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On December 10 2011 14:32 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:30 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:25 quancer wrote:On December 10 2011 14:22 KalWarkov wrote:On December 10 2011 14:20 quancer wrote:Honestly, the Lyn vs Sky series was so much better than the SC2 games I've seen today and almost all week. SC2 may have all the money in esports right now, but it has such a long way to go as a competitive title. You can see how much more mature WC3 is in comparison--though obviously maturity should be expected from a dying game.  Well, you have to take into concideration that a) you arent used to see highlvl wc3 as often anymore, therefore you are more excited and happy b) Wc3 is much more developed then sc2 is currently, its just like with BW, BW games are for some people more exciting as well. Yes, you're 100% correct. We're making the same point though. SC2 is obviously, obviously underdeveloped compared to BW, but watching WC3 again was also an eye-opening reminder that, even though SC2 is full of money, it's also underdeveloped compared to many other games, WC3 included. The casting of WC 3 helps a lot. Apollo is an excellent WC 3 caster - the Tastosis or Day9 of WC 3, if you will, and he drops knowledge bombs like no tomorrow that make you appreciate the game. If it wasn't Apollo casting people would probably be like "wtf is going on on my screen? gg what?" Rotterdam, not Apollo  Apollo comes from C&C
Haha, right, don't know why I said Apollo.
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On December 10 2011 14:32 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:28 kanu_knl wrote:
There is only 25% of MVP winning gold. If he does not, then this will be the first WCG that a Korean does not get gold in Starcraft.
I'm so excited. mvp is not equal with the others in term of skills. I think he got 94% of winning, each of those three has 2% hope mvp takes this, or sc2 may become a laughing stock in korea
Yeah by my calculation since his korean, you should at least times his odd by 100
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On December 10 2011 14:34 windsupernova wrote:
Actually, I think I am ok with a foreigner winning WCG.maybe that will hurt the Korean pride enough so that they focus 100% of their efforts in being so ahead of the foreigners that something like this will never happen.
Remember WCG 2011
next year the Koreans will bring the guns to the knife fight for SC2. I hope the current crop of pros in Sc2 and foreigners can handle the siege that will take place next year.
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On December 10 2011 14:30 nofacej wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:22 mordk wrote:On December 10 2011 14:18 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:17 KalWarkov wrote:On December 10 2011 14:14 mordk wrote:On December 10 2011 14:13 Seeker wrote:On December 10 2011 14:12 mordk wrote:
Well. MKP was playing like crap all tournament long.
Sad to see KR fail so hard With only 3 representatives...... it's hard for them to win it all. KR needed like 6 or 7 ppl representing These KR are top level, they are way beyond the competition, and certainly way beyond the people they lost to, maybe excepting Kas. Losing like this is a failure. especially since its in korea, not like most other confrontations between korea and foreigners. I think people are treating SC 2 like BW still. They think that the edge that Koreans have in SC 2 is so insurmountable that if they send 3 players to a tournament they'll get top 3. That's not the case, and this WCG just showed it. I'd agree with you if these players were Killer, Fruitdealer, and TOP. These are top terrans, on a top tier even by GSL standards. It's not just random Code A terrans. Completely disagree with the assertion that Supernova and MKP are top Terrans. They can be frightening on their best days, but are horribly inconsistent. Mvp is a top Terran and he will still probably win the tournament.
They are very inconsistent but are clearly Top 10 KR terrans, and it's common knowledge KR terrans > All. They aren't the very top terrans, but are certainly amongst the top.
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ya if only we could have seen tastosis cast wc3 again
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XiGua to take the tournament!
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On December 10 2011 14:36 nkulu wrote:
ya if only we could have seen tastosis cast wc3 again
Lol no. Thank god they didn't.
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On December 10 2011 14:34 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:14 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:12 ElephantBaby wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:06 ugapa wrote:
same reaction would have happened if the chinese won right? No fucking way But the kind of national passion they demonstrate is why Koreans do so well in eSports. People elsewhere just don't get it. Chinese fans are clearly more enthusiastic about WCG than Koreans. If Sky wins it in China, the place will go nuts. He was talking about the casters. Here on TL, there is a tendency to hold casters to a certain standard of neutrality. I'm just pointing out that this standard isn't respected elsewhere. Obviously fans are different. Fans will cheer for who they cheer for. lol I have never seen fans at TL cry about caster's neutrality before when it was in favor of foreigners.At least OGN casters admitted that they would be biased in favor of Koreans.
You must be new, welcome to the site.
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there were 56 players in this tournament and only three koreans, each of them made at least round of 8, regardless of what happens in the rest of the tournament that stat tells the story.
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On December 10 2011 14:33 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:32 hmsrenown wrote:On December 10 2011 14:24 KalWarkov wrote:On December 10 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 14:20 KalWarkov wrote:
Im happy for Kas showchasing how good he can be once.
Kind of proud as a European how the tournament went, you might say europe had the most participants, but most of them arent worth mentioning at all. Topplayers from each region are missing and europe does well. gj! Top contenders all around were missing, but the chinese have been stomping more than the europeans overall. Oh thats certainly true. Im still quite proud And yeah, im kind of used to see China AND Korea in another world/league from wc3 back then, so it doesnt surprise me at all - especially when we see Sky/Infi/Fly/TH000 making the switch. MacSed for example was a midlvl chinese human compared to the other chinese players... prolly rank 10 in china. and hes pretty damn good already It depends on where the money goes after this WCG. If WC3 is not a WCG game beyond this year, then yes the whole structure would shifte in China. It also depends how XiGua does in Semis. Pj was never a big draw at home, let's see if the up and coming XiGua can draw. If you think China won't hold a War3 tournament during the WCG (even if it's not an official WCG game next year) when the next two WCGs are held in China ... hahaha.
I think the Chinese WC 3 players will want revenge after losing two WC 3 WCGs to Koreans. This is not normal for Chinese WC 3, though this year Lyn just barely edged it out.
Then again, WCG doesn't make decisions just based on where it's held, either, or else there'd be Dota in every WCG held in China.
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I would say that MMA Lee knock, would have handled this field better thatn MKP and Supernova. Just that MMA and LeeNock didn't play their best during qualifiers.. So i am disappointed in MMA and Leenock for not qualifying for WCG. I mean 20,000 dollars is not chump change.. it's worth fighting for.
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Thorzain just needs to get back into the SlayerS house. With EG (read: Idra and Huk) there, he'll be the sharpest spoon in the world.
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Also, why doesn't Kas try for GSL? Man needs to go to Korea, he's got talent.
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On December 10 2011 14:34 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:14 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:12 ElephantBaby wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:06 ugapa wrote:
same reaction would have happened if the chinese won right? No fucking way But the kind of national passion they demonstrate is why Koreans do so well in eSports. People elsewhere just don't get it. Chinese fans are clearly more enthusiastic about WCG than Koreans. If Sky wins it in China, the place will go nuts. He was talking about the casters. Here on TL, there is a tendency to hold casters to a certain standard of neutrality. I'm just pointing out that this standard isn't respected elsewhere. Obviously fans are different. Fans will cheer for who they cheer for. lol I have never seen fans at TL cry about caster's neutrality before when it was in favor of foreigners. At least OGN casters admitted that they would be biased in favor of Koreans.
I cry about caster neutrality because those casters cast for a wide and diverse array of people, which is why player bias is so disturbing. If I'm watching Chilean national football team on Chilean national channels, I expect the casters to be mindblowingly biased towards Chile, if I'm watching Barcelona vs Manchester United on ESPN I expect casters to be neutral, since they're on cable TV casting for a wide audience.
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Hmm, if MVP somehow loses to Kas, I see XiGua taking the entire thing..
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On December 10 2011 14:35 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:30 nofacej wrote:On December 10 2011 14:22 mordk wrote:On December 10 2011 14:18 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:17 KalWarkov wrote:On December 10 2011 14:14 mordk wrote:On December 10 2011 14:13 Seeker wrote:On December 10 2011 14:12 mordk wrote:
Well. MKP was playing like crap all tournament long.
Sad to see KR fail so hard With only 3 representatives...... it's hard for them to win it all. KR needed like 6 or 7 ppl representing These KR are top level, they are way beyond the competition, and certainly way beyond the people they lost to, maybe excepting Kas. Losing like this is a failure. especially since its in korea, not like most other confrontations between korea and foreigners. I think people are treating SC 2 like BW still. They think that the edge that Koreans have in SC 2 is so insurmountable that if they send 3 players to a tournament they'll get top 3. That's not the case, and this WCG just showed it. I'd agree with you if these players were Killer, Fruitdealer, and TOP. These are top terrans, on a top tier even by GSL standards. It's not just random Code A terrans. Completely disagree with the assertion that Supernova and MKP are top Terrans. They can be frightening on their best days, but are horribly inconsistent. Mvp is a top Terran and he will still probably win the tournament. They are very inconsistent but are clearly Top 10 KR terrans, and it's common knowledge KR terrans > All. They aren't the very top terrans, but are certainly amongst the top.
Based on his results for the past 2 months, 2 months and a half, I consider SuperNoVa a top 5 Terran, especially considering he is solid in all 3 match ups.
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On December 10 2011 14:37 Leifish wrote:
Thorzain just needs to get back into the SlayerS house. With EG (read: Idra and Huk) there, he'll be the sharpest spoon in the world.
Actually I think he would be the dullest but most durable spoon in the world
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On December 10 2011 14:37 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:33 babylon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:32 hmsrenown wrote:On December 10 2011 14:24 KalWarkov wrote:On December 10 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 14:20 KalWarkov wrote:
Im happy for Kas showchasing how good he can be once.
Kind of proud as a European how the tournament went, you might say europe had the most participants, but most of them arent worth mentioning at all. Topplayers from each region are missing and europe does well. gj! Top contenders all around were missing, but the chinese have been stomping more than the europeans overall. Oh thats certainly true. Im still quite proud And yeah, im kind of used to see China AND Korea in another world/league from wc3 back then, so it doesnt surprise me at all - especially when we see Sky/Infi/Fly/TH000 making the switch. MacSed for example was a midlvl chinese human compared to the other chinese players... prolly rank 10 in china. and hes pretty damn good already It depends on where the money goes after this WCG. If WC3 is not a WCG game beyond this year, then yes the whole structure would shifte in China. It also depends how XiGua does in Semis. Pj was never a big draw at home, let's see if the up and coming XiGua can draw. If you think China won't hold a War3 tournament during the WCG (even if it's not an official WCG game next year) when the next two WCGs are held in China ... hahaha. I'm think the Chinese WC 3 players will want revenge after losing two WCGs to Koreans. This is not normal for Chinese WC 3, though this year Lyn just barely edged it out. Then again, WCG doesn't make decisions just based on where it's held, either, or else there'd be Dota in every WCG held in China.
Pride for the motherland, ftw. <3
I love China's enthusiasm for War3. Hopefully I'll get the chance to see a tournament live there in the future before it completely dies out.
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On December 10 2011 14:37 coloursheep wrote:
there were 56 players in this tournament and only three koreans, each of them made at least round of 8, regardless of what happens in the rest of the tournament that stat tells the story.
Same with China almost.
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