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On April 30 2011 18:18 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 18:14 MrCon wrote:
The main problem is that July doesn't build a blind roach warren after his pool, I feel that it is a necessity. So when he scouts anypro's build, he can just decide to go kill him. Roach warren is a very cheap building, it should be auto-constructed after pool imo. At least it gives you the option to be aggressive. With July's build, his only option was to take a 3rd and hope. Cross position without roach speed? That would have been scouted and held by cannons.
Absolutely not. The Losira's push hits at about 7m30, anypro didn't even had one unit at that point, only 2 canons.
In fact, in both game 1 and 3, July would have crushed anypro with this build. This push can sometimes kills a protoss with 1-2 canons, 7 sentries and 2 zealots. (which is the normal composition f a 3 gate expand at 7m30)
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yeah, good luck scouting that when you're going fast expand into sentries
2 base roach rushes can be done when you've seen what they're doing and what they're making out of their gateways so you can choose to do it or not after you already have good intel
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On April 30 2011 18:31 vojnik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 18:26 nam nam wrote:On April 30 2011 17:53 HolyArrow wrote:On April 30 2011 17:51 Moonwrath wrote:On April 30 2011 17:48 ThePieRate wrote:On April 30 2011 17:48 Moonwrath wrote:On April 30 2011 17:46 ThePieRate wrote:On April 30 2011 17:45 Rarak wrote:
These live reports are getting so lame with all tge zerg crying. When Losira crushed alicia noone claimed imba, july just let it slip, anypro is decent.
Move on Losira didn't cheese out a player who is obviously better than him. This the same reason why no one likes Rain. He cheesed Nestea out of a GSL with bunker rushes and marine scv all ins. Ill never understand this argument. If July was so obviously better he would have won. END OF STORY. Anypro played better in game 3, get over it. So your also saying that Rain is better than Nestea for beating him? In that particular series, hell yes. As an overall player, no. You people keep crying that the better player lost, well maybe July IS the better player overall. However, in this series he was not. Anypro won fair and square with a superior build and execution in game 3. Only people who say otherwise are just balance whiners who cannot accept the fact their precious race or player lost. FYI I'm a zerg player, I just have common sense which a lot of you guys seem to lack. I was going to say exactly that to support you, but you beat me to it. If a player beats another player in a series, the winner was the better player in that series. Overall, maybe not, but in that series, definitely. Otherwise, he wouldn't have won. Pretty obvious, though many people don't like admitting it. That's stupid. I'm not saying July is or isn't better than anypro but any sport/game that have an element of luck have the potential of the worse player winning. Just like in poker, an amateur can easily beat a pro, but in the long run the pro will get ahead. Similar in SC2 it's very much possible for a weaker player to beat a better, saying else wise is just ignorant. problem is poker is not decided in 3 deals, sc2 is  ((((
SC2 is typically decided in three games, if not five...
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On April 30 2011 18:22 nvs. wrote:
Didn't get to see any of the games but a little disappointed Protoss went 3-0 today!
Not a balance whine, it just doesn't bode well for variety in future rounds.
These were the only protoss left in the tournament. If anything, protoss getting through today is the best result for variety in future rounds, as there's at least two of each race left at this stage.
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In most cases:
Protoss wins = Something had to be imbalanced, always something new to bash on every week,
Other race wins = Not imbalanced, he totally outplayed that Protoss.
Good community.
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happy that anypro wins once again. really progamer, who really working on his game
but still fe in PvX is saying about not understanding of sc2 depths.
too bad fruitdealer lost love his hyperaggro style
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Anytime there's a balance warning notice above thread I can already guess most of the results. xD
Really happy that SangHo won though.
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Protoss wins = managed to not block his nexus
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Zerg is all about knowing what your opponent is doing and REACTING.
In Game 1, July had poor overlord placement or he could have scouted the 4gate 1stargate. Furthermore, he gave up the Xel'Nagas and did not make any effort to reclaim them until it was too late. Also, with the nexus cancel being such a common build nowadays, Julyzerg, a Code S player, should have made a better effort in watching the nexus timing. If he had done even one of these three things, he would have had at least an additional 20 seconds to prepare for the allin, and that probably would have been enough. (Sure there were other mistakes, but these were the fundamental errors.)
In Game 3, one lesson I have learned is that you always get roach burrow before roach speed in ZvP. Roach speed gives you minimal defensive advantage whereas burrow move can be used defensively and offensively to great success. JulyZerg pretty much lost that because of late burrow movement followed by poor use of burrow movement. I'm not surprised that he played it so poorly considering the number of mistakes that he made in game 1. I'm pretty sure he was just having one of those "off" days where things just were not clicking.
And as much as people want to claim that the +1 armor made some kind of huge difference, it really didn't. If you do the math, +1 armor reduces a 0/0 roach's damage by ~7% to hitpoints (1/15) and 0% to shields (1/16). If you take into consideration that the armor only applies to half of the stalker's hitpoints (80health, 80shields) this reduction is clearly less than ~7%. The +damage helped, but it all really came down to poor choices and unit control by JulyZerg. I wish I could give anypro credit for doing something special but all he really did was 1a, make a line of forcefields, and repeat.
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On April 30 2011 18:42 Talin wrote:
Anytime there's a balance warning notice above thread I can already guess most of the results. xD
Really happy that SangHo won though.
Same haha.
Anyone give me a run down of nestea vs fd game one? Neatea stint meant to lose zvz  .
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On April 30 2011 18:26 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 17:53 HolyArrow wrote:On April 30 2011 17:51 Moonwrath wrote:On April 30 2011 17:48 ThePieRate wrote:On April 30 2011 17:48 Moonwrath wrote:On April 30 2011 17:46 ThePieRate wrote:On April 30 2011 17:45 Rarak wrote:
These live reports are getting so lame with all tge zerg crying. When Losira crushed alicia noone claimed imba, july just let it slip, anypro is decent.
Move on Losira didn't cheese out a player who is obviously better than him. This the same reason why no one likes Rain. He cheesed Nestea out of a GSL with bunker rushes and marine scv all ins. Ill never understand this argument. If July was so obviously better he would have won. END OF STORY. Anypro played better in game 3, get over it. So your also saying that Rain is better than Nestea for beating him? In that particular series, hell yes. As an overall player, no. You people keep crying that the better player lost, well maybe July IS the better player overall. However, in this series he was not. Anypro won fair and square with a superior build and execution in game 3. Only people who say otherwise are just balance whiners who cannot accept the fact their precious race or player lost. FYI I'm a zerg player, I just have common sense which a lot of you guys seem to lack. I was going to say exactly that to support you, but you beat me to it. If a player beats another player in a series, the winner was the better player in that series. Overall, maybe not, but in that series, definitely. Otherwise, he wouldn't have won. Pretty obvious, though many people don't like admitting it. That's stupid. I'm not saying July is or isn't better than anypro but any sport/game that have an element of luck have the potential of the worse player winning. Just like in poker, an amateur can easily beat a pro, but in the long run the pro will get ahead. Similar in SC2 it's very much possible for a weaker player to beat a better, saying else wise is just ignorant.
Did you miss the "Overall, maybe not, but in that series, definitely"?
You're pretty much agreeing with me. Yes, an amateur can beat a pro, but in the long run, a pro will get ahead. Doesn't mean that the amateur didn't outplay the pro in the instance where the amateur won.
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pff he was never that far behind tbh despite Tastosis constantly shouting. Also Killer didn't take advantage of his harassment-
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There is much hate here T.T.
July does 6 pools and all ins with banes and stuff and people dont complain and say all in
July's strategies a lot of times revolve around base trading and stuff and no one cares
Anypro (being a protoss) all ins and there is rage and QQ ..
I love and respect July and Anypro is a pro player. The better player on this day won simple. go GSL!
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On April 30 2011 18:38 shredzy wrote:
In most cases:
Protoss wins = Something had to be imbalanced, always something new to bash on every week,
Other race wins = Not imbalanced, he totally outplayed that Protoss.
Good community.
Then what if it is true? Then it isn't the community's fault, they're simply telling it how it is.
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On April 30 2011 19:01 diverzee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 18:38 shredzy wrote:
In most cases:
Protoss wins = Something had to be imbalanced, always something new to bash on every week,
Other race wins = Not imbalanced, he totally outplayed that Protoss.
Good community. Then what if it is true? Then it isn't the community's fault, they're simply telling it how it is.
That makes WAY too much sense...
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yes!!! haha! go Anypro! maybe people will idolize July less now, and see he's nothing special instead of revering him like some sort of deity. Of course people will flame me for this since these LR threads are super zerg biased, but i dont care!
also, the people in this community are such hypocrites (zergs im looking at you)
MC 6 gates July, he's a piece of lowly trash that needs to be wiped off the face off the planet
MKP marine scv all ins Nestea, he has no skill and doesnt deserve to breathe the clean air
July 6 pools anyone, hes a godsend and a genius, he understands the game like no other and is a beautiful person.
yeah.
you guys are dumb...I'm gonna steer clear of any LR with zergs in it from now on.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On April 30 2011 19:32 caruso wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 19:01 diverzee wrote:On April 30 2011 18:38 shredzy wrote:
In most cases:
Protoss wins = Something had to be imbalanced, always something new to bash on every week,
Other race wins = Not imbalanced, he totally outplayed that Protoss.
Good community. Then what if it is true? Then it isn't the community's fault, they're simply telling it how it is. That makes WAY too much sense...
+ Show Spoiler +3T 3P 2Z seems ok so far to me.
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On April 30 2011 19:35 PlaGuE_R wrote:
yes!!! haha! go Anypro! maybe people will idolize July less now, and see he's nothing special instead of revering him like some sort of deity. Of course people will flame me for this since these LR threads are super zerg biased, but i dont care!
I wouldn't call it Zerg bias, I'd call it hostility against mechanics that are terrible in an RTS games. Kind of like warp-in+force fields on the ramp, eliminating the defenders advantage and creating an advantage for the attacker.
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poor clide, not to sorry for july, still feel bitter bout mvp vs july games 0)
liquidbet kinda screwed, never bet against toss these days :'(
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