[GSL] Code S Ro16 Day 2 - Page 132

On April 30 2011 18:13 sashkata wrote:

The game was over at that point. Come on.

On April 30 2011 18:07 TheTenthDoc wrote:


He also lost because he sat his hydras in front of zealots taking maximum damage.

On April 30 2011 18:15 namedplayer wrote:
July didn't attack the pylon. that's all. He could have won that game.

On April 30 2011 18:12 Itsmedudeman wrote:

you think mass sentries and 2 cannons can hold off high economy roaches

shows how much you know from just that

1. make drones
2. make roaches
3. kill everything he has because all he has are sentries and 2 cannons
4. win the game

doesn't seem that hard to me

On April 30 2011 17:56 pdd wrote:

I don't think anypro knew about the 3rd expansion till he decided to push. I'm not sure though. Can't recall him scouting it. He might have sneaked a probe out or probably just assumed that there would have been an expansion by then.

On April 30 2011 18:14 MrCon wrote:
The main problem is that July doesn't build a blind roach warren after his pool, I feel that it is a necessity. So when he scouts anypro's build, he can just decide to go kill him. Roach warren is a very cheap building, it should be auto-constructed after pool imo. At least it gives you the option to be aggressive. With July's build, his only option was to take a 3rd and hope.

On April 30 2011 18:15 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
I think Slayers_Alicia is in prime position right now. Slayers_Alicia, Slayers_MMA, and Slayers_Ryung, a Protoss, Terran and Zerg respectively have a strong SC2 future I think. Should get used to seeing those names.

On April 30 2011 18:08 Zealot Lord wrote:
I honestly don't get it - this isn't a game just about who can macro better.. anypro expanded first, had an economic lead and a tech lead, why should he not take advantage of the timing he has before July's double expo pays off? What's he supposed to do? Just wait around and let July build up or something? I don't even like anypro, but it was the perfect response and the build order/timing wise was executed very well.

On April 30 2011 18:18 azarat wrote:


He saw July's drone heading toward the third when his second probe was scouting July's natural.

Definitely seems like a razor-edge situation for Zerg. July scouted the 7-Gate as soon as could be reasonably expected (8:30 from memory) and produced not one drone after that point, plus got Roach speed/Burrow/Tunneling Claws. You can argue about the order he should have got these upgrades, but I doubt it would have mattered either way. Anypro just had too many units and too many FFs to deal with.

You also can't reasonably expect July to sac his third and throw down spines at his natural. He'd lose too much income/production to keep up with anypro's two-base all-in. Infestors may have worked, but that's not something you can do on-the-fly for that attack. By the time you scout the 7-Gate its far too late to put down an Infestation Pit, plus the massive gas cost of the Pathogen Glands upgrade + Infestors means you don't have enough gas/minerals for the required Roaches + upgrades to deal with all those units. And with that many FFs, you can't go ling/Infestor as a response to it.

In any case, I'm kinda stumped how he would deal with that timing. Hydras might have been good, but he'd need more gas and would subsequently have less mineral income. So yes, a razor-edge.

On April 30 2011 18:18 Supamang wrote:

Ok, how bout you get some common sense instead of making utterly idiotic responses? The guy I was responding to said, and I quote:



Obviously the guy was referring to a roach all-in, given all of the whines about all ins in this thread. If its a "high economy roaches", why the fuck would a protoss have only sentries and 2 cannons? Youd have to be in goddamn balsa wood league to have only 2 cannons and sentries if its a 3 base roach push. dont even give me some BS, self-satisfied response "shows how much yo know from just that".

my only remarks regarding game 3 were that, despite me being a zerg player, anypro deserved to win that game. so dont fucking talk to me like im whining about the last game here

EDIT: Oh wait, it was you who said that original quote. That just makes this whole conversation even more ridiculous. So tell me. How bad are you that you think that any decent protoss would have only sentries and 2 cannons when the zerg has "high economy roaches"? "Showz how much u no frum just that" HERP DERP

On April 30 2011 18:17 aebriol wrote:

That's just weak. It has nothing to do with balance either. But that small mismicro... came after really atrocious execution of the rush by anypro, and the game was already lost at that point in time.

AnyPro did the rush really really bad, July defended really really well and had one small mismicro, which cost him a few units a few seconds before they would have otherwise died. Because of all the drones lost, AnyPro would have won anyway. There's no way to defend it when you scout it that late.

That's just a metagame build. If he sacrificed the first overlord before the void ray comes out, he would have spotted it. But .... then he would probably be too early to definitively scout many other builds.

One place July could have left a zergling on hold position is behind the nexus in range to see if it was canceled or not. Then he could have left another to spot the blind spot near anypro's base to see if he was leaving with his units. It might have given him enough time (might not too - that rush is sick).

The third game, it was just a perfectly executed rush, and July chosing to hold with burrow roaches - which is the optimal choice if there's no robotics - but Anypro knew that when he was scouted, burrow would probably be made, so he made a robotics. If that robotics wasn't made, or was scouted making, it would have ended differently.

Balance ... meh. Both rushes could theoretically be held, but they are very safe as in - there's not a lot zerg can do to punish the openings, and he is dependent on really really awesome scouting timings, whereas the protoss can just do the rush blind and have a very very high chance of succeeding. That's the nature of all ins though ... they are a good way for a player to beat someone they consider slightly better than themself. Which I think Anypro did in this matchup (he went for all in builds in all three games).

On April 30 2011 18:21 pdd wrote:

Problem is that that seems to be the only way that anypro can get away with winning. Yes, clearly he won the series by playing better (in that sense) than July, but this guy is so one dimensional, it makes Rain look flexible.

It's just sad that players haven't caught up with his style and exposed him.

On April 30 2011 17:53 HolyArrow wrote:


I was going to say exactly that to support you, but you beat me to it. If a player beats another player in a series, the winner was the better player in that series. Overall, maybe not, but in that series, definitely. Otherwise, he wouldn't have won. Pretty obvious, though many people don't like admitting it.

On April 30 2011 18:26 nam nam wrote:


That's stupid. I'm not saying July is or isn't better than anypro but any sport/game that have an element of luck have the potential of the worse player winning. Just like in poker, an amateur can easily beat a pro, but in the long run the pro will get ahead. Similar in SC2 it's very much possible for a weaker player to beat a better, saying else wise is just ignorant.