but not at the calibre of MVP and MKP. DonRaeGu is better than Zenio and look at the people MMA beat at Columbus. About MC though, he did a good job beating him and all the stronger that makes him but you cannot deny that MC contributed to his own downfall with his BO. Either way, this is beside the point. You said he is the best terran in the world. This statement cannot be made until he faces more of the S-class players like MMA has
DongRaeGu beat MC, MarineKing, Nada, and Supernova in Bo1s and now he's better than Zenio. No, that is terrible logic. Just because MMA beats Mvp once does not mean he is on Mvp's level either. Despite all the hype surrounding his success in the Team League, none of that guaranteed that he would be successful in tournaments. In fact a lot of the flak he got after losing to HuK was along the lines of "He's just a GSTL all-star, he can't compete with the big boys." Now everyone thinks he's gosu but that came after he proved himself at MLG and in the Super Tournament. All the GSTL tells you is who is good in the GSTL, and by extension who could be good in the GSL.
Taking advantage of mistakes is the sign of a good player.
Yes, I think he is slighter better than MMA at the moment because his success has been over a longer period of time. Also with the exception of MKP and July he's faced the same level of opponents as MMA and beaten them, and over various matchups as well. If MMA wins the Super Tournament people will say that he got by on the strength of his TvT, and that's pretty undeniable. His TvP has been largely untested, and the few wins he got at Columbus were against Optikzero (mid-tier) and Kiwikaki (heavily slumping).
I'm sorry but the claim that Polt hasn't faced the same level of opposition is blatantly false.
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nooooooo mkp this was your tourney to win i guess theres always next code s
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No MKP T_T. I'm confident that Polt will avenge him and destroy MMA like Maka destroyed sC, because MKP knows how they play  .
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