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On December 10 2011 14:38 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:34 NHY wrote:On December 10 2011 14:14 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:12 ElephantBaby wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:06 ugapa wrote:
same reaction would have happened if the chinese won right? No fucking way  But the kind of national passion they demonstrate is why Koreans do so well in eSports. People elsewhere just don't get it. Chinese fans are clearly more enthusiastic about WCG than Koreans. If Sky wins it in China, the place will go nuts. He was talking about the casters. Here on TL, there is a tendency to hold casters to a certain standard of neutrality. I'm just pointing out that this standard isn't respected elsewhere. Obviously fans are different. Fans will cheer for who they cheer for. lol I have never seen fans at TL cry about caster's neutrality before when it was in favor of foreigners. At least OGN casters admitted that they would be biased in favor of Koreans. I cry about caster neutrality because those casters cast for a wide and diverse array of people, which is why player bias is so disturbing. If I'm watching Chilean national football team on Chilean national channels, I expect the casters to be mindblowingly biased towards Chile, if I'm watching Barcelona vs Manchester United on ESPN I expect casters to be neutral, since they're on cable TV casting for a wide audience.
The ones casting for the wide audience were Rotterdam and his co-caster. Unless you speak Korean it really doesn't concern you what they say to their audience. And tbqh whenever djwheat or mr. bitter cast, they were always bias for foreigners and no one ever complained about it. I'm really disgusted at how much korean hate the online community has right now.
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On December 10 2011 14:42 flowSthead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:41 chatuka wrote:
top 5 terrans?
MVP
MMA
JJakji
Polt
Taeja
MKP.
Ganzi
I still have faith in Polt..but my confidence in him is on thin ice. SuperNoVa is probably better than Taeja and Polt, at least as good as MKP, and probably a little under Ganzi.
I definitely agree, but people will take the latest results to mean more. Are we forgetting that supernova just dominated his code A bracket 6-0 with 2 protosses in it? And he had to actually QUALIFY to be a korean representative by getting top 3. He's also 4-2 against DRG without all-ining. Polt doesn't deserve to be in the top 8 right now.
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On December 10 2011 14:38 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:34 NHY wrote:On December 10 2011 14:14 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:12 ElephantBaby wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:06 ugapa wrote:
same reaction would have happened if the chinese won right? No fucking way But the kind of national passion they demonstrate is why Koreans do so well in eSports. People elsewhere just don't get it. Chinese fans are clearly more enthusiastic about WCG than Koreans. If Sky wins it in China, the place will go nuts. He was talking about the casters. Here on TL, there is a tendency to hold casters to a certain standard of neutrality. I'm just pointing out that this standard isn't respected elsewhere. Obviously fans are different. Fans will cheer for who they cheer for. lol I have never seen fans at TL cry about caster's neutrality before when it was in favor of foreigners. At least OGN casters admitted that they would be biased in favor of Koreans. I cry about caster neutrality because those casters cast for a wide and diverse array of people, which is why player bias is so disturbing. If I'm watching Chilean national football team on Chilean national channels, I expect the casters to be mindblowingly biased towards Chile, if I'm watching Barcelona vs Manchester United on ESPN I expect casters to be neutral, since they're on cable TV casting for a wide audience.
They were casting for Koreans in Korea (+ .1% foreigners in Korea who understands Korean)
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On December 10 2011 14:40 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:38 flowSthead wrote:
Based on his results for the past 2 months, 2 months and a half, I consider SuperNoVa a top 5 Terran, especially considering he is solid in all 3 match ups. Not even close.
Based on what? thanks.
For those asking times, Xigua's match will be played in 20min and MVP vs Kas in 1h 20min on mainstage.
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So in 15 minutes the first semis will start?
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On December 10 2011 14:42 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:39 Dexington wrote:On December 10 2011 14:37 coloursheep wrote:
there were 56 players in this tournament and only three koreans, each of them made at least round of 8, regardless of what happens in the rest of the tournament that stat tells the story. Same with China almost. well... what if every top nation would send their top3 players - wouldve been a lot harder for the koreans. I mean: a lot of countries would look good if you enter their 3 big names in a mixed field of natinos from all over the world. Again: not saying korea isnt by far the strongest sc2 nation...
Korean didn't even send their top three and they all went round of 8+
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illsick
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when are the remaining games going to be played?
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On December 10 2011 14:35 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:30 nofacej wrote:On December 10 2011 14:22 mordk wrote:On December 10 2011 14:18 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:17 KalWarkov wrote:On December 10 2011 14:14 mordk wrote:On December 10 2011 14:13 Seeker wrote:On December 10 2011 14:12 mordk wrote:
Well. MKP was playing like crap all tournament long.
Sad to see KR fail so hard With only 3 representatives...... it's hard for them to win it all. KR needed like 6 or 7 ppl representing These KR are top level, they are way beyond the competition, and certainly way beyond the people they lost to, maybe excepting Kas. Losing like this is a failure. especially since its in korea, not like most other confrontations between korea and foreigners. I think people are treating SC 2 like BW still. They think that the edge that Koreans have in SC 2 is so insurmountable that if they send 3 players to a tournament they'll get top 3. That's not the case, and this WCG just showed it. I'd agree with you if these players were Killer, Fruitdealer, and TOP. These are top terrans, on a top tier even by GSL standards. It's not just random Code A terrans. Completely disagree with the assertion that Supernova and MKP are top Terrans. They can be frightening on their best days, but are horribly inconsistent. Mvp is a top Terran and he will still probably win the tournament. They are very inconsistent but are clearly Top 10 KR terrans, and it's common knowledge KR terrans > All. They aren't the very top terrans, but are certainly amongst the top.
I can see someone arguing for Supernova to scrape into the Top 10, but surely not MKP. He bounces between looking totally inept to very strong, but a top player should never look inept. The real measure of a top player is in how they lose. Take Mvp vs Leenock, and contrast it with any of MKP's losses. Now do the same for Leenock in Leenock vs Jjakji. Both Leenock and Mvp came off looking really good despite losing, and do so regularly - MKP very rarely does.
I also don't see the top 10 as being that impressive considering the rather small scale of the SC2 scene right now. You're a top Terran because you're in the top third of all professional Korean Terrans? I suppose the 10th ranked Zerg is a top Zerg as well even though we all know there's only 3 or 4 Zergs even worth talking about right now in Korea?
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On December 10 2011 14:47 V1ctor wrote:
So in 15 minutes the first semis will start?
I think they'll start when Crossfire is over on the Stage 2 Stream.
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omg, these questions are making me cringe. who's better hero vs leenock? what?
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SuperNoVa considers HerO better than Leenock but I wonder if that is during practice or in actual games. Leenock seems to handle his nerves better.
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On December 10 2011 14:48 GreyKnight wrote:omg, these questions are making me cringe. who's better hero vs leenock? what?
My teammate ofc....
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If MVP doesn't win it'll be such a huge blow to Korea. They never lost a WCG back in BW.
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On December 10 2011 14:45 AsianEcksDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:38 mordk wrote:On December 10 2011 14:34 NHY wrote:On December 10 2011 14:14 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:12 ElephantBaby wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 14:06 ugapa wrote:
same reaction would have happened if the chinese won right? No fucking way But the kind of national passion they demonstrate is why Koreans do so well in eSports. People elsewhere just don't get it. Chinese fans are clearly more enthusiastic about WCG than Koreans. If Sky wins it in China, the place will go nuts. He was talking about the casters. Here on TL, there is a tendency to hold casters to a certain standard of neutrality. I'm just pointing out that this standard isn't respected elsewhere. Obviously fans are different. Fans will cheer for who they cheer for. lol I have never seen fans at TL cry about caster's neutrality before when it was in favor of foreigners. At least OGN casters admitted that they would be biased in favor of Koreans. I cry about caster neutrality because those casters cast for a wide and diverse array of people, which is why player bias is so disturbing. If I'm watching Chilean national football team on Chilean national channels, I expect the casters to be mindblowingly biased towards Chile, if I'm watching Barcelona vs Manchester United on ESPN I expect casters to be neutral, since they're on cable TV casting for a wide audience. The ones casting for the wide audience were Rotterdam and his co-caster. Unless you speak Korean it really doesn't concern you what they say to their audience. And tbqh whenever djwheat or mr. bitter cast, they were always bias for foreigners and no one ever complained about it. I'm really disgusted at how much korean hate the online community has right now.
That's exactly what I said lol.
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On December 10 2011 14:47 illsick wrote:
when are the remaining games going to be played?
Same question!. Just missed everything thx to family reunion.
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On December 10 2011 14:42 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:39 xiaoxiamirc wrote:
Xi Gua hasn't lose any single game so far in the tournament. btw he's been playing 80game on Korea BN in recent month and got on No.1 for many times. for what category.. is it grandmaster? or just masters?
Of course grand masters....He used a fake ID and beat top Koreans for so many times...
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On December 10 2011 14:45 Leifish wrote:
It's so surprising how well the Chinese are doing. I swear, they're training in multi-billion dollar facilities in the shape of avian nests.
China takes the WCG super-seriously and will hardcore train for it.
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stork plays lol these days instead of wow and/or cell phone games
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