• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:16
CEST 10:16
KST 17:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent9Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues12LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments2Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris75
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy What happened to Singapore/Brazil servers?
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent FlaSh on ACS Winners being in ASL ASL20 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BSL Polish World Championship 2025 20-21 September
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group B [ASL20] Ro16 Group A BWCL Season 63 Announcement [IPSL] ISPL Season 1 Winter Qualis and Info!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
Collective Intelligence: Tea…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1202 users

[GSL] Code S Ro16 Day 2 - Page 130

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 128 129 130 131 132 139 Next
NO BALANCE WHINING
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
April 30 2011 08:59 GMT
#2581
On April 30 2011 17:57 GwSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:55 sc2olorin wrote:
1. Make 4-6 spine crawlers at the natural.
2. Force engagements near third base to whittle down sentry energy/kill sentries while using burrow movement to keep as many roaches alive as possible (buying time for spines to get up)
3. Move back to natural and defend to victory.


Do you understand that spines cost drones, and money? And Roaches also cost money?


And if they keep you alive against an all in they are well worth it.God, I play Z most of the time but can we stop this whining? July lost that last game fair and square.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
sm0b
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States157 Posts
April 30 2011 08:59 GMT
#2582
On April 30 2011 17:56 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:54 WingEn wrote:
July took a risk and went for a 3rd fast expansion and anypro reacted by going 7-gate all-in with Observer to counter Burrow (which is the Zerg counter to normal 6-7 gates all-in and July will definitely get that. Also, July didn't know of the Robo). In my opinion, anypro made all the right decisions which perfectly countered what July did.

I don't think anypro knew about the 3rd expansion till he decided to push. I'm not sure though. Can't recall him scouting it. He might have sneaked a probe out or probably just assumed that there would have been an expansion by then.


It's pretty common, maybe even standard, for Zerg's to take that 3rd expo in that particular situation. Otherwise they will end up falling behind in a macro game. If July wasn't going to take it, he would have attacked with a lot of units and I'm sure Anypro knows the timing for that if it were to come.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 30 2011 08:59 GMT
#2583
On April 30 2011 17:57 Chise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:55 nick1689 wrote:
Prove to me that he decided to all-in before the game started, instead of playing it out in-game


So on what information he scouted do you think he decided to Allin?
I can't think of any information he got that would make an Allin more viable than a macro based game.
All the information he needed was the finals between MC and July. He knew July was bad at defending Warpgate allins.


Okay, so he struck at his opponent's weak point. A smart choice. Play to win, man. If I played against some hypothetical player who was the best macro player in the world but always died to, say, cannon rushes, then I'd be an idiot to not cannon rush him every time I played him.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
April 30 2011 09:00 GMT
#2584
On April 30 2011 17:56 Highwinds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:54 Rayansaki wrote:

On April 30 2011 17:46 ThePieRate wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 Rarak wrote:
These live reports are getting so lame with all tge zerg crying. When Losira crushed alicia noone claimed imba, july just let it slip, anypro is decent.

Move on


Losira didn't cheese out a player who is obviously better than him. This the same reason why no one likes Rain. He cheesed Nestea out of a GSL with bunker rushes and marine scv all ins.


You mean like last season when july cheesed mvp out of the group stage?


That was more funny that the best terran in the world couldn't stop a baneling bust (at least to myself).


stopping allins often has very little to do with skill but more with guessing and luck.
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
April 30 2011 09:00 GMT
#2585
On April 30 2011 17:57 Chise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:55 nick1689 wrote:
Prove to me that he decided to all-in before the game started, instead of playing it out in-game


So on what information he scouted do you think he decided to Allin?
I can't think of any information he got that would make an Allin more viable than a macro based game.
All the information he needed was the finals between MC and July. He knew July was bad at defending Warpgate allins.


You don't know what information he scouted? What about a double fast expand?
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: IMNestea (Death), IMLosirA (Famine), IMmvp (War), IMFenix (Conquest)
Skipton
Profile Joined December 2010
United States707 Posts
April 30 2011 09:00 GMT
#2586
On April 30 2011 17:59 bEnBo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:55 Skipton wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:53 bEnBo wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:48 Elementsu wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 nick1689 wrote:
Lol its funny, if July opted to instead go for an all-in 2 base Roach attack, instead of expanding, everyone here would be talking about how awesome his play is... Yet as soon as any toss all-ins everyone QQs

Because toss allins are very good an easy to execute, and you can win just doing them like anypro, while zerg allins need better execution and more thought behind it.



This probably the worst thing I have ever read on team liquid. Seriously, go post on the blizzard forums and leave this thread. This thread has no place for bronze newb qq zerg balance whining. You have no idea how tight the timings where on that all in nor how difficult it was to execute, and you were probably cheering yesterday when Losira allin'd Alicia with that roach ling push that is near impossible to stop.


What do you mean the timing was tight? He ran around for 1-2 minutes before even engaging.



He was setting up backup pylons while waiting for an observer and and the armor to finish. Why dont you wipe your tears away and actually watch the game instead of crying about imbalance.


I think you're taking a bit more offense to this than I am. He engaged at first without an observer.
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
April 30 2011 09:01 GMT
#2587
On April 30 2011 17:59 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:57 GwSC wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:55 sc2olorin wrote:
1. Make 4-6 spine crawlers at the natural.
2. Force engagements near third base to whittle down sentry energy/kill sentries while using burrow movement to keep as many roaches alive as possible (buying time for spines to get up)
3. Move back to natural and defend to victory.


Do you understand that spines cost drones, and money? And Roaches also cost money?


And if they keep you alive against an all in they are well worth it.God, I play Z most of the time but can we stop this whining? July lost that last game fair and square.


Saying to just make 4-6 spine crawlers at your natural on 3 bases, without taking into consideration the income/drones/highly reduced Roach count is stupid.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
April 30 2011 09:01 GMT
#2588
On April 30 2011 17:59 Rifty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:50 navara wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 Rifty wrote:
He has +1/+1 and a robo, in other words better upgrades + better tech than July, how is that an all in?
You people need to stick to your 15min no rush BGH games...


reinforcing from 7 gate out of 2 base with no probe production he has to do damage cuz he can't expo
you can argu that it's not an all in because he will do damage anyway since zerg (maybe) apparently can't do much more than july just di


His 2 base was fully saturated already, plus he had a robo to tech to colossus if his attack failed. Why can't he expo if the attack failed? He would have only had to stop half a wave of production to get enough money... July was too greedy and just didn't have enough units/upgrades to deal with the attack.

People just want every game to be a 200/200 macro game with carriers motherships and every tech unit, but anybody thats played SC for more then 5 minutes know that just doesn't happen..

protoss units are much more expensive and losing all your sentries in an attack basically means you've lost because you won't be safe to expand to a third for a long time

it's an all-in unless he damages july's economy horribly
bEnBo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States144 Posts
April 30 2011 09:01 GMT
#2589
On April 30 2011 17:59 Clog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:52 whiterabbit wrote:
I am disgusted by amount of tears from Zerg players on LR threads. First it was funny, but lately it became just stupid. Go back to Idra fanclub and whine about everything that kills you.

And is there even a way for Protoss to win and not get flamed? Early game win = flame, mid game win = flame, late game win = flame... and then when some lovely Zerg player annihilates some Protoss with all kind of gimmicky strats that's all fine and justified.

I am not P player and I cheered for July but amount of scrubs who are trying to justify their Bronze leagues on LR topics is just too pathetic.


This condescending attitude is really uncalled for. A lot of zergs feel the matchup is imba, so they're going to talk about it on the forums, and calling them Bronze league scrubs isn't going to change anything.



That is because they are, and the match up is not imbalanced.
diverzee
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden992 Posts
April 30 2011 09:01 GMT
#2590
On April 30 2011 17:53 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:51 Moonwrath wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:48 ThePieRate wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:48 Moonwrath wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:46 ThePieRate wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 Rarak wrote:
These live reports are getting so lame with all tge zerg crying. When Losira crushed alicia noone claimed imba, july just let it slip, anypro is decent.

Move on


Losira didn't cheese out a player who is obviously better than him. This the same reason why no one likes Rain. He cheesed Nestea out of a GSL with bunker rushes and marine scv all ins.

Ill never understand this argument. If July was so obviously better he would have won. END OF STORY. Anypro played better in game 3, get over it.


So your also saying that Rain is better than Nestea for beating him?

In that particular series, hell yes. As an overall player, no. You people keep crying that the better player lost, well maybe July IS the better player overall. However, in this series he was not. Anypro won fair and square with a superior build and execution in game 3. Only people who say otherwise are just balance whiners who cannot accept the fact their precious race or player lost. FYI I'm a zerg player, I just have common sense which a lot of you guys seem to lack.


I was going to say exactly that to support you, but you beat me to it. If a player beats another player in a series, the winner was the better player in that series. Overall, maybe not, but in that series, definitely. Otherwise, he wouldn't have won. Pretty obvious, though many people don't like admitting it.


How can you argue this? Noone can know who is the actual better player, so noone can know that the better player actually won. A game which isn't 100% balanced (as no game featuring 3 distinct races ever can be) does not automatically reward the better player. Not even in mirror matches do the better players always win if it's 7 pool vs hatch first. People are upset because in no matchup like ZvP lately have the audience so many times thought they saw the better player lose, and the lesser player win thanks to the advantages of his race when it comes to mind games, threat of allin and strong pushes, and sheer unit strength.
Parting
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 30 2011 09:01 GMT
#2591
On April 30 2011 17:59 Clog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:52 whiterabbit wrote:
I am disgusted by amount of tears from Zerg players on LR threads. First it was funny, but lately it became just stupid. Go back to Idra fanclub and whine about everything that kills you.

And is there even a way for Protoss to win and not get flamed? Early game win = flame, mid game win = flame, late game win = flame... and then when some lovely Zerg player annihilates some Protoss with all kind of gimmicky strats that's all fine and justified.

I am not P player and I cheered for July but amount of scrubs who are trying to justify their Bronze leagues on LR topics is just too pathetic.


This condescending attitude is really uncalled for. A lot of zergs feel the matchup is imba, so they're going to talk about it on the forums, and calling them Bronze league scrubs isn't going to change anything.


With the sheer amount of extreme anti-anyPro/Protoss flames going on, I think that a pretty insightful statement, despite being very condescending, is the least of the problems here.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
April 30 2011 09:01 GMT
#2592
On April 30 2011 18:00 Rayansaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:57 Chise wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:55 nick1689 wrote:
Prove to me that he decided to all-in before the game started, instead of playing it out in-game


So on what information he scouted do you think he decided to Allin?
I can't think of any information he got that would make an Allin more viable than a macro based game.
All the information he needed was the finals between MC and July. He knew July was bad at defending Warpgate allins.


You don't know what information he scouted? What about a double fast expand?

He didn't scout the double fast expand I think until he had decided to 7 gate. Not sure though have to rewatch the game.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
April 30 2011 09:01 GMT
#2593
On April 30 2011 17:57 Supamang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:48 Elementsu wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 nick1689 wrote:
Lol its funny, if July opted to instead go for an all-in 2 base Roach attack, instead of expanding, everyone here would be talking about how awesome his play is... Yet as soon as any toss all-ins everyone QQs

Because toss allins are very good an easy to execute, and you can win just doing them like anypro, while zerg allins need better execution and more thought behind it.

1. make drones
2. make roaches
3. kill everything he has because all he has are sentries and 2 cannons
4. win the game

doesn't seem that hard to me

go ahead and try it then. try busting through FFs with your roaches. laughable


That's pretty cool specially considering he didnt have a cyber core until like 9 minutes into the game.
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: IMNestea (Death), IMLosirA (Famine), IMmvp (War), IMFenix (Conquest)
RedDragon571
Profile Joined March 2011
United States633 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 09:04:49
April 30 2011 09:01 GMT
#2594
theres ways around that 7 gate all in i think, I'm a masters zerg player, so i'll most likely see shit like this on the ladder.

Things that could have swung that game in julys favor.
1. when protss does Forge Fe, lair before speed is an option, so you can get a faster burrow and burrow movement.
2. sniping an obs is possibly in some situation
3. july had time to opt for a +1 carapace to negate the +1
4. a few roaches, or ling pressure to A. supply block anypro, or delay push
5.his use of changling wasn't that good , he could have been more subtle with it
6. A few spines may have helped?
7.I think if july searched burrow before roach speed, or burrow movement sooner, he would have been able to to handle that better, also his burrow timing was about 10 sec delayed after alir, because he opted for roach speed first
8.better creep spread with ovies could have delayed proxy pylon placement

Overall july acted correctly but, that looked on the razor's edge.

Z v P is not neccesarily imbalanced, but this isn't a common build, early FF are very punishing for zerg players and the new warpgate changes may help.

July seems to be overall the better player, having a winning record against anypro, and anypro made a very non-code S mistake in game 2, were this a best of 5 i think the results would be different.
bEnBo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States144 Posts
April 30 2011 09:03 GMT
#2595
On April 30 2011 18:00 Skipton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:59 bEnBo wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:55 Skipton wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:53 bEnBo wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:48 Elementsu wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 nick1689 wrote:
Lol its funny, if July opted to instead go for an all-in 2 base Roach attack, instead of expanding, everyone here would be talking about how awesome his play is... Yet as soon as any toss all-ins everyone QQs

Because toss allins are very good an easy to execute, and you can win just doing them like anypro, while zerg allins need better execution and more thought behind it.



This probably the worst thing I have ever read on team liquid. Seriously, go post on the blizzard forums and leave this thread. This thread has no place for bronze newb qq zerg balance whining. You have no idea how tight the timings where on that all in nor how difficult it was to execute, and you were probably cheering yesterday when Losira allin'd Alicia with that roach ling push that is near impossible to stop.


What do you mean the timing was tight? He ran around for 1-2 minutes before even engaging.



He was setting up backup pylons while waiting for an observer and and the armor to finish. Why dont you wipe your tears away and actually watch the game instead of crying about imbalance.


I think you're taking a bit more offense to this than I am. He engaged at first without an observer.



He engaged just so he could get the pylon closer to the ramp.. but he couldnt commit because of burrow.
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 09:04:54
April 30 2011 09:03 GMT
#2596
Meh. I think I won't participate.
I cant stop lactating
Baeksucho
Profile Joined March 2011
France46 Posts
April 30 2011 09:04 GMT
#2597
On April 30 2011 17:52 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:48 Seam wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:47 Telcontar wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 Seam wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:43 Telcontar wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:43 Seam wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:42 DNB wrote:
July's fault for engaging when forcefields were out.

Anypro won fair and square, stop crying just because your favourite player lost


Engage with those, or lose your roaches that are blocked.

Choose?

Burrow move the fuck out of there?


Then lose your Expo, and have less production, and economy than Anypro.

When he was backed up against that wall at July's 3rd, Anypro wasn't really in range to take out July's hatch quickly. If he had baited those forcefields, pulled out (sure you lose some roaches because of the obs but not that many) and waited until the FFs expire to engage, he would've faired much better.


There were TONS of FFs, he could put em back up later

*Note, I'm not saying Toss is OP, just saying why I feel July did what he did

That's why I'm saying you need to rinse and repeat. Keep baiting those FFs until he runs out. Sure you might lose your 3rd but you can run your drones away and the constant baiting will give July time to get more units out. Once the FFs are gone, move in and crush the army. Even if you had lost the 3rd hatch in the process, you can counter attack and do damage/contain.


To match the 4gate army production we need 2 hatch ( and 1 queen at least) in terms of larva and cost of units. That's why you often see people losing to 4gate even though they scouted and prepared it. It's because they forgot to inject one time and couldn't keep up with the protoss production ( so if you are protoss, if you manage to kill that 2nd hatch it's auto-win with reinforcement )

To match the 6/7 gate production ( which is almost 2time more units than 4gate ) you need 3 hatchs with queens larva-wise. Losing the third is auto-lose also.
The only thing he could have done was catch the protoss army on his way instead of playing around his third
haylmfao
Profile Joined January 2011
124 Posts
April 30 2011 09:04 GMT
#2598
On April 30 2011 17:57 bEnBo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:55 Rebel_lion wrote:
a protoss just outmassed a zerg. Zerg had more bases.

Protoss has most cost effective units plus the easiest army to mass (warp in helps alot)

I'm just stunned. wow.



Toss was allin and the zerg was not.

Didn't Artosis mention that they both had 48 workers each? Not sure but I think I heard him say that.
Still, July had more stuff at the beginnning (food was like 130 to 100) but the forcefields made the Protoss army untouchable and he kept trying to push in.
Skipton
Profile Joined December 2010
United States707 Posts
April 30 2011 09:05 GMT
#2599
On April 30 2011 18:03 bEnBo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 18:00 Skipton wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:59 bEnBo wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:55 Skipton wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:53 bEnBo wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:48 Elementsu wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:45 nick1689 wrote:
Lol its funny, if July opted to instead go for an all-in 2 base Roach attack, instead of expanding, everyone here would be talking about how awesome his play is... Yet as soon as any toss all-ins everyone QQs

Because toss allins are very good an easy to execute, and you can win just doing them like anypro, while zerg allins need better execution and more thought behind it.



This probably the worst thing I have ever read on team liquid. Seriously, go post on the blizzard forums and leave this thread. This thread has no place for bronze newb qq zerg balance whining. You have no idea how tight the timings where on that all in nor how difficult it was to execute, and you were probably cheering yesterday when Losira allin'd Alicia with that roach ling push that is near impossible to stop.


What do you mean the timing was tight? He ran around for 1-2 minutes before even engaging.



He was setting up backup pylons while waiting for an observer and and the armor to finish. Why dont you wipe your tears away and actually watch the game instead of crying about imbalance.


I think you're taking a bit more offense to this than I am. He engaged at first without an observer.



He engaged just so he could get the pylon closer to the ramp.. but he couldnt commit because of burrow.


You're giving him far more credit than I think he deserves. He engaged at that point in time in an attempt to kill the army or take the third out. He's not Alicia or MC.
bluestuff
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada893 Posts
April 30 2011 09:05 GMT
#2600
On April 30 2011 18:01 bEnBo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 17:59 Clog wrote:
On April 30 2011 17:52 whiterabbit wrote:
I am disgusted by amount of tears from Zerg players on LR threads. First it was funny, but lately it became just stupid. Go back to Idra fanclub and whine about everything that kills you.

And is there even a way for Protoss to win and not get flamed? Early game win = flame, mid game win = flame, late game win = flame... and then when some lovely Zerg player annihilates some Protoss with all kind of gimmicky strats that's all fine and justified.

I am not P player and I cheered for July but amount of scrubs who are trying to justify their Bronze leagues on LR topics is just too pathetic.


This condescending attitude is really uncalled for. A lot of zergs feel the matchup is imba, so they're going to talk about it on the forums, and calling them Bronze league scrubs isn't going to change anything.



That is because they are, and the match up is not imbalanced.

Call it what you will but game 1 showed a clearly broken part of the meta game. The fact of the matter is that the nexus cancel is essentially a coin flip to decide the game, and frankly thats bullshit. July guessed wrong and even with Anypro losing the forward pylon, the probe, and the voidray he still loses because of the lack of an defenders advantage when facing warp gate.
Prev 1 128 129 130 131 132 139 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 44m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 83
StarCraft: Brood War
Killer 723
Shuttle 538
EffOrt 491
Tasteless 349
Leta 277
actioN 118
Light 96
PianO 67
Soma 66
ggaemo 66
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 65
hero 50
sSak 41
Mind 35
ToSsGirL 24
Bale 19
Sharp 19
Noble 17
scan(afreeca) 10
Sacsri 6
Dota 2
BananaSlamJamma197
XcaliburYe99
League of Legends
JimRising 613
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss408
olofmeister341
semphis_25
Other Games
summit1g6749
WinterStarcraft589
ceh9396
crisheroes150
NeuroSwarm41
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick565
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 343
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt876
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
1h 44m
BeSt vs Alone
Queen vs Bisu
Kung Fu Cup
3h 44m
TaeJa vs Classic
Creator vs SHIN
Rogue vs MaxPax
PiGosaur Monday
15h 44m
Kung Fu Cup
1d 3h
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
OSC
1d 7h
OSC
1d 15h
RSL Revival
2 days
Cure vs SHIN
Reynor vs Zoun
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
[ Show More ]
Online Event
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
BSL Team Wars
3 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
BSL Team Wars
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
4 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
BSL Team Wars
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21: BSL Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.