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WindCalibur
Canada938 Posts
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kiniko
Canada163 Posts
On April 07 2011 08:30 Zeroxk wrote: How can you say it's already been "solved"? MC didn't do the sentry bust against MKP, san has never done the sentry bust and we have yet to see anyone sucessfuly hold the MC style sentry bust. MVP and MKP's fast rush to tanks say it all. They know it's coming, and they are making sure the tank comes out so they aren't losing to it. MC and san knew that the terrans are already starting to do fast tanks (ie. MVP vs. Huk) so there really is no point doing that push anymore. Remember TT1 vs MKP. Tank was out and seige mode was almost done and that was against a 4 gate. If it was a delayed 2 base 5-gate, all those sentries would have been evaporated. That build only punishes a bio heavy terran, but terran are starting to mix in mech already. | ||
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
On April 07 2011 09:45 Fighter wrote: I don't normally root for MC, but it's a little disappointing that we won't be getting the MVP vs MC super final. mkp vs mc semi-final = mvp vs mc final | ||
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AgentSmith
Canada91 Posts
To bad mkp destroyed mc once he decided to play legit | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On April 07 2011 10:48 kiniko wrote: MVP and MKP's fast rush to tanks say it all. They know it's coming, and they are making sure the tank comes out so they aren't losing to it. MC and san knew that the terrans are already starting to do fast tanks (ie. MVP vs. Huk) so there really is no point doing that push anymore. Remember TT1 vs MKP. Tank was out and seige mode was almost done and that was against a 4 gate. If it was a delayed 2 base 5-gate, all those sentries would have been evaporated. That build only punishes a bio heavy terran, but terran are starting to mix in mech already. And judging from MKP vs MC, terran still only wins when protoss fails a rush or goes for a semi-all in 1 base push even without worrying about the 2 base sentries. | ||
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kiniko
Canada163 Posts
On April 07 2011 11:32 tripper688 wrote: And judging from MKP vs MC, terran still only wins when protoss fails a rush or goes for a semi-all in 1 base push even without worrying about the 2 base sentries. I like how I cite multiple games from different series to support my argument, you cite only 1 series. | ||
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`Forte
United States128 Posts
Stop using tournament matches to support your argument that a race is imbalanced. It's illogical. 1) It's a ridiculously small sample size. You can't possibly use 5 games played and say, "Terran only wins if Protoss fails hard," and ignore the hundreds of thousands of high level games that all show various results. 2) SC2 is an RTS game. It's not a fighting game where there's a limited number of options per scenario and in many there's a clear best action--every second and every action counts for something. Two players can do the exact same builds with the exact same armies, and different outcomes will happen each game. Just micro produces different outcomes. Scouting and changing army composition slightly produces a different outcome. Attacking 20 seconds earlier or later, or attacking at a slightly different angle, or pulling back at just the right time, all can produce different outcomes. To say that, "oh look at this push, it's OP," is just ridiculous without intensive analysis/practice against it. 3) You're assuming anyones at the skill level where the race they pick, and not the decisions they make, dictate whether they win or lose. If you can show me any game where a player lost even though they did everything "right" and there are no clear reasons why they lost or how they could have won, then I'll change my mind. The balance "discussions" are annoying. They just seem like whining thinly veiled by bad logic that points to a few games as examples. MKP's comeback was pretty awesome, but it's frustrating when people take that away from him by saying, "derp, well MC should have won cause he's Protoss, only lost cause he messed up hard!" | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
It's too bad for San  . If he just played like regular (what the knew best) in those 2 games he rushed, he may have been able to beat MVP.Is San still going to leave the GSL for the military or can he delay it and stay in the GSL a bit longer? | ||
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IVN
534 Posts
On April 07 2011 13:46 Goldfish wrote: MPK won after not doing any all-ins or cheeses. Same thing with San (minus the last game i nwhich he was winning at least). It's too bad for San . If he just played like regular (what the knew best) in those 2 games he rushed, he may have been able to beat MVP.Is San still going to leave the GSL for the military or can he delay it and stay in the GSL a bit longer? One cant evade military service. ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/uncle-sammufg.jpg) | ||
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
the threads like this one are completely useless for this since even after the bans they are still full of ppl discussing balance issues, pre-emptively calling GG, and just generally being fucking idiots | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45937 Posts
On April 07 2011 11:25 AgentSmith wrote: To bad mkp destroyed mc once he decided to play legit Legit? o.O Please. You mean to say that it's too bad that MKP beat MC once the latter started using questionable styles that he's not known for winning nearly 100% of his matches with? Any style is "legit"; 4gating is just as legal a move as 3gate expand or 2gate robo. MC's strategies in the games he lost didn't make much sense though. | ||
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weiliem
2072 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
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Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
The first game was amazing... im a noob so i havent seen this build ever but vs. Nexus First the damage could have been even worst :/ Is there any chart that shows the income compared to a usual opening from T? What a comeback u just won a fan MKP  | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On April 07 2011 19:42 summerloud wrote: can anyone recommend a link where the GSL games are summarized? id really like to read a live report or summary of the games since im currently in a country where the internet isnt fast enough to allow gsl streaming the threads like this one are completely useless for this since even after the bans they are still full of ppl discussing balance issues, pre-emptively calling GG, and just generally being fucking idiots Link in the OP. And no one is discussing balance issue. Only people are thinking people talks about balance issue so they whine about that. But no one talked about balance here >< | ||
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haruk
216 Posts
He said last night that he was only joking about having to go soon. | ||
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