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Greem
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
730 Posts
May 14 2011 14:39 GMT
#4221
Nestea fighting! I got too much respect for Nestea to not cheer for him despiete being protoss player myself ! Zerg King Fighting!
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alan25
Profile Joined September 2010
United States379 Posts
May 14 2011 14:40 GMT
#4222
all inca did every game was expo dt's like my god
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
May 14 2011 14:41 GMT
#4223
Regarding people revoking their future passes, the games leading up to the finals were quite action packed. If you seriously buy a pass for the sole purpose of the final series, then it's poor money management. NesTea's run was great, and so were many of the ro16 games. To say that NesTea was the only skilled player to make it out of the group stage is myopic to say the least.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
May 14 2011 14:47 GMT
#4224
meh i dont even think that Inca deserve that Final seat. He's like a bad copy of MC
kaztah
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1221 Posts
May 14 2011 14:56 GMT
#4225
Sadly these games went just as expected. Nestea is in a completely different league then inca, and today showed that just fine. GSL finals keeps up their tradition of being terrible games. Not much they can do about that though.
I speak fluent sarcasm.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 15:00:45
May 14 2011 15:00 GMT
#4226
On May 14 2011 23:47 DarkRise wrote:
meh i dont even think that Inca deserve that Final seat. He's like a bad copy of MC


I think he's the creative side of MC, where as MC has the skills (mechanic-wise) to pull off those strategies as best as possible. Could be why he's getting eliminated by "lower-classed" players, as the pair aren't devising player-specific builds against them.
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TurtlePerson2
Profile Joined October 2010
United States218 Posts
May 14 2011 15:07 GMT
#4227
I think that Nestea made it clear he was the better player, but it was a little unfair having the big patch right before the match. I don't understand why Inca didn't try Stargate play. Stargate play is largely unchanged by the patch.
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marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
May 14 2011 15:14 GMT
#4228
I really wonder when the GSL can finally break their streak of bad finals.
Just sad that Inca beat Nada -.-
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
May 14 2011 15:16 GMT
#4229
Inca must have just stuck to what he practiced. Despite it not working, he didn't want to deviate from his preparation. oGs must have come to the conclusion that DT's were the anti-roach/ling timing build, without considering the fact with 1 spore completely negates it, and sets the DT user far enough behind that they don't have the units to stop the subsequent timing attack once they get a lair and overseer.

It was really just bad preparation by Inca/oGs. The IM coach said in the pre-match interview that IM has the best Zerg's, so they're really not worried about how they're preparing for Nestea, because they have no one on their team to really compare him to. I guess that was pretty spot on
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
May 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#4230
On May 15 2011 00:00 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 23:47 DarkRise wrote:
meh i dont even think that Inca deserve that Final seat. He's like a bad copy of MC


I think he's the creative side of MC, where as MC has the skills (mechanic-wise) to pull off those strategies as best as possible. Could be why he's getting eliminated by "lower-classed" players, as the pair aren't devising player-specific builds against them.


You can't exactly call DT rushing 3 games in a row "creative."
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xbankx
Profile Joined July 2010
703 Posts
May 14 2011 15:23 GMT
#4231
On May 14 2011 23:12 Bash wrote:
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On May 14 2011 21:58 MuazizTremere wrote:

yes, so you got to see 4 super high level examples on how to read and beat what the protoss did. thats learning. if the games are close its much harder to draw out a main lesson from the games


High example lessons on how cannonless 3-gate expand builds are bad against zerg nowadays?

Basically three of the games went like this: Inca tries to do a variation of 3-gate expand without cannons. Nestea makes 10 roaches and 50 zerglings and a-moves to victory.

Wow that's some AMAZING lesson there man. Who on earth would have thought that ling/roach rolls you without a million forcefields and like six cannons. If anything Protoss pro's should by now have realized that they can neither forge-expand nor 3-gate expand vs zerg anymore.

Then game 4 Inca actually forge-expands. Nestea makes too many zerglings but drones up from 2 hatches while taking a third anyway. By the time Warpgate tech is done Nestea is 15 drones, a base and 20 supply ahead. Inca shows yet again that you can't make DT's vs Zerg because without forcefield abuse Ling/roach completely dominates gateway units.

Gee... we didn't know that yet either.

Inca played 4 terrible games, doing weak variations of strategies that Zergs know exactly how to disassemble and the one game where he didn't get way behind in the first few minutes, he borks up by getting the wrong tech and horrible unit control.

Now, tell me... how on EARTH were that "good lessons"?


Game 1 was the traditional 30 drone roachling "allin" thing that has been around for about 6 months that people on the forums are apparently now shitting themselves over as of this week. Game 1 was also a 2 gate expand with extremely bad sim city and no cannon, on the absolute best map for that bust (holy hell was that ever amateur).

The next 2 games not only weren't 3gate expands but 3gate DT expands, where DT's did a metric NOTHING every game, but Nestea never did the goddamn build you're so upset about. The fact that you don't notice the over 5-minute disparity between these two zerg builds is really something you should think about next time you think you should talk about balance.

He went into the games with a plan on doing a strong midgame centric play that revolves around mass attack upgraded lings and is backed up by speed upgraded roaches (starting +1 zergling melee before lair), which is designed to be good against 2 base allin timings and especially at denying protoss 3rd base, but, as we saw, can be used aggressively when your opponent enters the midgame severely behind due to having an awful opening build.

Game 4 I wasn't paying too much attention to the intricacies of their builds but there isn't much to say either. Inca starts the game at a considerable build order advantage, but squanders it by going dt's yet again and getting repelled as easily as he did in every game before that. From there it was NesTea, who is obviously too good to let his opponents come back after taking risks that do absolutely nothing, toying with his food.

It's absolutely mindboggling how the forum dwellers have taken this roachling allin (which I remind you we saw ONCE in this series) as something new and broken. I'm a grandmaster zerg on EU, and I've been using the build for months every now and then, and every goddamn protoss I have ever played is familiar with it and knows exactly how to stop it. You defend it by having a proper simcity below your ramp, by having your army in a good position before the lings swarm in, and controlling your units and forcefields properly. If you want to be absolutely safe, build a single cannon. So yeah the answer is actually controlling your units, such is the nature of this game.


Im sure with a 80+% pvp win. Controlling units is probably inca's stronger points. The problem is people dont realize 6-7 sentry+a zealot+1-2 stalkers takes forever to kill like 8 roaches+28+lings. 1 misclick on forcefield and you are died. All zerg has to do is A-move to nexus. Also toss can never scout it coming since 4 lings basically deny all scouting. So basically toss has no clue whether or not zerg is droning off 2 bases or he is massing units.
j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
May 14 2011 15:24 GMT
#4232
will the vods be available ?
someone_elses_lies@live.fr
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
May 14 2011 15:27 GMT
#4233
On May 15 2011 00:24 j4vz wrote:
will the vods be available ?

They're already up on gomtv
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
May 14 2011 15:28 GMT
#4234
@Tachion:
thanks
someone_elses_lies@live.fr
ballasdontcry
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada595 Posts
May 14 2011 15:30 GMT
#4235
hm, worst GSL finalist, inca or rain? have to say inca is making a case for that title.
Durn
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada360 Posts
May 14 2011 15:30 GMT
#4236
As JP said on the viewing party, GSL is forever damned to have crappy finals (paraphrased).
"Even if I lose 100 games, that's 100 different arrows pointing me in the wrong direction." - Sean Day[9] Plott
Azuroz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1630 Posts
May 14 2011 15:31 GMT
#4237
On May 14 2011 23:47 DarkRise wrote:
meh i dont even think that Inca deserve that Final seat. He's like a bad copy of MC


he humiliated nada 3-0, so i'd say he deserved the final spot, however nestea deserved the win.
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LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
May 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#4238
On May 15 2011 00:00 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 23:47 DarkRise wrote:
meh i dont even think that Inca deserve that Final seat. He's like a bad copy of MC


I think he's the creative side of MC, where as MC has the skills (mechanic-wise) to pull off those strategies as best as possible. Could be why he's getting eliminated by "lower-classed" players, as the pair aren't devising player-specific builds against them.


I couldn't find the word "creative" when I looked up Inca in the SC2 almanac, probably has something to do with him making dt's every game despite knowing Nestea goes for early spore crawlers.
The spice must flow
xZiGGY
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom801 Posts
May 14 2011 15:41 GMT
#4239
nothing stops the dancing fatcat!
Meh.
xbankx
Profile Joined July 2010
703 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 15:43:33
May 14 2011 15:42 GMT
#4240
On May 15 2011 00:32 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 00:00 Inflicted_ wrote:
On May 14 2011 23:47 DarkRise wrote:
meh i dont even think that Inca deserve that Final seat. He's like a bad copy of MC


I think he's the creative side of MC, where as MC has the skills (mechanic-wise) to pull off those strategies as best as possible. Could be why he's getting eliminated by "lower-classed" players, as the pair aren't devising player-specific builds against them.


I couldn't find the word "creative" when I looked up Inca in the SC2 almanac, probably has something to do with him making dt's every game despite knowing Nestea goes for early spore crawlers.



What build can he do then?

Stargate expand? That get countered by the same build. Blindly doing 3 gate sentry expand and hope zerg isn't gonna ling/roach bust you? Attempting to 4 gate all in with that extra 20 secs, zergs will luls at you. Forge expand? We saw how nestea owned that with proxy spine and even if you go forge FE. You got no scout so how many cannons do you add? 7-8 to prevent a roach bust? If you add 7-8 cannons and if he just goes mass droning he is still ahead you just die mid game like 6 base vs 2.
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