• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 01:35
CET 07:35
KST 15:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation12Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
Zerg is losing its identity in StarCraft 2 Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune｜Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ What happened to TvZ on Retro? SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2114 users

MLG Day 1 Red Stream Thread - Page 80

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 78 79 80 81 82 135 Next
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 04 2011 01:19 GMT
#1581
On June 04 2011 10:18 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:16 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:15 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:14 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:13 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:12 Drazerk wrote:
Game One has restarted

In the Bottom right corner position is Incontrol

While located in the bottom left is Losira


2:00

Pool first then gas for losira

Forge from incontrol with a pylon at losira's natural


3:30

2 cannons in Losira's natural with one in his own

Incontrol then blocks the Third base


4:30

Losira has taken the natural at the top left position while incontrol has taken his natural


6:40

Losira takes a third base at his natural after killing the cannon contain


7:10

Lings get into incontrol's main and starts to attack probes


9:00

Incontrol cleans the attack up

Roach warren now on the way


10:00

Twilight council on the way for Incontrol along with +1 armour

Roaches and +1 melee for losira with a in base hatch
Criptos
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada128 Posts
June 04 2011 01:19 GMT
#1582
Normally I don't bitch about the lack of lan, but watching lag issues pop up at nearly every MLG, TSL3 Finals, and many other tournaments. It's starting to be a lil' too much for me to "not care". I understand they did it for pirating purposes (at least one of the major reasons). But honestly, imho, the vast majority of players that are going to purchase and play SC2 have already bought it. I

If blizz truly wants to support E-sports it's time to step it up. Could a LAN / Tournament edition not work, and just release it to established teams / tournaments.
Yeah, They call me the hiphop-potamus My lyrics are bottomless.
PSA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States243 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 01:20:39
June 04 2011 01:19 GMT
#1583
Come on inC, you got this buddy!

Drazerk you are a champ for the LR you have been doing. You rock dude!
Huge fan of EG! Go IdrA, Huk, Puma, and all others. GO ASU SUN DEVILS!
FlyingZergling
Profile Joined December 2010
81 Posts
June 04 2011 01:20 GMT
#1584
On June 04 2011 10:10 Vimsey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 10:00 Klogon wrote:
On June 04 2011 09:55 Fubi wrote:
On June 04 2011 09:42 FlyingZergling wrote:
On June 04 2011 09:37 Fubi wrote:
How does the extended series rule even remotely make any sense?

It's to ensure that a player actually wins more than the other player before he gets past them. Observe.

Idra-MC 2-0. [Bo3]
Idra has won twice.

If they meet again later and have another Bo3:
Idra-MC 2-0. [Bo3]
Idra-MC 4-0 total
Idra has won four times.

Nothing wrong there. But what if MC wins the second time?

Idra-MC 0-2. [Bo3]
Idra-MC 2-2 total
Idra has won twice and MC has won twice. Wait, they're even. Why is MC advancing?

See the logic?

Ok, now do it with the extended series rule.
Idra-MC 2-0. [Bo3]
Idra has won twice.

Idra-MC 2-0. [Bo7 Idra 2-0+]
Idra-MC 4-0 total
Idra has won four times. Ok.

And again, what happens if MC starts winning in the best of 7?

Idra-MC 2-0. [Bo7 Idra 2-0+]
Idra-MC 2-4 total
Idra has won two times. MC has won 4 times. MC won more, so he deserves to advance.

But the logic would only make sense if the whole tournament encompasses these two players. In reality you must consider the tournament as a whole.

If player A beats player B, player A is rewarded by advancing, player B is punished by being put into the loser's bracket. Player B won 0 set, lost 1, Player A won 1 set, lost 0 at this point. They are already rewarded and punished accordingly to their result at this point.

Now, if player A loses to player C in the winner's bracket, player A is punished by being put into the loser's. If player B advances in the losers to meet player A, they are now both on even grounds. Player A has 1 win 1 loss, player B has 1 win 1 loss. Why should player A get an advantage over player B at this point?


Very well put. Although the system is flawed, hopefully everything else runs smoothly.
I dont like extended series but this example player C could be the best player of the tournament and Player A has already beaten player B so that is not the same to me. The problem I have with it is where when you get to the final stages and often a loser is in the group stage or the semi final of the winners bracket. I would like a full series for the latter rounds.


Right. The logic isn't infalliable. It's simply attempting to pre-empt "who the better player" is. If A proved himself better than B a day ago, there's not much that could have changed in that time. It wouldn't be as entertaining to watch A win 4 more times. That's also one of the lines of logic.

If in a nonextended series A and B fight and go 2-0, and then they fight later and go 4-0, A had to win 6 games. If in that same universe A and B went 2-0 at first but then later fought and went 0-4, B only had to win 4 times. You see, B could have just thrown his games against A and it wouldn't have mattered. Using that logic, there's no reason for them to fight harder other than the threat of elimination faster later. If they fight their hardest, A still has to have won 6 games overall and B still has to have won 4 games overall. That's not fair- that almost punishes A for winning.

If you use the extended series logic, when A and B meet later A either wins twice and has won 4 times overall, or B wins 4 times and has won 4 times overall.
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
June 04 2011 01:20 GMT
#1585
I had to restart my internet so I was gone for 15 min, when I left it was the first game and intcontrol ahd blocked the bottoms of the zergs ramp with cannons. now that I am back it seems like time has stood still but they are in different spots... at the top is says the series is 0-0?
Lolsss
Profile Joined April 2011
England106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 01:22:08
June 04 2011 01:20 GMT
#1586
On June 04 2011 10:13 Malstriks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 10:12 Lolsss wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:10 fatkid wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:10 Lolsss wrote:
If ur keyboard breaks u shouldnt get a restart u should get a d/q.

Your keyboard, your problem. makes no sense :/


Seriously ?

A player can't magically repair his keyboard.


Why is it the opponents problem if u bring a shit keyboard? :/


a keyboard is like a tennis racquet. you don't just lose a tennis match if you break a racquet, you replace it.


lol?

if we are comparing it to sports...?

a keyboard is closer to a bmx - if u break it u lose lol


and even if it was like tennis - if u break ur raquet u lose the point but certainly dont restart the set... ?
mpf189
Profile Joined March 2011
332 Posts
June 04 2011 01:20 GMT
#1587
oh man, inctrol should have seen that coming...
RumZ
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States956 Posts
June 04 2011 01:20 GMT
#1588
2 Things:

1) if that spot for incontrol was able to get a unit in, why isn't that ledge transparent?
2) Why do you restart the game for a keyboard problem? He isn't using USB?
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 04 2011 01:20 GMT
#1589
On June 04 2011 10:19 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 10:18 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:16 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:15 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:14 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:13 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:12 Drazerk wrote:
Game One has restarted

In the Bottom right corner position is Incontrol

While located in the bottom left is Losira


2:00

Pool first then gas for losira

Forge from incontrol with a pylon at losira's natural


3:30

2 cannons in Losira's natural with one in his own

Incontrol then blocks the Third base


4:30

Losira has taken the natural at the top left position while incontrol has taken his natural


6:40

Losira takes a third base at his natural after killing the cannon contain


7:10

Lings get into incontrol's main and starts to attack probes


9:00

Incontrol cleans the attack up

Roach warren now on the way


10:00

Twilight council on the way for Incontrol along with +1 armour

Roaches and +1 melee for losira with a in base hatch



12:00

Incontrol is leaving a huge gap in incontrol's wall as he moves out

lings back into his base
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
June 04 2011 01:20 GMT
#1590
Oh no he loses the robo...
o choro é livre
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
June 04 2011 01:21 GMT
#1591
...Damn INcontrol...
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
June 04 2011 01:21 GMT
#1592
On June 04 2011 10:18 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 10:17 teamsolid wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:11 DystopiaX wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:09 Sceptor87 wrote:
On June 04 2011 09:58 fatkid wrote:
On June 04 2011 09:56 Jayrod wrote:
On June 04 2011 09:54 Sceptor87 wrote:
This is the second time at MLG alone that BNet has decided to take a shit.

Hey Blizzard, thanks for the fantastic game that you obviously have no fucking idea with what you're doing.

Why are you even watching?


Because he wants to WATCH the game but is frustrated by the lack of LAN support?
Bingo.

There is no reason why, at this point in the lifespan of the game, they couldn't implement LAN. Especially when Blizzard is trying to get aboard the "e-Sports" train. The whole piracy argument is stupid. People will still pirate the game if they want, which is why last year SC2 had something like 3 million illegal downloads.

At this point it's either ignorance or sloth on their end, there is no other reason.

It makes piracy a hell of a lot harder though cause you'd still need to get/fake a bnet account. That 3mil could be a lot more.

Yea, but that's Activision bullshit type thinking. BW and War3 did just fine with LAN mode being available.

And were still pirated millions of times.


Irrelevant, they both had two of the largest followings around the world. The implementation of LAN didn't lead to the pirating of those games, the games themselves did. They wouldn't have done any better without LAN, in fact they would've done worth because tournaments would have less credibility. If BW and WC3 hadn't had such followings (thanks to LAN) than SC2 wouldn't be doing NEARLY as well as it is now.
Hi.
Crisco
Profile Joined March 2011
1170 Posts
June 04 2011 01:21 GMT
#1593
losira is amazing
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 04 2011 01:21 GMT
#1594
Oh this is hard to watch.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
June 04 2011 01:21 GMT
#1595
Losira getting so much value out of his units.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 04 2011 01:21 GMT
#1596
On June 04 2011 10:20 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 10:19 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:18 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:16 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:15 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:14 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:13 Drazerk wrote:
On June 04 2011 10:12 Drazerk wrote:
Game One has restarted

In the Bottom right corner position is Incontrol

While located in the bottom left is Losira


2:00

Pool first then gas for losira

Forge from incontrol with a pylon at losira's natural


3:30

2 cannons in Losira's natural with one in his own

Incontrol then blocks the Third base


4:30

Losira has taken the natural at the top left position while incontrol has taken his natural


6:40

Losira takes a third base at his natural after killing the cannon contain


7:10

Lings get into incontrol's main and starts to attack probes


9:00

Incontrol cleans the attack up

Roach warren now on the way


10:00

Twilight council on the way for Incontrol along with +1 armour

Roaches and +1 melee for losira with a in base hatch



12:00

Incontrol is leaving a huge gap in incontrol's wall as he moves out

lings back into his base


13:30

Incontrol cleans the attack but loses the robo

Hydras on the way for Losira
tymt
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden293 Posts
June 04 2011 01:22 GMT
#1597
wheat blow your nose!
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
June 04 2011 01:22 GMT
#1598
,Losira is going to clean incontrol up.

As it should be!
Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
June 04 2011 01:22 GMT
#1599
The irony:

MLG's stream is up and running smoothly so they can emphasize how much we wish Blizzard had put in LAN.
Harrow
Profile Joined November 2010
United States245 Posts
June 04 2011 01:22 GMT
#1600
Anyone else think the player cams look like Dragoon portraits from BW?
Prev 1 78 79 80 81 82 135 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
20:30
Best Games of SC
Serral vs Clem
Solar vs Cure
Serral vs Clem
Reynor vs GuMiho
herO vs Cure
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
19:00
Masters Cup #150: Group B
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 216
StarCraft: Brood War
actioN 592
Leta 281
yabsab 97
Larva 94
EffOrt 46
Bale 9
Dota 2
monkeys_forever544
NeuroSwarm109
League of Legends
JimRising 654
Other Games
summit1g15018
fl0m581
WinterStarcraft390
Fuzer 191
ViBE164
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick474
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 36
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt547
• HappyZerGling118
Other Games
• Scarra1364
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3h 25m
RSL Revival
3h 25m
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
5h 25m
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs TBD
WardiTV Korean Royale
5h 25m
BSL 21
13h 25m
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
13h 25m
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
16h 25m
Wardi Open
1d 5h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 10h
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL: GosuLeague
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
BSL: GosuLeague
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.