EPT[GSL] Grand Finals - Code S May - Page 213
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Quesa
United States304 Posts
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kasumimi
Greece460 Posts
On May 15 2011 00:31 Azuroz wrote: he humiliated nada 3-0, so i'd say he deserved the final spot, however nestea deserved the win. Winning against Nada with 1 base and cheesy play isn't humiliation. It's just a reflection the current state of the game (that everyone denies it's there) where a really skilled player can lose to a clearly inferior one. The inferior player makes it to the finals and get crushed. The result? A boring and uninteresting e-sport. | ||
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
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MattRz
Chile1680 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14199 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On May 15 2011 00:44 kasumimi wrote: Winning against Nada with 1 base and cheesy play isn't humiliation. It's just a reflection the current state of the game (that everyone denies it's there) where a really skilled player can lose to a clearly inferior one. The inferior player makes it to the finals and get crushed. The result? A boring and uninteresting e-sport. This has always happened in starcraft, I don't know why people think so much about it. It's cheese. You need to be cheeseproof in starcraft, NaDa wasn't. It's that simple. | ||
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I)etox
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On May 15 2011 00:44 kasumimi wrote: Winning against Nada with 1 base and cheesy play isn't humiliation. It's just a reflection the current state of the game (that everyone denies it's there) where a really skilled player can lose to a clearly inferior one. The inferior player makes it to the finals and get crushed. The result? A boring and uninteresting e-sport. Please watch game 3, InCa cheeses yes, he gets scouted and he transitions out of it to still beat Nada. Nada often maintains strong macro but his strategy and decision making are hit and miss. | ||
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ManaO
Italy185 Posts
 Just a stupid example but it gets the point, Inca warped in DTs at different timings in the matches, and everytime Spore Crawlers were finishing the VERY MOMENT DTs were being warped; not before, not after. That's just how much Nestea was focused and is able to read the opponent's mind. So, GG Nesta | ||
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xbankx
703 Posts
On May 15 2011 00:47 I)etox wrote: This is crazy. I knew this was going to be a stomp but didn't 'think that it would be this bad. Can't complain though seeing as Nestea deserved the win. Silly Inca, why'd you have to cheese out Nada? Nada vs. Nestea woulda been way more epic. Would be 1-sided as well probably, only MVP or MC can go up against Nestea. MC is just a bunch of really "cute" timing attacks with good mechanics. If nestea reads him, MC is pretty much screwed. MVP versus zergs on big maps still seems pretty hard. Anyone who plays terrans knows the pain to push across map and 1 second delay on your tank siege and you are just dead. | ||
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
On May 15 2011 00:46 sermokala wrote: I'm so pissed off right now I watched the first game and fell asleep. Glad we can tell the zergs to stop QQing about balance seeing their race has won the most GSL's now. Because Inka is a good representation of what protoss is capable of verse zerg right? The fact that he got to the finals with his retarded cheesy style pretty much disproves your statement. We all know how good a macro style protoss can be and now we all know how silly a cheese style toss can be as well. | ||
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Xivsa
United States1009 Posts
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MuazizTremere
Netherlands67 Posts
The next 2 games not only weren't 3gate expands but 3gate DT expands, where DT's did a metric NOTHING every game, but Nestea never did the goddamn build you're so upset about. The fact that you don't notice the over 5-minute disparity between these two zerg builds is really something you should think about next time you think you should talk about balance. I'm not upset about any build. You're the one bringing up balance here. ZvP is a retarded matchup because if Protoss doesn't expand all he can do is a huge 1-base timing and hope Zerg guessed the wrong build. If Protoss does expand he's the one playing the guessing game and basically auto-losses if he guessed wrong. Since Protosses seem to prefer more mid/endgame oriented builds in the recent high-profile tournaments it's no wonder Zerg has been absolutely destroying them. As a viewer this is very frustrating, because there is exactly ZERO excitement in PvZ no matter who ends up winning. It's never back and forth, it's never amazing clever play. It's always one guy losing the guessing game and getting rolled. | ||
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xbankx
703 Posts
On May 15 2011 00:55 jyLee wrote: Because Inka is a good representation of what protoss is capable of verse zerg right? The fact that he got to the finals with his retarded cheesy style pretty much disproves your statement. We all know how good a macro style protoss can be and now we all know how silly a cheese style toss can be as well. who is good macro style toss ? Everyone said macro style toss is powerful but how many of them are there that are successful? MC is completely opposite using risky strong opening to get ahead or strong timings to kill zerg off. He almost never go into late game with them. And please don't throw in foreign toss names around because they would have been manhandled by nestea the same. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
 1 good finals in 7 seasons, it's quite sad really. Congrats to NesTea though | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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Aezo-
Canada378 Posts
On May 15 2011 00:44 kasumimi wrote: Winning against Nada with 1 base and cheesy play isn't humiliation. It's just a reflection the current state of the game (that everyone denies it's there) where a really skilled player can lose to a clearly inferior one. The inferior player makes it to the finals and get crushed. The result? A boring and uninteresting e-sport. Please don't watch and come to the LR threads if it's a boring and uninteresting sport. Cheese is part of the game. And congrats to Nestea ! Champion once more! Now to win the super tournament! | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
Until the finals, Nestea had not swept a single series this GSL. In fact, Nestea had lost games to played of all races. Inca's prior record versus Zerg was 0-4. Inca made the finals largely because he was lucky enough to not have faced a Zerg. Inca basically did variations on a theme three of four times, even after it got crushed the first time. Congrats to Nestea, he is very deserving of the win. Inca got a bit lucky to get into the finals without facing a Zerg. I don't think he would have been able to beat any of the Zergs in Code S. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On May 15 2011 01:00 MuazizTremere wrote: I'm not upset about any build. You're the one bringing up balance here. ZvP is a retarded matchup because if Protoss doesn't expand all he can do is a huge 1-base timing and hope Zerg guessed the wrong build. If Protoss does expand he's the one playing the guessing game and basically auto-losses if he guessed wrong. Since Protosses seem to prefer more mid/endgame oriented builds in the recent high-profile tournaments it's no wonder Zerg has been absolutely destroying them. As a viewer this is very frustrating, because there is exactly ZERO excitement in PvZ no matter who ends up winning. It's never back and forth, it's never amazing clever play. It's always one guy losing the guessing game and getting rolled. 3 gate sentry expand with forge + cannon + hallu. You can see the attack coming before it hits and throw down an extra cannon or two and delay with forcefields. Zerg can see if the Protoss is making a forge at his expo before he makes his roaches. No guessing is required in these builds, Protoss just needed to play safer. | ||
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