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Yesterday's broadcast has had its issues. We all saw it. There are 10+ pages of whining. There is an entirely new cast going on now. Please keep whining about issues experienced yesterday to yourself going forward in the thread and allow other people to enjoy the games.
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1256 Posts
April 18 2011 01:41 GMT
#581
I'm happy Idra won this series. Socke winning with two 5 gate nexus cancel in a bo3 would have been kinda ridiculous... Horrible response to Idra's drop by him in game 2 as well.
Mutation complete.
mixXanber
Profile Joined November 2010
United States96 Posts
April 18 2011 01:41 GMT
#582
actually, on his stream, IdrA does this a lot, it absolutely destroys 3 gate sentry expands without perfect forcefields/protection of cannons/warping in right units. I doubt whether IdrA was looking ahead to a nexus cancel, but just to punish a 3 gate expand.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
April 18 2011 01:41 GMT
#583
Fun interview with Idra after that victory. Even sitting in Brent's chair!
Baby_Seal
Profile Joined August 2010
United States360 Posts
April 18 2011 01:41 GMT
#584
Good job by IdrA, very good play =)
kagemucha
Profile Joined August 2010
United States326 Posts
April 18 2011 01:42 GMT
#585
NASL has terrible commercial timings. Just turned on my adblock after "trying" to support esports.
Ezze
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada934 Posts
April 18 2011 01:42 GMT
#586
On April 18 2011 10:40 Clog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 10:37 Ezze wrote:
So Zerg can both expand AND outproduce a 5 gate Protoss? How does that work? I die to this on ladder all the time. All they have to do is make some roaches and my 5 gate dies. I only win when they expand a 3rd time


Well, looking at the zerg, the 2nd hatchery can be used for straight up production, which is what happened that game. He got the expo, got a few drones, and then started powering units. The protoss's play involved delaying the 4th and 5th warp gates to try and trick the opponent into thinking it was an expansion build.

One player committed to an all-in, the other did a cutesy trickery all-in.


Yea but the Zerg also had 4 more harvesters and a ton of minerals. He could have even put down a 3rd hatch.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 18 2011 01:42 GMT
#587
For everyone with significant lag issues: see this topic. It has a whole bunch of suggestions and also has a place for you to list your system specs so he/jtv can try to figure out the problem.
Gamgee
Profile Joined August 2010
United States135 Posts
April 18 2011 01:42 GMT
#588
Anyone else having an issue where the ad plays, then afterwards the sound is muted (or rather, the sound controls on the player still say it's at max, but there's no sound), and you have to tweak the volume in the player (just click it up or down) and suddenly sound comes back?
Reptarem
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
155 Posts
April 18 2011 01:43 GMT
#589
On April 18 2011 10:39 Gentso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 10:38 Tachion wrote:
All 3 games were a 100% dice roll.

How is that enjoyable?


That's starcraft(2).. dice rolls are suspenseful, and therefore exciting.

Craps is pretty exciting as well!
sail
Profile Joined September 2010
United States127 Posts
April 18 2011 01:43 GMT
#590
Idra seems so happy. It's nice.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
April 18 2011 01:43 GMT
#591
On April 18 2011 10:42 kagemucha wrote:
NASL has terrible commercial timings. Just turned on my adblock after "trying" to support esports.


set up two streams

one with adblock and one without. mute the stream without adblock and put it on 240.
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Aequos
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada606 Posts
April 18 2011 01:43 GMT
#592
This was in no way a blind counter - seeing the expand build tells him that his opponent is either doing a 5 gate all in or a standard 3 gate expand. Zerg can stop producing fighting units and start producing drones at any time, and he had the extra minerals to do so (as people saw).

If, when his lings got there, he saw a completed nexus, he could back off and produce a bunch of drones. He's safe against light aggression as he has a small standing army. The extra minerals can become another base, and he can safely pump drones.

I really think that IdrA had the right idea there - he isn't that far behind if it fails, as he can stop building units. Unlike a Terran or Protoss, the production economy transfers nicely into workers.

Then again, this is just my opinion, so I'll happily be overwritten by more experienced players if they have one.
I first realized Immortals were reincarnated Dragoons when I saw them dancing helplessly behind my Stalkers.
LightWireEX
Profile Joined September 2010
United States387 Posts
April 18 2011 01:43 GMT
#593
Great interview, you can tell incontrol and idra are very comfortable talking to each other about strategy. :D
ghOst.3344
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
April 18 2011 01:43 GMT
#594
Was expecting a much better series but congratulations to IdrA
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
April 18 2011 01:44 GMT
#595
On April 18 2011 10:42 Ezze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 10:40 Clog wrote:
On April 18 2011 10:37 Ezze wrote:
So Zerg can both expand AND outproduce a 5 gate Protoss? How does that work? I die to this on ladder all the time. All they have to do is make some roaches and my 5 gate dies. I only win when they expand a 3rd time


Well, looking at the zerg, the 2nd hatchery can be used for straight up production, which is what happened that game. He got the expo, got a few drones, and then started powering units. The protoss's play involved delaying the 4th and 5th warp gates to try and trick the opponent into thinking it was an expansion build.

One player committed to an all-in, the other did a cutesy trickery all-in.


Yea but the Zerg also had 4 more harvesters and a ton of minerals. He could have even put down a 3rd hatch.


This is true. But I think if the Protoss had played a little bit more standard with extra sentries, as well as cannons after throwing down the forge, he would have been okay economically and defensively. Who knows though.
NesTea | LosirA | MVP | CoCa | Nada | Ryung | DRG | YongHwa
425kid
Profile Joined March 2011
416 Posts
April 18 2011 01:44 GMT
#596
Lol Idra says he cheesed
MCMXVI
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1193 Posts
April 18 2011 01:44 GMT
#597
They should ask Idra straight up why he didn't GG in the 1st game :p
In capitalist America, bank robs YOU!
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
April 18 2011 01:44 GMT
#598
On April 18 2011 10:42 kagemucha wrote:
NASL has terrible commercial timings. Just turned on my adblock after "trying" to support esports.


It must be so hard for you, having to hold esports on your shoulders like Atlas himself, and missing 30 seconds of an interview. Kind of a dick move that you deny them income just because they put up an ad at an inconvenient time.
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
April 18 2011 01:44 GMT
#599
On April 18 2011 10:38 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 10:36 00Visor wrote:
On April 18 2011 10:36 Elean wrote:
blind countering an all in by another all in...


this
how can Sockes all-in be lame, and Idras awesome?

Blind fanboyism. Socke could've done a 6-pronged attack off of 8 bases, and people would still be saying it was noobish all in play.


Heh I agree that there is a lot of blind IdrA fanboyism in this thread, but seriously? Socke did the incredibly cheesy 5-gate Nexus Cancel attack 2 games in a Bo3. The guy obviously either wanted to piss off IdrA or just really did not want to play a macro game.

The Hydra drop was sort of an all-in, but if Socke had been paying attention to his Probes he could have easily stopped it. Nothing even remotely close to getting your ramp FF'd and subsequently losing the game.

Regardless, a great series that was exciting from start to finish. Not all ZvP's have to be giant, 30 minute macro games.
quentel
Profile Joined March 2011
349 Posts
April 18 2011 01:44 GMT
#600
Idra gives such ace interviews of this sort, quite insightful
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