EPTNASL Week 4 Day 1 - Page 34
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Chainfire99
Canada474 Posts
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GiggleFairy
Australia331 Posts
On May 05 2011 12:03 MYM.ClouD wrote: a bronze place in copenhagen games with all the best players in europe beating morrow for 3rd 4th place 3-0. yeah grubby has accomplished absolutely nothing in the very little amount of time he's been practicing sc2 seriously. I want it to be known that Grubby has his own Wikipedia page. When you have your own Wikipedia page, you know you are a big deal  He is one of the most successful Pro-Gamers of all time with his net winnings being estimated over $2,000,000 USD.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Schenkhuizen look at his achievments there if you need to see his success. | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
On May 05 2011 12:03 Kisra wrote: The key term here is: Respect You can say "This guy isn't playing so good" - but there's a world of difference between that and "Man this guy sucks". It's almost one of the TL Ten Commandments - respecting the vets, which easily extended to respecting the pros. You can criticise but not mud-fling. Also, because other sports/games give top people flak or disrespect doesn't mean that we should adhere to that here. Addressing to everyone: Before you hit 'post', pause a moment and think "What do people benefit from reading what I'm saying". If the answer is "That I'm saying something offensive about this guy" then is it worth posting? OK, I thought one of the reasons why Korean leagues couldn't attract attention of foreign mainstream fan-base was because of them being too respectful and with almost zero passion being involved in it? I have been enjoying watching Bisu games for years, but beside that, I cannot relate to them and their style. Sports for me is supporting certain teams/players and being neutral to some, and hating some. Whether that is the best in terms of moral principles I wouldn't know. | ||
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
On May 05 2011 12:07 mango_destroyer wrote: Lol people act like these players are as incredibly sensitive as they are. I doubt a player as famous as Grubby gives a shit if people say he plays like a jobber. I agree trash talking is nothing new. Agreed. | ||
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Jacuzzi
United States528 Posts
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dtz
5834 Posts
On May 05 2011 12:06 jdseemoreglass wrote: Read his post again. He says "out of respect for what he has accomplished" we do not say boxer is trash. obviously out of respect for what he has accomplished in broodwar because he brought up " not so much because his sc2 results" then you went asking for specifically sc2 results for grubby. | ||
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hiyo_bye
United States737 Posts
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
On May 05 2011 12:08 Aealo2012 wrote: I want it to be known that Grubby has his own Wikipedia page. When you have your own Wikipedia page, you know you are a big deal He is one of the most successful Pro-Gamers of all time with his net winnings being estimated over $2,000,000 USD.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Schenkhuizen look at his achievments there if you need to see his success. That list of tournament wins.... O_O Jesus take the wheel. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On May 05 2011 12:00 jdseemoreglass wrote: What exactly has grubby accomplished? Specifically with SC2, not WC3? In liquipedia all it shows is a bronze place in a Copenhagen cup. I browse TL daily and watch countless tournaments and I haven't yet seen the amazing play yet. Even now we just saw him lose 0-2 to vibe, who isn't exactly a top player. If you have some vods I should watch where he outperforms top players I would love to see them. If you want to be an SC2 elitist and ignore all other games you may as well ignore BW achievements for people like Boxer, NaDa and July - oh wait, nobody does.. But hey - SC2 is the only game that matters right? | ||
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TofuFox
374 Posts
On May 05 2011 12:05 Uhh Negative wrote: Breaking News: People trash talk other people! Seriously, I don't know how you can say that all of sudden TL is becoming trashy and trash talking everyone. This world has been like this ever since humans competed. People will always trash talk other people and there's two types of responses. You can get all butt-hurt and defensive about it, or you can shrug it off. Why even respond to someone who is being disrespectful? Those who get caught up in it are those who are left behind. That the best way to deal with asshole behavior is often to ignore the assholes does not make them anything other than assholes. It's also a pretty good argument that they don't contribute anything to the site and that a moderation system and culture that doesn't tolerate assholes doesn't actually lose anything. | ||
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AimForTheBushes
United States1760 Posts
On May 05 2011 12:07 Nerdslayer wrote: Great post coulnt agree more. This is not Kitty Cat online, this is Esport. There will be fans loving and hate you, if you cant take the heat then I suggest you get out of the bakery. I'm really interested in this Kitty Cat online you mentioned. Can I get this off of Steam or Xbox Live? Also, is it balanced? I'd hate to get a game where the tabbies are OP, and it's impossible for the Scottish Folds to get a good scout without falling behind or having to rely on a coin-flip. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On May 05 2011 12:05 On_Slaught wrote: We'll know the game has evolved the day that type of play is no longer viable. Ugh. What??????? Simply scouting on time beats that build 100% of the time. Canceling that immortal and warping in a stalker and zealot instead wins that. Actually watching your ramp, and FF all those scvs/marines out and you win. Micro your probes at all and you win that. Not having your last 4 probes on gas instead of minerals with 200 gas wins that. That was just terrible play, not an unstoppable cheese. The day no cheese is effective at all is the day i quit watching SC2. 15 minute no army touching rules do not make for compelling SC2. You might as well spawn with 2 bases, 4 gates, a robo, stargate, and 40 probes(or other races equivalent) so you don't have to spend 15 minutes macroing up. | ||
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Mellon
Sweden917 Posts
More than 99% of the players are worse than him, and almost 100% of the players taking a dump on him are way worse aswell. He's a legend in wc3, he ain't quite there yet in sc2 but why get upset about it? If it's about y'all not getting enjoyable games then do something else when you don't want to watch them. Stop hating it's just pathetic and pointless. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On May 05 2011 12:09 bkrow wrote: If you want to be an SC2 elitist and ignore all other games you may as well ignore BW achievements for people like Boxer, NaDa and July - oh wait, nobody does.. But hey - SC2 is the only game that matters right? So it's impossible to discuss Michael Jordan's baseball accomplishments without bringing up his NBA career? BW and WC3 is irrelevant in the context of this SC2 thread. | ||
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Samhax
1054 Posts
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AimForTheBushes
United States1760 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On May 05 2011 11:54 mordk wrote: Irrelevant. Obviously his play is not too good, and that's certainly something people can critique. Trash talking a player as relevant to e-sports in the west as grubby should be unacceptable. Grubby is like the Boxer of europe. And for any player actually, criticizing play =/= blatantly trash talking. Well I agree. I wasn't trash talking him, I was just saying I wasn't impressed with his play. I'm entitled to my opinion after all, within reason | ||
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Kisra
United Kingdom466 Posts
On May 05 2011 12:08 Xxavi wrote: OK, I thought one of the reasons why Korean leagues couldn't attract attention of foreign mainstream fan-base was because of them being too respectful and with almost zero passion being involved in it? I have been enjoying watching Bisu games for years, but beside that, I cannot relate to them and their style. Sports for me is supporting certain teams/players and being neutral to some, and hating some. Whether that is the best in terms of moral principles I wouldn't know. The Korean leagues couldn't attract foreign attention because the players had too much 'respect' (or rather, didn't speak their mind enough). It lead to a lot of personalities bleeding into each other and it makes it hard to feel like you 'know' a player. Western eSports as it is doesn't have this weakness, we have tons of platforms around the game for players to make themselves known. It doesn't however excuse Johnny Average to go and say "Yeah this guy is shit". You can not like a player (I have a few friends who really dislike IdrA, for example), but they respect his ability to play. Sure, Grubby's play in his series felt lackluster, but you can't disregard the work he puts in, or the potential, and you can't slam him for being a bad player after his run in Copenhagen. I also feel there's a huge difference between passion and, say, the "Grubby is trash" post I saw earlier in the LR. That might just be one bad apple, but it wasn't, and it makes reading the thread unpleasant. I can totally understand ClouD's viewpoint - watching people who are pretty much gaurenteed to know a lot less about the game than Grubby hurl insults at him isn't passion, its just being an ass. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
 .Gonna be tense if Rainbow can pull this off | ||
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