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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
April 16 2011 23:09 GMT
#6221
Poll: How awesome is MoonBear?

What a hero <3 (15)
 
45%

SUPER AWESOME (14)
 
42%

My boss thanked me because of his LR (4)
 
12%

33 total votes

Your vote: How awesome is MoonBear?

(Vote): SUPER AWESOME
(Vote): What a hero <3
(Vote): My boss thanked me because of his LR


"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
April 16 2011 23:10 GMT
#6222
So yeah....
MONDRAGON FIGHTING!!!
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
April 16 2011 23:10 GMT
#6223
On April 17 2011 08:09 SmoKim wrote:
Poll: How awesome is MoonBear?

What a hero <3 (15)
 
45%

SUPER AWESOME (14)
 
42%

My boss thanked me because of his LR (4)
 
12%

33 total votes

Your vote: How awesome is MoonBear?

(Vote): SUPER AWESOME
(Vote): What a hero <3
(Vote): My boss thanked me because of his LR





Tsk, i cant believe someone is LRing in an LR thread. This thread is for balance whine and player bashing only!

No, i love moonbear :D
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
Ezekyle
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia607 Posts
April 16 2011 23:11 GMT
#6224
On April 17 2011 08:08 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 08:03 entropius wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:59 Ezekyle wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:55 DiaBoLuS wrote:
ppl who say morrows wins were more entertaining should play action games, not strategy games...

protoss is bound to play defensive unless they allin, timingpush or do airharassment - there is simply no window to create "wow what impressive play" moments.


Right, and that's why people don't recommend games where the Protoss wins. Because there are no "wow what impressive play" moments (except when San is involved, because he's a boss). It's just a few attacks failing utterly and then the Protoss rolling over their opponent. It may be skilful and strategic, but it sure as hell isn't fun to watch.


I think this is exactly why people *do* recommend the Adelscott games. Rather than boring cololsus deathball stuff, he uses intelligently-managed upgraded gateway units to create advantageous positioning and then engages with it.


I've tried, oh I've tried to make that work against Zerg. Fact is, there's just too painful a timing window between when they get Hydras and you get HTs. As Protoss, you either have to go Colossus or hope they don't get Burrow Roaches or fast Hydras. If they do either, you're in a world of hurt. If you can pull off the HT mob, though, you're golden. Just keep expanding and engaging and you'll win no problem.

It works brilliantly against Terran, though. It almost seems unfair: I've got something like a 95% win ratio against Terran with this strategy.


I think San has shown that his no collosus style actually does work against Zerg. Plus MC and San have both shown that gateway units with proper force fields and blink micro can actually just run into a hydra-roach army and kill it. If you can beat Nestea and July with that style you can beat any Zerg.
bluestuff
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada893 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 23:13:45
April 16 2011 23:11 GMT
#6225
if you look at statistically from the last three major tournaments, zerg have being doing generally pretty abysmal. 2 zerg in ro8 wgsl, non in ro4, no zerg in top 6 MLG, and now only 1 left potentially for ro8 in TSL. I'm not necessary insinuating that zerg are under powered, but at the very least you could argue that right now the current meta game does not favor zerg.
quentel
Profile Joined March 2011
349 Posts
April 16 2011 23:11 GMT
#6226
On April 17 2011 08:01 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:57 MildSeven wrote:
Result went as I expected, Hasu seems to have only one playstyle, exploiting the current imbalance of Protoss' most cost-efficient composition, instead of calling for protoss to be agressive, it forces zerg to be more proactive.

No matter how much larger zerg's food count is, the protoss death ball and turtling can curcumvent with ease, zerg are pushed to commit to extremely creative plays and i hope this meta-game shifts continually where zerg can finally figure out a smooth way of countering the turtling protoss voids/colo play. It allows lower tier players like Hasu and TT1 to appear high tier, but nonetheless a win is a win, and that's how the game should be played, there's morals behind it, simply exploiting your strengths and opponent's weaknesses.

Well played Morrow, saw some excellent zerg agression.

To Hasu, good for you.


xD you are so stupid, you should get banned for being an idiot.



User was temp banned for this post.



hah @ DiaBoLuS

User was warned for this post
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
April 16 2011 23:11 GMT
#6227
GG Boxer! Such a great series. TvZ is the best match-up atm imo
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
loveeholicce
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Korea (South)785 Posts
April 16 2011 23:12 GMT
#6228
Love looking at the automated ban list after TSL games lol. Theres 3 pages of "don't balance whine"
상처받은 그대에 가슴에 사랑을 심어줄께요♥
aurum510
Profile Joined July 2010
United States229 Posts
April 16 2011 23:12 GMT
#6229
On April 17 2011 08:11 bluestuff wrote:
if you look at statistically from the last three major tournaments, zerg have being doing generally pretty abysmal. 2 zerg in ro8 wgsl, non in ro4. No zerg in top 6 MLG. and now only 1 left potentially for ro8 in TSL. I'm not necessary insinuating that zerg are under powered, but at the very least you could argue that right now the current meta game does not favor zerg.


IdrA was the highest placed zerg at MLG, and he got 13th place.
OnlineHero
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark647 Posts
April 16 2011 23:14 GMT
#6230
On April 17 2011 08:07 gibb wrote:
Summary;
Great games, a ton of fun, great casting and way too much balance whine in the LR thread.
I'm extra happy that BoxeR showed a great set of games too!


I don't think balance whine will ever completely disappear from LR threads unfortunately. A lot of zergs have trouble with ZvP, this is a fact. They get dissapointed when their zerg heroes get slaughtered by toss. They shouldn't discuss it in the LR, but they just can't help themselves because they care too much about the game. It's worth noting that there was no zerg QQ in the Sen vs. Boxer series, I think it's specifically about ZvP.
<3
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 16 2011 23:15 GMT
#6231
--- Nuked ---
entropius
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1046 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 23:17:18
April 16 2011 23:15 GMT
#6232
On April 17 2011 08:12 loveeholicce wrote:
Love looking at the automated ban list after PvZ TSL games lol. Theres 3 pages of "don't balance whine"


Fixed that for you.

Seriously, I don't recall any discussion of zvt balance after Boxer's (fucking amazing) series against Sen. All the comments were things like "Boxer is such a badass" and "I wonder if Sen could have done better if he'd used more infestors and fewer mutas?"
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 23:20:27
April 16 2011 23:17 GMT
#6233
Right, i was a 3300 Masters Zerg for a while last season and hit a barrier with them. I just couldn't seem to get past it and Zerg felt extremely weak. Seeing how the pros were performing it looked pretty bleak being a Zerg. Tbh, i had my QQing moments (Not on here or in the games, but let's just say expletives were said irl :p. Then i realised how whiney i sounded and if i truly felt Zerg were the weakest race. Why continue playing as them? Why instantly penalise yourself before a game has even begun? It just doesn't make sense.

So i swallowed my pride and swapped races to what i considered the strongest race if played correctly (Protoss). I've been playing them since the end of last season and the beginning of this season. And learnt so much from the whole experience. Tbh the match up i hate right now is PvZ. I never realised just how immobile Protoss feel when you are controlling them in the early game. And how deadly the little things Zerg can do are such as ling run bys and harass are. How weak Protoss are until the 5:30-6:00 minute mark and vulnerable to timing attacks/all ins/cheese. Things such as ling run bys and nydus canals can really delay your push or 3rd and really aren't utilised enough. Things you need to hit at the right time as Protoss before Zerg hit their stride.

Timings are so important for Protoss and if i went back to Zerg now, i know i would certainly play the match up differently and exploit the weaknesses i've found. I never realised how frightening an aggressive Zerg is to a Protoss player. Baneling drops are ridiculous :p. I'd recommend to anybody who has a problem with a match up. To play that race for a couple of weeks. And then you'll realise what they are weak against. What that certain build you are struggling with is weak against. And when you go back to your main race. You'll have so much more knowledge to play with and win more games as a result. And if you win all your games because that race is so OP. Then stick to it.

Seriously guys, stop QQing and start trying to figure things out. Pretend a patch is never coming and work with what you've got. It's what Brood War had to do for years.
ypslala
Profile Joined April 2011
Burma545 Posts
April 16 2011 23:18 GMT
#6234
On April 17 2011 07:55 DiaBoLuS wrote:
ppl who say morrows wins were more entertaining should play action games, not strategy games...

protoss is bound to play defensive unless they allin, timingpush or do airharassment - there is simply no window to create "wow what impressive play" moments.

thats why it looks so easy to play protoss, but it defenetly is not...

right - i play zerg btw, and for me its easier, i do better in that race.
best SC2 game of aaaaaaall time: vibe vs avilo (don't miss the end!!): https://youtu.be/mygH92WzKV4
Magic_Mike
Profile Joined May 2010
United States542 Posts
April 16 2011 23:20 GMT
#6235
On April 17 2011 08:01 WellDuh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:50 busbarn wrote:
Games being recommended because MorroW actually doing something hard (breaking 2-3 basing toss)

Games not recommended when hasuobs just sits in base and wins

no balance whine but that's actually how the games were haha

You're giving swedes bad name for your biased bullshit. Better shut up. HasuObs isn't playing for your own entertainment, but to win. And if MorroW doesn't know how to handle "sitting in their base" protosses then he needs to gtfo from the tournament.


HasuObs is indeed playing for our entertainment as well as to win. If StarCraft was only about winning there would of been no TSL. No fans, no tournaments, no money. Just sayin.


Everhate
Profile Joined September 2010
United States640 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 23:21:29
April 16 2011 23:21 GMT
#6236
On April 17 2011 08:09 SmoKim wrote:
Poll: How awesome is MoonBear?

What a hero <3 (15)
 
45%

SUPER AWESOME (14)
 
42%

My boss thanked me because of his LR (4)
 
12%

33 total votes

Your vote: How awesome is MoonBear?

(Vote): SUPER AWESOME
(Vote): What a hero <3
(Vote): My boss thanked me because of his LR




Think I have to combine 2 of those and say he's a super hero <3

Edit: perhaps even super hero boss mode?
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
April 16 2011 23:21 GMT
#6237
On April 17 2011 07:57 fish83814 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:50 vrok wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:46 littlejunior wrote:
Only one zerg remain in TSL.



It broke our zerg hearts . . .

Dude... Forget zerg... Fucking Boxer IS BACK!!!


Who the hell is Boxer??
I didn't play sc:bw and I didn't care how well he done
The fact he killed my favorite player just broke my heart....

Not saying he is bad or anything but just cannot bare the fact almost all zergs are out

Ignorance is only the fault of yourself. I expect you will learn from this mistake and do better in the future.

Long live the Emperor.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
April 16 2011 23:21 GMT
#6238
On April 17 2011 08:11 bluestuff wrote:
if you look at statistically from the last three major tournaments, zerg have being doing generally pretty abysmal. 2 zerg in ro8 wgsl, non in ro4, no zerg in top 6 MLG, and now only 1 left potentially for ro8 in TSL. I'm not necessary insinuating that zerg are under powered, but at the very least you could argue that right now the current meta game does not favor zerg.


I like the way you phrase this, and I think people are losing perspective on the greater picture. It should be enough to say that ZvP is probably the hardest match-up in the game currently without making a statement about balance.

This set today was really fun to watch and really had me on the edge of my seat. I think Morrow looked like the better player mechanically but his strategies were kind of stale. Haven't seen that kind of roach/hydra play in a while, but maybe thats still big in Europe or good against the styles that Hasu typically uses.


Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
April 16 2011 23:25 GMT
#6239
This gif sums up my feelings today: http://i.imgur.com/yYHE0.gif

Sad to see morrow go out, but hey - you can't have everything.
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
April 16 2011 23:26 GMT
#6240
When the Emperor wins, no one really loses. I apologize for doubting you.
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