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On April 11 2011 06:36 javy925 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:20 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:16 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote:
Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow. Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are. I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Who's calling this an upset? I'm assuming at least 50 pages of people from all the argument I happened to walk into..? Also apparently the SotG crew? The people posting in this thread calling it an upset are probably the same people who are ignorant of the EU scene and do not follow the tourneys that Kas has won. If you've actually watched Kas play and watch Nada's recent performance in GSL, you should know that this was ABSOLUTELY not an upset. You are not qualified to call something an upset if you grossly underestimate a player simply because you are ignorant of his accomplishments. If Kas was some randy who never won anything and beat Nada, then yes, that would definitely be an upset.
Round of 8 the most recent gsl and almost every other gsl hes participated in is nothing to scoff at.
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On April 11 2011 06:29 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:26 vdale wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote:
Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow. Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are. I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Naniwa said in an Interview 1 month ago, that Kas is the best player in Europe (at that time). Kas is winning online tournaments left and right: In the last 7 days it was the go4sc2 monthly final (his second in a row), the gcpl individual cup and maybe another -> 2 * 500$ pricemoney for go4sc2 and gcpl.Some reasons why he is unknown to many people: 1) he isn't a community person 2) he isn't an (North-)American 3) he has WC3 and not BW background 4) he doesn't play many offline-tournaments (lost to Morrow in Assembly, but TvZ is by far his weakest matchup and Morrow placed second) Those tournaments didn't get much attention/coverage. Kas has done nothing but play in minor tournaments, and has won absolutely NOTHING of significance up until this TSL match. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people not knowing who he is.
The thing is... In those tournaments you see Socke, Dimaga, Demuslim (used to), Kas, Goody, Cloud, Morrow, Sjow....... Nearly all the EU greats play in them, some attend every single one, some only a few each month.
Yes, they don't have much coverage... But they are THE thing to watch if you truly want to see whats up in the EU scene  .
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On April 11 2011 06:27 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:26 Lanker wrote:On April 11 2011 06:22 vrok wrote:On April 11 2011 06:20 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:16 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote:
Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow. Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are. I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Who's calling this an upset? I'm assuming at least 50 pages of people from all the argument I happened to walk into..? Also apparently the SotG crew? People who don't actually follow the SC2 pro scene very much are irrelevant. What the SotG crew says has little relevance. To anything. They don't know what they're talking about for most of the time. They're not hardcore pro scene followers. Look at the first 5 pages or so of this thread. End of discussion really. If you follow the pro scene you'd know about Kas. It's that simple. How do they not know what they're talking about? I'm pretty sure Idra, Tyler and Day9 know about 50x more than you about starcraft 2, seeing as it is their profession. playing a lot doesn't mean that they follow the pro scene.
It seems to me like if someone were IN the pro-scene (Tyler, Geoff, IdrA) then it would be pretty damn easy to follow it.
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Upset - word of the year 2011.
In all seriousness, you shouldn't be calling anyone a clear favorite among those people playing the TSL. I understand if casters do it to some extent to hype the games/results but there isn't anyone yet as dominant as it would be needed to create a real "upset". The one closest to that status is MC, but he still loses to people he should win against.
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Apparantly it isn't, because their predictions have been off.
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On April 11 2011 06:40 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:27 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:26 Lanker wrote:On April 11 2011 06:22 vrok wrote:On April 11 2011 06:20 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:16 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote:
Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow. Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are. I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Who's calling this an upset? I'm assuming at least 50 pages of people from all the argument I happened to walk into..? Also apparently the SotG crew? People who don't actually follow the SC2 pro scene very much are irrelevant. What the SotG crew says has little relevance. To anything. They don't know what they're talking about for most of the time. They're not hardcore pro scene followers. Look at the first 5 pages or so of this thread. End of discussion really. If you follow the pro scene you'd know about Kas. It's that simple. How do they not know what they're talking about? I'm pretty sure Idra, Tyler and Day9 know about 50x more than you about starcraft 2, seeing as it is their profession. playing a lot doesn't mean that they follow the pro scene. It seems to me like if someone were IN the pro-scene (Tyler, Geoff, IdrA) then it would be pretty damn easy to follow it.
You would be incorrect. With tournaments more or less going on 24/7 these days most do not follow the scene outside of GSL that deep. They have to do normal life stuff and practice A LOT which means there is not 20+ hours a day to watch the 400 tournaments going on ant any given time.
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On April 11 2011 06:40 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:27 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:26 Lanker wrote:On April 11 2011 06:22 vrok wrote:On April 11 2011 06:20 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:16 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote:
Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow. Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are. I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Who's calling this an upset? I'm assuming at least 50 pages of people from all the argument I happened to walk into..? Also apparently the SotG crew? People who don't actually follow the SC2 pro scene very much are irrelevant. What the SotG crew says has little relevance. To anything. They don't know what they're talking about for most of the time. They're not hardcore pro scene followers. Look at the first 5 pages or so of this thread. End of discussion really. If you follow the pro scene you'd know about Kas. It's that simple. How do they not know what they're talking about? I'm pretty sure Idra, Tyler and Day9 know about 50x more than you about starcraft 2, seeing as it is their profession. playing a lot doesn't mean that they follow the pro scene. It seems to me like if someone were IN the pro-scene (Tyler, Geoff, IdrA) then it would be pretty damn easy to follow it.
i agree with you and i'll add that ignoring a threat like kas is, isn't a good idea!
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On April 11 2011 06:26 FinBenton wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:58 Chill wrote:On April 11 2011 05:55 cheesemaster wrote:
Okay my question to people that dont think lag was a factor at all in any of the KR vs US/EU games is, why are all these Korean players underperfoming in every single game then, aside from MC so far every single game koreans have made silly mistakes that you would never see them make in a LAN setting or a GSL, like literally never. So what is your reasoning for them underperfoming? Regardless of weather they are used to the opposing players play style or not it shouldnt mean that they get supply blocked mis micro etc etc so often when we see them play at such a high caliber at Lan settings like the gsl. How did MC micro his Zealot perfectly in game 1 vs Ciara? How did Nada micro his Banshee perfectly against TLO? . Its not like huge LAG is there in every game. User was warned for this post
Ok so if Koreans win, it was fine. If they lose, it was lag. Got it.
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Holy **ing **it. I missed the games, reads the comments (wich seat should i TAKE).
-Blaming the so called "upset" on lag (I think we all know this is rubbish by now, people who states this as the reason why koreans loose most be super naive). Fatal misstakes where done and bulletproof play was executed. Lag doesnt affect that by almost any means.
-Thorzain vs Fruitdealer may have been an upset, because who the **** is thorzain. He havn't preformed at any tournament at all except the TL open, unknown player crushing a top champ.
Look at any Go4SC2 tournament, and if Kas is attending he is likely be playing the finals. I generally hate Kas because he always wins and smack my zerg fellows up (and I guess he also smack his fellow terrans up). Almost the best EU terran versus the maybe not the best korean.
Signing out, can't wait for VOD's :D
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On April 11 2011 06:40 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:27 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:26 Lanker wrote:On April 11 2011 06:22 vrok wrote:On April 11 2011 06:20 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:16 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote:
Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow. Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are. I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Who's calling this an upset? I'm assuming at least 50 pages of people from all the argument I happened to walk into..? Also apparently the SotG crew? People who don't actually follow the SC2 pro scene very much are irrelevant. What the SotG crew says has little relevance. To anything. They don't know what they're talking about for most of the time. They're not hardcore pro scene followers. Look at the first 5 pages or so of this thread. End of discussion really. If you follow the pro scene you'd know about Kas. It's that simple. How do they not know what they're talking about? I'm pretty sure Idra, Tyler and Day9 know about 50x more than you about starcraft 2, seeing as it is their profession. playing a lot doesn't mean that they follow the pro scene. It seems to me like if someone were IN the pro-scene (Tyler, Geoff, IdrA) then it would be pretty damn easy to follow it.
The NA scene maybe, they obviously don't follow the EU scene
literally everybody here knows Kas
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On April 11 2011 06:40 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:27 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:26 Lanker wrote:On April 11 2011 06:22 vrok wrote:On April 11 2011 06:20 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:16 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote:
Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow. Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are. I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Who's calling this an upset? I'm assuming at least 50 pages of people from all the argument I happened to walk into..? Also apparently the SotG crew? People who don't actually follow the SC2 pro scene very much are irrelevant. What the SotG crew says has little relevance. To anything. They don't know what they're talking about for most of the time. They're not hardcore pro scene followers. Look at the first 5 pages or so of this thread. End of discussion really. If you follow the pro scene you'd know about Kas. It's that simple. How do they not know what they're talking about? I'm pretty sure Idra, Tyler and Day9 know about 50x more than you about starcraft 2, seeing as it is their profession. playing a lot doesn't mean that they follow the pro scene. It seems to me like if someone were IN the pro-scene (Tyler, Geoff, IdrA) then it would be pretty damn easy to follow it.
Who knows more about the pro scene as a whole? The guy that practices 10 hours a day on one server or two and puts full focus on improving his own play and at the most analyzing his next opponent, or the guy that follows all kinds of players/tournaments and watches pro streams/vods/replays 10 hours a day?
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On April 11 2011 06:40 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:27 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:26 Lanker wrote:On April 11 2011 06:22 vrok wrote:On April 11 2011 06:20 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:16 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote:
Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow. Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are. I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Who's calling this an upset? I'm assuming at least 50 pages of people from all the argument I happened to walk into..? Also apparently the SotG crew? People who don't actually follow the SC2 pro scene very much are irrelevant. What the SotG crew says has little relevance. To anything. They don't know what they're talking about for most of the time. They're not hardcore pro scene followers. Look at the first 5 pages or so of this thread. End of discussion really. If you follow the pro scene you'd know about Kas. It's that simple. How do they not know what they're talking about? I'm pretty sure Idra, Tyler and Day9 know about 50x more than you about starcraft 2, seeing as it is their profession. playing a lot doesn't mean that they follow the pro scene. It seems to me like if someone were IN the pro-scene (Tyler, Geoff, IdrA) then it would be pretty damn easy to follow it.
They're mostly concerned with improving their own play. Kas's domination is mostly seen in the innumerable wins in small online EU tournaments, which aren't really on the radar of NA players (and vice versa with small online NA tournaments probably not on the radar for EU players). This is why they know plenty about players like Socke who show up to all the major LANs in EU and NA, and miss out on players like Kas.
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Im happy with the results.
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On April 11 2011 06:43 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:26 FinBenton wrote:On April 11 2011 05:58 Chill wrote:On April 11 2011 05:55 cheesemaster wrote:
Okay my question to people that dont think lag was a factor at all in any of the KR vs US/EU games is, why are all these Korean players underperfoming in every single game then, aside from MC so far every single game koreans have made silly mistakes that you would never see them make in a LAN setting or a GSL, like literally never. So what is your reasoning for them underperfoming? Regardless of weather they are used to the opposing players play style or not it shouldnt mean that they get supply blocked mis micro etc etc so often when we see them play at such a high caliber at Lan settings like the gsl. How did MC micro his Zealot perfectly in game 1 vs Ciara? How did Nada micro his Banshee perfectly against TLO? . Its not like huge LAG is there in every game. User was warned for this post Ok so if Koreans win, it was fine. If they lose, it was lag. Got it.
This is a fair point -- while many Koreans have complained about the lag (q.v. Boxer's girlfriend saying the delay was >1000 msec), nobody's really talked about how fantastically well Boxer had to have played in his series to win *despite* the reported lag. I mean, he chose great engagements, landed good EMP's, and (except for not making a thor vs. phoenix mob, perhaps) chose excellent compositions.
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On April 11 2011 06:42 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:40 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 11 2011 06:27 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:26 Lanker wrote:On April 11 2011 06:22 vrok wrote:On April 11 2011 06:20 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:16 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote:
Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow. Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are. I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Who's calling this an upset? I'm assuming at least 50 pages of people from all the argument I happened to walk into..? Also apparently the SotG crew? People who don't actually follow the SC2 pro scene very much are irrelevant. What the SotG crew says has little relevance. To anything. They don't know what they're talking about for most of the time. They're not hardcore pro scene followers. Look at the first 5 pages or so of this thread. End of discussion really. If you follow the pro scene you'd know about Kas. It's that simple. How do they not know what they're talking about? I'm pretty sure Idra, Tyler and Day9 know about 50x more than you about starcraft 2, seeing as it is their profession. playing a lot doesn't mean that they follow the pro scene. It seems to me like if someone were IN the pro-scene (Tyler, Geoff, IdrA) then it would be pretty damn easy to follow it. You would be incorrect. With tournaments more or less going on 24/7 these days most do not follow the scene outside of GSL that deep. They have to do normal life stuff and practice A LOT which means there is not 20+ hours a day to watch the 400 tournaments going on ant any given time.
Maybe they do not follow the EU scene as closely as they could, but from watching SotG and reading posts they certainly have knowledge of the pro-scene, at least all of the large tournaments.
If people are saying that they don't follow every single tournament or something like that then yes, I agree with you, but it's difficult for anyone to keep up with all of the stuff going on with multiple tournaments going on every day.
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Funny how apparently koreans cant miss a forcefield, cant be playing worse than anyone from a different country ever, never miss EMPs, never scout in a dumb way or misrally their units. Are you guys watching some magical GSL that I'm not seeing? Cruncher beat Idra, was that due to lag as well? Did jinro lose to lag? What about Huk? Seriously folks.
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Please don't get me wrong, I love Nada and I would like to see him perform better in sc2, but today's results were definitely not surprising. Kas is a BEAST. His performance in the TSL is just further evidence.
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Kas was really impressive, and well played for Adelscott as well.
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I didn't know much about this Kas guy before today. All I saw was him losing to Mana in the KA QQ thread then losing again after the HT nerf. I got the impression that he stims way too much from the replays.
But today his play was very very solid, and I'm glad to see that since it'll take a solid terran to beat oGsMC.
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