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awesome aweseome games today, made up for yesterdays... seriously though kas 3-0ing nada is so cool, grats to him^
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On April 11 2011 06:48 usethis2 wrote:
I didn't know much about this Kas guy before today. All I saw was him losing to Mana in the KA QQ thread then losing again after the HT nerf. I got the impression that he stims way too much from the replays.
But today his play was very very solid, and I'm glad to see that since it'll take a solid terran to beat oGsMC.
Me and my friends literally cringe because he stims sooooooooooooooooooooo much
watch his games vs haypro
he stims when he doesnt even need to
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I think one thing we've learned from TSL 3 is that people should pay more attention to the EU scene and especially their ex-WC 3 pros 
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On April 11 2011 06:45 nRoot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:40 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 11 2011 06:27 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:26 Lanker wrote:On April 11 2011 06:22 vrok wrote:On April 11 2011 06:20 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:16 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote:
Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow. Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are. I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Who's calling this an upset? I'm assuming at least 50 pages of people from all the argument I happened to walk into..? Also apparently the SotG crew? People who don't actually follow the SC2 pro scene very much are irrelevant. What the SotG crew says has little relevance. To anything. They don't know what they're talking about for most of the time. They're not hardcore pro scene followers. Look at the first 5 pages or so of this thread. End of discussion really. If you follow the pro scene you'd know about Kas. It's that simple. How do they not know what they're talking about? I'm pretty sure Idra, Tyler and Day9 know about 50x more than you about starcraft 2, seeing as it is their profession. playing a lot doesn't mean that they follow the pro scene. It seems to me like if someone were IN the pro-scene (Tyler, Geoff, IdrA) then it would be pretty damn easy to follow it. The NA scene maybe, they obviously don't follow the EU scene literally everybody here knows Kas
They just don't, completely agree. Found it particularly funny watching Destiny's stream while he was playing an online tournament. He played a BO3 against BRAT_OK and had no clue who he was. No clue what so ever..
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On April 11 2011 06:40 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:29 Tachion wrote:On April 11 2011 06:26 vdale wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote:
Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow. Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are. I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Naniwa said in an Interview 1 month ago, that Kas is the best player in Europe (at that time). Kas is winning online tournaments left and right: In the last 7 days it was the go4sc2 monthly final (his second in a row), the gcpl individual cup and maybe another -> 2 * 500$ pricemoney for go4sc2 and gcpl.Some reasons why he is unknown to many people: 1) he isn't a community person 2) he isn't an (North-)American 3) he has WC3 and not BW background 4) he doesn't play many offline-tournaments (lost to Morrow in Assembly, but TvZ is by far his weakest matchup and Morrow placed second) Those tournaments didn't get much attention/coverage. Kas has done nothing but play in minor tournaments, and has won absolutely NOTHING of significance up until this TSL match. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people not knowing who he is. The thing is... In those tournaments you see Socke, Dimaga, Demuslim (used to), Kas, Goody, Cloud, Morrow, Sjow....... Nearly all the EU greats play in them, some attend every single one, some only a few each month. Yes, they don't have much coverage... But they are THE thing to watch if you truly want to see whats up in the EU scene  .
It's a LOT different in NA for the smaller tournaments. Most pros don't play in them. It's full of unknowns and they don't get many viewers for only a $50 prize or whatever for first place.
I'll be keeping a closer eye on the EU cups from now on, but I'm going to be bold and say that most NA people didn't even know that scene existed in the EU. Not to that capacity with all the EU pros playing in these smaller tournaments.
There's occasionally some random stream up on the side bar, but there's no threads or discussion going on about these tournaments. Their content is ignored by most users unless they just randomly decide to check it out and they see some well known pros playing. If there's not, then they probably do what I do and just close it and forget about it.
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On April 11 2011 06:50 Azarkon wrote:I think one thing we've learned from TSL 3 is that people should pay more attention to the EU scene and especially their ex-WC 3 pros
True that.. or maybe people should just pay more attention ... period. Kas beat Naniwa and Adelscott to win the qualifiers.. that might have been the last time Naniwa lost to a terran in any relevant tournament... and I think Kas would still be a favorite against Naniwa if they play again.
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On April 11 2011 06:50 OnlineHero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:45 nRoot wrote:On April 11 2011 06:40 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 11 2011 06:27 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:26 Lanker wrote:On April 11 2011 06:22 vrok wrote:On April 11 2011 06:20 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:16 zeru wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:
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I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow.
Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are.
I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Who's calling this an upset? I'm assuming at least 50 pages of people from all the argument I happened to walk into..? Also apparently the SotG crew? People who don't actually follow the SC2 pro scene very much are irrelevant. What the SotG crew says has little relevance. To anything. They don't know what they're talking about for most of the time. They're not hardcore pro scene followers. Look at the first 5 pages or so of this thread. End of discussion really. If you follow the pro scene you'd know about Kas. It's that simple. How do they not know what they're talking about? I'm pretty sure Idra, Tyler and Day9 know about 50x more than you about starcraft 2, seeing as it is their profession. playing a lot doesn't mean that they follow the pro scene. It seems to me like if someone were IN the pro-scene (Tyler, Geoff, IdrA) then it would be pretty damn easy to follow it. The NA scene maybe, they obviously don't follow the EU scene literally everybody here knows Kas They just don't, completely agree. Found it particularly funny watching Destiny's stream while he was playing an online tournament. He played a BO3 against BRAT_OK and had no clue who he was. No clue what so ever..
Just had to respond to this. Watched that as well, was truly hilarious. "Alright I'm playing some Terran next, who is Brat...?" 
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On April 11 2011 06:33 Docmedical wrote:
Its hard to compare koreans to europeans because they never compete with each other. All you EU kids need to calm down and stop being so sensitive. Even an informed person who isn't blinded by nationalistic pride or fandom would see Nada as the Favorite because of his success at the hardest tournament in SC2 right now. You guys can bring up ladder stats for Kas and everything (which are impressive), but since we don't have stats from the same ladder for Nada, they are pretty irrelevant.
How does someone that doesn't know the skills of one of two players get to be called "informed"?
It seems to me that the people that knew BOTH players, by having watched the both of them a lot expected Kas to win.
Btw not saying that the statement is wrong but how do you logically in one sentence say that it's hard to compare kr to eu because they never compete with each other, before stating with ease that the GSL is the toughest tournament in SC2? Compared to lets say TSL.
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Srsly all this "upset" thing is starting to get into my nerves, so ur fav korean player loses in a
HUGE upset and everybody starts QQing about it, then go "zomg it was the lagz0rz, kr>eu+na"
thats the most ridiculous statement ever.
What ur nothing taking into account, besides Kas being a great player (prolly top 3 terran in EU)
, what if he practiced his ass off to beat Nada? wouldnt that give Kas more effort points?
ALSO srsly the lag excuse is ridicullous , IF MC DID IT THEN THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR OTHER KOREANS TO BLAME LAG AS AN ISSUE!
srry for the caps but i want to make it clear :D
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On April 11 2011 06:12 entropius wrote:The matches are over. Adelscott vs. qxc went the distance, and I didn't get to see most of Nada vs. Kas but from what I see Kas roflstomped him, and people are saying that both Kas played fantastically and that Nada made some uncharacteristic mistakes.
Dang, did I miss the White-ra vs oGsMC game? *crosses fingers*
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On April 11 2011 06:50 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:40 Velr wrote:On April 11 2011 06:29 Tachion wrote:On April 11 2011 06:26 vdale wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote:
Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow. Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are. I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Naniwa said in an Interview 1 month ago, that Kas is the best player in Europe (at that time). Kas is winning online tournaments left and right: In the last 7 days it was the go4sc2 monthly final (his second in a row), the gcpl individual cup and maybe another -> 2 * 500$ pricemoney for go4sc2 and gcpl.Some reasons why he is unknown to many people: 1) he isn't a community person 2) he isn't an (North-)American 3) he has WC3 and not BW background 4) he doesn't play many offline-tournaments (lost to Morrow in Assembly, but TvZ is by far his weakest matchup and Morrow placed second) Those tournaments didn't get much attention/coverage. Kas has done nothing but play in minor tournaments, and has won absolutely NOTHING of significance up until this TSL match. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people not knowing who he is. The thing is... In those tournaments you see Socke, Dimaga, Demuslim (used to), Kas, Goody, Cloud, Morrow, Sjow....... Nearly all the EU greats play in them, some attend every single one, some only a few each month. Yes, they don't have much coverage... But they are THE thing to watch if you truly want to see whats up in the EU scene . It's a LOT different in NA for the smaller tournaments. Most pros don't play in them. It's full of unknowns and they don't get many viewers for only a $50 prize or whatever for first place. I'll be keeping a closer eye on the EU cups from now on, but I'm going to be bold and say that most NA people didn't even know that scene existed in the EU. Not to that capacity with all the EU pros playing in these smaller tournaments. There's occasionally some random stream up on the side bar, but there's no threads or discussion going on about these tournaments. Their content is ignored by most users unless they just randomly decide to check it out and they see some well known pros playing. If there's not, then they probably do what I do and just close it and forget about it.
These "random" tournaments usually have 5-6k or even more people watching them if u add all the streams toghter. Its true there is close to none discusion regarding those on forum, but its in no way equivalent to them getting no attention. Its quite the oposite realy.
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On April 11 2011 06:43 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:26 FinBenton wrote:On April 11 2011 05:58 Chill wrote:On April 11 2011 05:55 cheesemaster wrote:
Okay my question to people that dont think lag was a factor at all in any of the KR vs US/EU games is, why are all these Korean players underperfoming in every single game then, aside from MC so far every single game koreans have made silly mistakes that you would never see them make in a LAN setting or a GSL, like literally never. So what is your reasoning for them underperfoming? Regardless of weather they are used to the opposing players play style or not it shouldnt mean that they get supply blocked mis micro etc etc so often when we see them play at such a high caliber at Lan settings like the gsl. How did MC micro his Zealot perfectly in game 1 vs Ciara? How did Nada micro his Banshee perfectly against TLO? . Its not like huge LAG is there in every game. User was warned for this post Ok so if Koreans win, it was fine. If they lose, it was lag. Got it.
I dont think thats what he meant , I really dont care who won all in all the european players have played better than the koreans they beat, but when you mention single moments where micro was well done and you treat lag like its a stable entity IE, "Players micro;d well at specific moments during these games" instead of the unstable entity that like most people do then you come to conclusions like this. Obviously lag is not stable, and not all ISP's are created equal someone could have good latency one minute and poor latency the next thats just how it works especially when you are playing so far away from the server you are playing on. I dont think its fair fromm either side of the argument to say that either because lag was present here all koreans were gimped or because it wasnt present here its totally fine. Obviously there is latency issues and the Koreans have been making uncharacteristic mistakes that generally you wouldnt seem them make (at least not as many ) in a LAN setting , getting used to it or not if you have been playing under a certain latency for your whole life and suddenly there is a half second difference in between what you input and when it happens during certain points of the game obviously its going to affect how you play regardless of how used to it you get. Koreans agreed to play under these conditions and they lost under these conditions as well but I just dont think it reflects their skill very well, thats just my opinion.
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The NA scene maybe, they obviously don't follow the EU scene
literally everybody here knows Kas
Unless it's completely true, I don't see the point in making generalizations.
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On April 11 2011 06:54 Balthazar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:12 entropius wrote:On April 11 2011 06:09 Balthazar wrote:
Just got here, why is stream down? The matches are over. Adelscott vs. qxc went the distance, and I didn't get to see most of Nada vs. Kas but from what I see Kas roflstomped him, and people are saying that both Kas played fantastically and that Nada made some uncharacteristic mistakes. Dang, did I miss the White-ra vs oGsMC game? *crosses fingers*
That was yesterday.
VODs are on youtube though.
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On April 11 2011 06:56 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +The NA scene maybe, they obviously don't follow the EU scene
literally everybody here knows Kas Unless it's completely true, I don't see the point in making generalizations.
I'm pretty sure its completely true. Not knowing who Kas is if you're from EU server and follow their scene at all is like living in Seoul, following GSL, and not knowing MKP or MVP.
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KR > EU > NA
NA's last hope lies in.... Cruncher!!
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Really happy for KAS.. Amazing !
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On April 11 2011 06:40 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:29 Tachion wrote:On April 11 2011 06:26 vdale wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote:
Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow. Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are. I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Naniwa said in an Interview 1 month ago, that Kas is the best player in Europe (at that time). Kas is winning online tournaments left and right: In the last 7 days it was the go4sc2 monthly final (his second in a row), the gcpl individual cup and maybe another -> 2 * 500$ pricemoney for go4sc2 and gcpl.Some reasons why he is unknown to many people: 1) he isn't a community person 2) he isn't an (North-)American 3) he has WC3 and not BW background 4) he doesn't play many offline-tournaments (lost to Morrow in Assembly, but TvZ is by far his weakest matchup and Morrow placed second) Those tournaments didn't get much attention/coverage. Kas has done nothing but play in minor tournaments, and has won absolutely NOTHING of significance up until this TSL match. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people not knowing who he is. The thing is... In those tournaments you see Socke, Dimaga, Demuslim (used to), Kas, Goody, Cloud, Morrow, Sjow....... Nearly all the EU greats play in them, some attend every single one, some only a few each month. Yes, they don't have much coverage... But they are THE thing to watch if you truly want to see whats up in the EU scene .
Quoted for truth. Some of those 500 people tournaments are more stacked with top players than some of the invitational tournaments out there. They are the best way for EU pros to measure theirs progress or builds (some are totally crazy and never used in matches vs other top players but those tournaments allow to use them - against a non top player).
And of course lets be fair. Most of EU people dont follow the NA scene cause of the time difference. So we might not know about some NA players (and lets be frank... they have way less tournaments that arent invitationals and we know top pros dont play in them...). EU Go4sc2 is near its 100th tournament already. Show us a weekly tournament in NA that run so long.
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On April 11 2011 06:59 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:56 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:The NA scene maybe, they obviously don't follow the EU scene
literally everybody here knows Kas Unless it's completely true, I don't see the point in making generalizations. I'm pretty sure its completely true. Not knowing who Kas is if you're from EU server and follow their scene at all is like living in Seoul, following GSL, and not knowing MKP or MVP.
QFT. I was very surprised by the responses in this where they didn't know who kas was and even more surprised by chill and husky while they were casting because they were calling TSL his breakout tournament or something of the sort when he's already well established as one of the best terrans in EU and respectively the foreigner scene. The guy's a beast and plays a really solid style.
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On April 11 2011 06:55 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:50 Tachion wrote:On April 11 2011 06:40 Velr wrote:On April 11 2011 06:29 Tachion wrote:On April 11 2011 06:26 vdale wrote:On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:On April 11 2011 05:54 CanucksJC wrote:
Also, if Kas was THAT good, there is no reason why we shouldn't know about it. There is a REASON why some are more famous and some are more underground. If the guy was good, you'd see people praising this guy and we wouldn't call this an 'upset'. But the fact is, people don't really know him, period. You can't get around that IMO and I think people are being a little too defensive of Kas. :s I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow. Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are. I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK). And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_- Naniwa said in an Interview 1 month ago, that Kas is the best player in Europe (at that time). Kas is winning online tournaments left and right: In the last 7 days it was the go4sc2 monthly final (his second in a row), the gcpl individual cup and maybe another -> 2 * 500$ pricemoney for go4sc2 and gcpl.Some reasons why he is unknown to many people: 1) he isn't a community person 2) he isn't an (North-)American 3) he has WC3 and not BW background 4) he doesn't play many offline-tournaments (lost to Morrow in Assembly, but TvZ is by far his weakest matchup and Morrow placed second) Those tournaments didn't get much attention/coverage. Kas has done nothing but play in minor tournaments, and has won absolutely NOTHING of significance up until this TSL match. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people not knowing who he is. The thing is... In those tournaments you see Socke, Dimaga, Demuslim (used to), Kas, Goody, Cloud, Morrow, Sjow....... Nearly all the EU greats play in them, some attend every single one, some only a few each month. Yes, they don't have much coverage... But they are THE thing to watch if you truly want to see whats up in the EU scene . It's a LOT different in NA for the smaller tournaments. Most pros don't play in them. It's full of unknowns and they don't get many viewers for only a $50 prize or whatever for first place. I'll be keeping a closer eye on the EU cups from now on, but I'm going to be bold and say that most NA people didn't even know that scene existed in the EU. Not to that capacity with all the EU pros playing in these smaller tournaments. There's occasionally some random stream up on the side bar, but there's no threads or discussion going on about these tournaments. Their content is ignored by most users unless they just randomly decide to check it out and they see some well known pros playing. If there's not, then they probably do what I do and just close it and forget about it. These "random" tournaments usually have 5-6k or even more people watching them if u add all the streams toghter. Its true there is close to none discusion regarding those on forum, but its in no way equivalent to them getting no attention. Its quite the oposite realy.
Yeah but it's only Europeans watching. I follow those cups quite regularly and even when i see one of the best finals ever, there are only like 6 or 7 posts on teamliquid about it and all of them from europeans.
Those weekly cups and leagues are a pretty big thing in europe. Their prize money is quite good and it is a nice way to play against other good players. There are some players who prefer to get some more focused training and dont participate that often but there are a bunch of good players in nearly every cup. And if Kas enters he is most likely to win, no matter who else is in the tournament. I think he has won ~1400€ in 5 weeks just by playing those onlinecups.
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