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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:59 p4NDemik wrote: I'm pretty sure its completely true. Not knowing who Kas is if you're from EU server and follow their scene at all is like living in Seoul, following GSL, and not knowing MKP or MVP. Exactly. Or like following NA-players and not knowing Idra. | ||
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Marooned
Norway161 Posts
About the lag, I can to some extent understand the people that says micro is affected. If it actually is 400 ms (0,4s) like some say, then it will problably effect certain situations. But its not like the other player is at 0 latency, so the actual difference is alot smaller. And this is an rts game, not fps, so I emphasize the certain situations bit. Macro on the other hand.. | ||
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iAmBiGbiRd
Australia1029 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:03 Hot_Bid wrote: People would know Kas better if he didn't just boss his way into the TSL in the first qualifier :/ Lolololololol that is fucking epic but actually true aswell, he crushed through the first bracket ezpz and so anyone who hadnt really heard of TSL or the hype behind it probably missed him lol | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
 Shame about qxc - on the verge! Just needed one more win - great come back by Adel Adel vs Kas should be interesting hehe | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote: I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- You make a terrible statement and line of reasoning then proceeding defence of this statement/reasoning is opened by insulting my intelligence and "lack of comprehension". I respect you because of the work you do in translating so I won't take this any further but I warn you now, this isn't how you act on here. Take a long hard look at your reasoning and you will find the answer to your questions. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=183201 | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:03 Hot_Bid wrote: People would know Kas better if he didn't just boss his way into the TSL in the first qualifier :/ from TSL FAQ If I win a tournament can I play in the others? No, you cannot. You cannot secretly play under another name -- this will result in disqualification from the TSL and future TL events. Im pretty sure this point was added to FAQ when you guys heard that Kas will play in the qualifiers  | ||
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Nomadic
United Kingdom312 Posts
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Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
For people who say Kas is "random" or "unknown" you either never followed any tournament or you are just clueless about game. He's probably best terran outside korea and he can win anyone if he practises for it which he will. Looking at online tournament results and just basic play of any player Kas is probably favorite to take whole tournament. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
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Unnamed
148 Posts
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:33 Azrael22 wrote: Why do you say that we aren't getting it? Seems to me that when Koreans aren't sitting in their home country playing in familiar conditions against people with jet lag, and playing in a foreign country, they don't appear to be any better than foreigners. What's wrong with that? I feel like many people's prejudices regarding koreans vs foreigners are clouding their judgement. Eventually when foreigners have as much success as Koreans, you have to start saying maybe they aren't better! 1. Why is only being able to play in "familiar conditions" an issue. Why should the Koreans have to train in lag? The game is not balanced around lag-filled conditions. The game is, especially at the competitive level, not meant to be played on laggy conditions. Why do you think the majority of the high prestige events are played on LAN? Think of it this way. Lag is like a handicap; if both players play under the same laggy conditions, then the skill cap of the game is lowered. If you look at what separates the Koreans from the foreigners, it's not the macro, but instead the micro. Every progamer can macro flawlessly when not having to micro. The edge that Korean training provides is better multitasking. This means that they can keep up their macro, while also slowly building up small advantages through micro (harass, defending against harass, positioning, marine splitting). Being able to beat someone under skill capped conditions (yes even if both players are lagging equally, the skill ceiling is still lowered) does not make you the better player. 2. Also, look at IEM, where players with Korean training swept 1-4. All 4 players (Ace, Moonglade, Squirtle, Moon) played with jet lag and in unfamiliar conditions. 3. Look at the FXOPEN series. Koreans competed against North Americans and Europeans on the NORTH AMERICAN server, yet still won the latest THREE tournaments. 4. I am going to make a deeper analysis of the recent GSL World Championship, as this is the tournament i assume you are alluding to in your emotionally tinged post. If you compare the conditions the foreigners went through here to what the Koreans went through in IEM, it becomes obvious the foreigners were afforded much better conditions. -Starting with the Jet Lag, the IEM lasted from March 1-4, whereas WC lasted from March 28 to April 9th. Longer tournament = more time to become acclimated to local time conditions and shrug off jet lag. Also all the European countries represented had the same or negligible time zone differences. Only foreign player at IEM with jet lag were Idra, Fenix, and Moonglade. QXC is residing in Europe at the time. -Ace played his first games ONE day after he arrived in Germany at IEM. He also had to play against FIVE other opponents in Bo3 format. Squirtle, Moon, and Moonglade played their games TWO days after arriving. -Huk (who lives in Korea), Whitera, and Dimaga played their first game that mattered THREE days after arriving against ONE opponent in Bo3 format. TT1, Moonglade, Morrow, Sen, and Jinro (who also lives in Korea) played their games FOUR days after arriving. - A Show match between the IM B-team against the World Allstars was played on April 6th, TEN days after arriving, yet the world team still lost, albeit a show match doesn't show too much. -Whitera lost against MC 3-0 (TSL) and Bomber 8-2 (show match) in very one sided games under equal conditions latency conditions mid way into his stay in Korea. -World Allstars were given both a practice house with lots of players and a knowledgeable coach (Artosis) to help them craft sniping builds against their first/second round opponents. The Koreans at IEM were given neither. -And Yes, i understand TT1 was sick and couldn't play at 100% -Based on interviews, twitter posts, and general consensus, it was obvious that the Koreans did not take foreigners seriously enough at the beginning. While it is definitely the Koreans fault for not adequately preparing, it does not make them the worse overall players. 6. Don't accuse others of Korean bias when you display you display blatant foreigner bias. | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
On April 11 2011 02:05 DamnCats wrote: Btw kas will 3-0 nada and adel 3-1 qxc Awww, so close ;D | ||
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mdma-_-
Nauru1213 Posts
On April 11 2011 07:25 cheesemaster wrote: Also if Kas is so well known and considered the best terran in europe why isnt he invited to events like the Dreamhack invitational? Im not denying he is one of the best terrans , but im suprised the supposed best terran in europe wouldnt get invited to this event. Dreamhack invites seem to be based on popularity only look at huk, ret, tlo and boxer being invited, whilst their results do not justify the invites at all. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On April 11 2011 07:16 Nomadic wrote: I think nada is really overrated tbh... it seems like he isn't taking sc2 that seriously, at least not as serious as he took bw. more or less anyone who followed bw knows what nada is capable of but he doesn't seem to be fully applying himself, i remember idra said the exact same thing :/. But i am shocked at people who didn't know who the hell Kas was... people must be really ignorant of the European scene to doubt Kas For someone not taking it seriously he performs pretty damn well in the GSL... He's also at university so he can't practice as much. Not making excuses for him, but I think given his circumstances he isn't overrated at all, and rather Kas is grossly underrated by much of the North American community. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On April 11 2011 07:23 Unnamed wrote: I think there was also other thing that helped Kas besides his impressive TvT. He was completely mentally free, there was no psychological pressure. Nada is a legend since BW and everybody expect high results and good show from him. While Kas not known much and more looked like underdog, if he loses - nothing unexpected to everyone, but if win Nada - "what a beast!" You cant say that there was no psychological pressure. Each win at this stage is doubling his earnings from this tournament. There is always pressure. | ||
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