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At least I got to see the Red Faction 4 Advertisement with it's horrible Sound quality every refresh 0_o
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On May 06 2011 04:57 MESeidel wrote:
At least I got to see the Red Faction 4 Advertisement with it's horrible Sound quality every refresh 0_o
Luckly noone wants his adds on crap.tv for Poland.
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Judging from the "Recommended Games" spoiler, it looked like a really great series.
So disappointed...
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On May 06 2011 04:59 Merany wrote:Judging from the "Recommended Games" spoiler, it looked like a really great series. So disappointed...
Yeah, I want to know what happened @ game2.
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I don't get why people bash on Justin.tv for this...
Never experienced technical difficulties yourself? Happens to everyone, also to major streamhosters, companies etc.
Be a little thankfull towards Jtv for the awesome work they've done recently for the SC2-scene, like sponsoring lots of tourneys and such.
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justin.tv almost always works flawless for me, some lags sometimes, but not to bad. this is the first mayor thing that i've experienced.
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On May 06 2011 05:01 SanMaya wrote:
I don't get why people bash on Justin.tv for this...
Never experienced technical difficulties yourself? Happens to everyone, also to major streamhosters, companies etc.
Be a little thankfull towards Jtv for the awesome work they've done recently for the SC2-scene, like sponsoring lots of tourneys and such.
Its nice they sponsor the tournaments...
Bad there is a little problem...
THEIR STREAMING DOESN'T WORK 
Its like they are saying: "We offer the best streaming"
People tune in and.... It doesnt work.
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On May 06 2011 04:54 bashalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 04:53 Rabbitmaster wrote:On May 06 2011 04:51 navara wrote:
justin tv Yeah, maybe atleast host the EU restream on some other service? Seems like Justin.tv is just horrible in EU. Justin.tv is horrible pretty much wherever.
Works better then any other service here.
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On May 06 2011 05:05 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 04:54 bashalisk wrote:On May 06 2011 04:53 Rabbitmaster wrote:On May 06 2011 04:51 navara wrote:
justin tv Yeah, maybe atleast host the EU restream on some other service? Seems like Justin.tv is just horrible in EU. Justin.tv is horrible pretty much wherever. Works better then any other service here.
Works worse than any other service here. (read:only one that i actually have a recurring problem with)
I do love the ability to switch video quality though!
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its alive (at least it apears that way)...
Nice timing... We get the closing commentary.
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On May 06 2011 05:04 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 05:01 SanMaya wrote:
I don't get why people bash on Justin.tv for this...
Never experienced technical difficulties yourself? Happens to everyone, also to major streamhosters, companies etc.
Be a little thankfull towards Jtv for the awesome work they've done recently for the SC2-scene, like sponsoring lots of tourneys and such. Its nice they sponsor the tournaments... Bad there is a little problem... THEIR STREAMING DOESN'T WORK Its like they are saying: "We offer the best streaming" People tune in and.... It doesnt work.
It happens when you grow too fast and the infrastructure cant keep up, the fault might not even be on JTV's end. I hope they can fix it soon though!
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That's such unfortunate timing for justin.tv to go down.
Sucks.
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Justin.tv should be up now. Also.. for NASL's tonight (US) IdrA will be co-casting alongside Gretorp, correct?
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On May 05 2011 23:38 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 23:20 LwReisen wrote:On May 05 2011 13:41 IdrA wrote:On May 05 2011 13:33 Uhh Negative wrote:On May 05 2011 13:31 HolyArrow wrote:On May 05 2011 13:26 Uhh Negative wrote:On May 05 2011 13:25 HolyArrow wrote:On May 05 2011 13:21 Uhh Negative wrote:On May 05 2011 13:18 HolyArrow wrote:On May 05 2011 13:14 Uhh Negative wrote:
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You are overplaying it, plain and simple. I don't care how crisp Artosis' connection is, Fenix is simply a better player, along with every other player Artosis has played so far. That's not to say Artosis is a bad player, he's just playing really, really good players. The result may have been closer, but there's a lot of room for it to be closer.
Maybe we should also take into consideration whether a player also woke up on the wrong side of the bed and how that affects their morale, confidence, and concentration? Or maybe we should look at the medications they are taking and see what the side effects are? There's a line you have to draw at giving players excuses. Sure, there is a line. You seem to be implying that "lag" as an excuse lies beyond that line, which is simply ludicrous. Lag is a very measurable, provable, real thing, unlike "woke up on the wrong side of bed" and such. And having performance other than micro being affected by lag is a natural logical leap to make. Don't strawman me by mentioning that Fenix is a better player, because I'm not saying that he isn't. I completely agree with you that the result may have been closer if there wasn't lag, and I agree that Fenix probably would have won anyway. That's not the issue here. The issue is seeing so many people going "Oh, he doesn't deserve to be here, he's a terrible player" without looking at the big picture or listening to reason. Implying lag affected his performance in such a significant way as we saw, is ludicrous. There is just no way you can know that. Sure, it can affect someone in that way, but there a BILLION things that can affect someone's performance. How is there no way to know if lag (something measurable, real, and handicapping according to IdrA and Tyler last night) affected performance significantly? You're trying to take something completely measurable and detectable and saying that there's no way for us to know how much it affects play. That's ridiculous. I can't believe I even have to argue this, after people on SotG clarified that it is a significant factor. Alright, please prove to me that lag played in significant role in Artosis' series. Have you interviewed him? Were you actually controlling the keyboard and mouse? You're trying to make yourself look credible by asking me unfair questions. I have no need to give such evidence - the evidence is all out there already without needing to be specific to Artosis. 1. Firsthand accounts and testimonies of lag being a severe handicap (said by IdrA and agreed upon by Tyler on SotG) 2. Measurable numbers that indicate latency which don't even need player testimonials to be used as evidence To make an analogy, let's say there was a badminton match between two players, and one player had a pretty severely sprained ankle. He plays badly, and I insist that a sprained ankle is a big handicap. You're essentially telling me that we don't know for sure whether or not the sprained ankle was a big handicap without asking the player directly, even though everyone knows a sprained ankle hinders movement, causes pain that cuts into concentration, and any other pro player would say that it's a big deal. You see the absurdity? A firsthand account from Artosis is unneeded. That's not a good analogy. A strained ankle is obviously going to affect every part of that person's ability to play badminton. It's fundamental. Latency affects the time between input and what actually happens. You cant still outplay an opponent and make good decisions with lag. It would play a far bigger role in close games which neither of these were. You don't see other players playing with lag making such huge mistakes. I could guarantee you Artosis would not blame his result on lag. dont talk about what you dont understand, playing in latency throws everything off. its a massive distraction and it forces you to play different styles. especially for protoss, you literally cannot depend on forcefielding correctly and half of protoss' game is built around forcefield. not to mention the actual direct handicap of not being able to micro as well as your opponent. results of players playing cross server with korea are absolutely meaningless Therefore, Koreans (and people living in Korea) shouldn't play in non-korean tournaments the complain about it afterwards; if you don't think you can handle the lag, don't play in the tournament - it's really as simple as that. The TLDR is: It's the players choice as to whether or not they want to play in the tournament; however if they choose to play any right they have to bitch dissipates. ---> makes TL's decision to not participate in EG tournament justifiable as well. I don't think there is some kind of contract that says "I shall vow to never mention latency while playing in this tournament". They're not bitching at the tournament organizers. There's nothing wrong with saying that bad latency has negatively affected their play.
WRONG. It's very unprofessional to choose to play in a tournament, lose, then cry saying you only lost because of lag.
On that note, I believe the person who played better than their opponent has won the game in all cases (even if that person may be considered "inferior") - making this debate a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.
Point: Harden up, or don't play. Easy as that. Learn that THERE IS NO SOLUTION to this issue.
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