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On April 05 2011 23:08 Sami` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 23:01 yandere991 wrote:
What I'm saying is that your previous post on the attack speed doesn't mean much considering your marines would always be attacking the slowed down concuss'd zealots and the requirement to stutter step kite is not necessary. It's like saying protoss have to manually charge into surround followed by a timed h key to succeed. When was the last time you seen pure zealots against marine/marauder? the stalkers/colossus in the back is the reason you have to stutter step as fast as attack speed will allow. Seriously this is bronze level stuff, why are you even trying to discuss it when you have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes and also with the stalkers and colossi are sentries (unless your opponent is in bronze) so the requirement to stutter step is also nullified by the fact that your can't stutter step.
What I'm ultimately trying to say is that you point out scenarios where the potential of micro is high but in reality it doesn't happen. It's just like saying protoss is the highest micro race because while the battle is going on I can be dropping immortals from warp prisms and picking them up before return fire or doing the same thing with HTs and warp prisms.
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On April 05 2011 23:06 ChaseR wrote:
Ugh can't believe I chose sleep instead of watching the best players in the GSL duke it out in awesome TvP x_x
don't worry bro. there are hd vods for free!
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That was an amazing comeback from MKP, hope he can take it all the way now!
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On April 05 2011 23:13 bearhug wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 23:06 ChaseR wrote:
Ugh can't believe I chose sleep instead of watching the best players in the GSL duke it out in awesome TvP x_x don't worry bro. there are hd vods for free! Hey your right o_O thanks! I can click on set 2 now, when did this happen that you don't have to purchase a season ticket :o?
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On April 05 2011 23:06 ChaseR wrote:
Ugh can't believe I choose sleep instead of watching the best players in the GSL duke it out in awesome TvP x_x
You can still catch the vods. They're free this time around!
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On April 05 2011 23:12 yandere991 wrote:
Yes and also with the stalkers and colossi are sentries (unless your opponent is in bronze) so the requirement to stutter step is also nullified by the fact that your can't stutter step.
What I'm ultimately trying to say is that you point out scenarios where the potential of micro is high but in reality it doesn't happen. It's just like saying protoss is the highest micro race because while the battle is going on I can be dropping immortals from warp prisms and picking them up before return fire or doing the same thing with HTs and warp prisms.
Are you really trying to say that you've never seen a TvP where marine/marauder are stutter stepping away from zealot/stalker?
Watch more games, it happens in almost every TvP.
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On April 05 2011 22:16 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 22:11 usethis2 wrote:Just woke up and saw the results. Rooted for San but he lost.. well too bad I guess. But on the other hand it's extremely satisfying to learn the annoying/nasty kid (obvious one) have lost. Time to go watch the VODs, I guess.  Really annoying to see people talk about MC like that out of pure ignorance. Talk about a misjudgment of someone's character.
from the TSL3 interview:
Q: Your opponent is ieS-Ciara, a Zerg from Denmark. Do you know anything about him?
MC: All I know is that he’s not that great a player.
Q: How do you feel the Koreans will do against the best international players?
MC: I think the Korean players will win every match.
and I remember something he said after he won the last GSL when he was like he doesn't want to play in the Korean Team, as the Foreign Team will be so weak, that Korea doesn't need him.
I dont mind if he says he is the best and he will win against someone, but the way he speaks of other pros, especially the nonkorean ones just shows that he is an arrogant, ignorant person.
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On April 05 2011 23:18 ChaseR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 23:13 bearhug wrote:On April 05 2011 23:06 ChaseR wrote:
Ugh can't believe I chose sleep instead of watching the best players in the GSL duke it out in awesome TvP x_x don't worry bro. there are hd vods for free! Hey your right o_O thanks! I can click on set 2 now, when did this happen that you don't have to purchase a season ticket :o?
Just this season since they are doing it for:
1) promotion
2) all money paid will be donated to Japan for this tournament.
You'll have to pay for the next season.
Edit: Oh yeah, I liquibeted MKP. I feel great. Now top 50.
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On April 05 2011 23:18 ChaseR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 23:13 bearhug wrote:On April 05 2011 23:06 ChaseR wrote:
Ugh can't believe I chose sleep instead of watching the best players in the GSL duke it out in awesome TvP x_x don't worry bro. there are hd vods for free! Hey your right o_O thanks! I can click on set 2 now, when did this happen that you don't have to purchase a season ticket :o?
It is because of the disaster in Japan, offering viewers free VOD's to encourage people to donate money to Japan instead of paying for their VOD service.
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On April 05 2011 23:12 yandere991 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 23:08 Sami` wrote:On April 05 2011 23:01 yandere991 wrote:
What I'm saying is that your previous post on the attack speed doesn't mean much considering your marines would always be attacking the slowed down concuss'd zealots and the requirement to stutter step kite is not necessary. It's like saying protoss have to manually charge into surround followed by a timed h key to succeed. When was the last time you seen pure zealots against marine/marauder? the stalkers/colossus in the back is the reason you have to stutter step as fast as attack speed will allow. Seriously this is bronze level stuff, why are you even trying to discuss it when you have no idea what you are talking about. Yes and also with the stalkers and colossi are sentries (unless your opponent is in bronze) so the requirement to stutter step is also nullified by the fact that your can't stutter step. What I'm ultimately trying to say is that you point out scenarios where the potential of micro is high but in reality it doesn't happen. It's just like saying protoss is the highest micro race because while the battle is going on I can be dropping immortals from warp prisms and picking them up before return fire or doing the same thing with HTs and warp prisms.
Point our scenarios? Seriously your stretching it! Gateway vs MM clashes early game always end up with T having to stutter step! Super early game, P have to micro their stalkers vs marines maybe but for most of the game, Terran has more micro to do.
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nigga. cameraman pointed me to that spot kae.
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On April 05 2011 23:21 OopsOopsBaby wrote:nigga. cameraman pointed me to that spot kae.
Woah, choose your words carefully..
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On April 05 2011 23:20 frucisky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 23:12 yandere991 wrote:On April 05 2011 23:08 Sami` wrote:On April 05 2011 23:01 yandere991 wrote:
What I'm saying is that your previous post on the attack speed doesn't mean much considering your marines would always be attacking the slowed down concuss'd zealots and the requirement to stutter step kite is not necessary. It's like saying protoss have to manually charge into surround followed by a timed h key to succeed. When was the last time you seen pure zealots against marine/marauder? the stalkers/colossus in the back is the reason you have to stutter step as fast as attack speed will allow. Seriously this is bronze level stuff, why are you even trying to discuss it when you have no idea what you are talking about. Yes and also with the stalkers and colossi are sentries (unless your opponent is in bronze) so the requirement to stutter step is also nullified by the fact that your can't stutter step. What I'm ultimately trying to say is that you point out scenarios where the potential of micro is high but in reality it doesn't happen. It's just like saying protoss is the highest micro race because while the battle is going on I can be dropping immortals from warp prisms and picking them up before return fire or doing the same thing with HTs and warp prisms. Point our scenarios? Seriously your stretching it! Gateway vs MM clashes early game always end up with T having to stutter step! Super early game, P have to micro their stalkers vs marines maybe but for most of the game, Terran has more micro to do.
Read again, I said kiting happens with gateway and MM then Sami then decided to put colossi into the argument so I decided to put in sentries. And when I said MM vs Gateway I stressed that you don't need to stutter step like MK to avoid concuss'd zealots to win just like how protoss don't need to stalkerfield a zerg to win. What the exaggeration some forum users put on the difficulty to kite a gateway force in early game with MM is amazing.
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On April 05 2011 23:22 WArped wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 23:21 OopsOopsBaby wrote:nigga. cameraman pointed me to that spot kae. Woah, choose your words carefully..
choose your face carefully
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I don't understand why MC pushed out at the end, he didn't have enough stalkers to shoot down vikings and properly protect his 4 colossus.
He definitely should have went for 3 base, tried to drag it out more and more then go for a finale.
Overall very surprised he tried to end it with just that force, especially after being a bit behind.
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On April 05 2011 23:24 yandere991 wrote:
Read again, I said kiting happens with gateway and MM then Sami then decided to put colossi into the argument so I decided to put in sentries. And when I said MM vs Gateway I stressed that you don't need to stutter step like MK to avoid concuss'd zealots to win just like how protoss don't need to stalkerfield a zerg to win. What the exaggeration some forum users put on the difficulty to kite a gateway force in early game with MM is amazing.
So you are trying to create scenarios that MM doesn't stutter step and use that as your justification for why P micro isn't easier than T bio micro?
Problem is that anyone who actually plays/watches the game knows that MM stutter step in nearly every game.
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On April 05 2011 21:49 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 21:43 HolyArrow wrote:On April 05 2011 21:43 urban wrote:
Today 2 Terans Win against 2 Protoss.
Where have they gone who are always crying baby saying SC2 unbalanced especially said Protoss too strong! The great thing is that we have hardly anyone here complaining about Terran at all. Protoss, truly a race of men ;D Uhhh, there was ONE standard game today, and MVP lost that. Everything else was a cheese by either the Terran or Protoss or some sort of all in timing push. This was hardly an indication of the state of the matchup.
It think cheese is quite relevant to the state of matchups.
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On April 05 2011 23:30 nihlon wrote:
It think cheese is quite relevant to the state of matchups.
It shouldn't be though which is what I think he is trying to say - who really wants the game balanced based on timing attacks and cheese?
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On April 05 2011 23:30 Sami` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 23:24 yandere991 wrote:
Read again, I said kiting happens with gateway and MM then Sami then decided to put colossi into the argument so I decided to put in sentries. And when I said MM vs Gateway I stressed that you don't need to stutter step like MK to avoid concuss'd zealots to win just like how protoss don't need to stalkerfield a zerg to win. What the exaggeration some forum users put on the difficulty to kite a gateway force in early game with MM is amazing.
So you are trying to create scenarios that MM doesn't stutter step and use that as your justification for why P micro isn't easier than T bio micro? Problem is that anyone who actually plays/watches the game knows that MM stutter step in nearly every game.
What I've been trying to do was to challenge your dogmatic view on which micro is easier. You say that stutter step as the benchmark for the difficulty of terran micro while in reality many people with non marineking like micro in the GSL have vaporized protoss gateway armies. What I have been saying with my references to stalkerfielding and manual - charge - surround - hold is that your don't need that level of skill to win against most people.
It's like saying all protoss needs MC like forcefields to stand a chance against terran and because of that we have the most difficult micro.
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