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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 05 2011 13:16 GMT
#3041
On April 05 2011 22:11 usethis2 wrote:
Just woke up and saw the results. Rooted for San but he lost.. well too bad I guess. But on the other hand it's extremely satisfying to learn the annoying/nasty kid (obvious one) have lost. Time to go watch the VODs, I guess.


Really annoying to see people talk about MC like that out of pure ignorance. Talk about a misjudgment of someone's character.
Klamity
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States994 Posts
April 05 2011 13:16 GMT
#3042
MKP came back to take it down 2-0? Very impressive...

MVP vs MKP finals again... poor MKP
Don't believe in yourself, believe in me, who believes in you.
ageai
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany81 Posts
April 05 2011 13:17 GMT
#3043
On April 05 2011 22:15 kusto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 21:58 HolyArrow wrote:
What people don't realize about MC is that he isn't cocky just because he wants to be an asshole, he's cocky to help himself deal with his own nerve issues. People also don't realize that MC is a great friend and a very nice guy (just ask Jinro). People also don't realize that MC's micro is ridiculously difficult to emulate, and to simplify it as just "using forcefields" is the same as simplifying MKP's micro as "just kiting". People also don't realize that MC actually plays a very strong macro game but probably got stuck into this odd "I want to kill MKP early because that's always been working for me with other opponents in the past" mindset, which is admittedly a huge flaw in judgment on MC's part.

Basically, if you know all these things about MC, it doesn't make much sense to dislike him, which brings me to the conclusion that everyone who dislikes MC just doesn't know enough about him and harbors one of the misconceptions I stated above.


bolded part is very funny. I did know that about him, and i still dislike him. If the only possibility to deal with his nerve problems results in being an arrogant, unbearable......person with robot-interviews, then i hate him even more.
Also it is funny that you assume to know him well and yet "quote" other peoples statements.


Show nested quote +
Yes, I am a huge MC fanboy but my reasons are completely valid.


I dislike him and my reasons are completely valid.

i dislike you too and my reasons are more valid than yours

User was temp banned for this post.
I watch e-sports to see the best pro`s in a game do things that "common" pro`s could never do, and almost humiliate them. That skill-range just isn`t present in SC2. Again, I fully agree with having SC2 as a game.
dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
April 05 2011 13:18 GMT
#3044
On April 05 2011 22:16 Klamity wrote:
MKP came back to take it down 2-0? Very impressive...

MVP vs MKP finals again... poor MKP


He just won 3 matches in a row vs the best player in the world despite TvP being his worst matchup.

I think he'll do just fine if he doesn't choke.
urban
Profile Joined January 2008
Korea (South)38 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 13:19:28
April 05 2011 13:19 GMT
#3045
[image loading]
EMP means EMPeror?
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
April 05 2011 13:19 GMT
#3046
On April 05 2011 22:16 Klamity wrote:
MKP came back to take it down 2-0? Very impressive...

MVP vs MKP finals again... poor MKP

Someone has to tell MKP to play his usual style and not to try to some ultra strange build that doesnt suit him like in that GSL final.
Wnaton
Profile Joined April 2011
United Arab Emirates4 Posts
April 05 2011 13:20 GMT
#3047
Reasons for liking/hating someone are never completely valid...

And sigh, yet another TvT final? I was hoping for atleast a TvP this time...
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 05 2011 13:21 GMT
#3048
On April 05 2011 22:15 kusto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 21:58 HolyArrow wrote:
What people don't realize about MC is that he isn't cocky just because he wants to be an asshole, he's cocky to help himself deal with his own nerve issues. People also don't realize that MC is a great friend and a very nice guy (just ask Jinro). People also don't realize that MC's micro is ridiculously difficult to emulate, and to simplify it as just "using forcefields" is the same as simplifying MKP's micro as "just kiting". People also don't realize that MC actually plays a very strong macro game but probably got stuck into this odd "I want to kill MKP early because that's always been working for me with other opponents in the past" mindset, which is admittedly a huge flaw in judgment on MC's part.

Basically, if you know all these things about MC, it doesn't make much sense to dislike him, which brings me to the conclusion that everyone who dislikes MC just doesn't know enough about him and harbors one of the misconceptions I stated above.


bolded part is very funny. I did know that about him, and i still dislike him. If the only possibility to deal with his nerve problems results in being an arrogant, unbearable......person with robot-interviews, then i hate him even more.
Also it is funny that you assume to know him well and yet "quote" other peoples statements.


Show nested quote +
Yes, I am a huge MC fanboy but my reasons are completely valid.


I dislike him and my reasons are completely valid.


Interesting. I thought people whined about Korean interviews being "robotic" when the player was too polite and showed no personality. MC gives cocky interviews and shows tons of personality, and still gets called "robotic" by you.

It's understandable that people dislike MC for acting cocky, but it merely comes down to a person's specific criteria by which he/she judges someone else: do we judge by the person's surface actions, or judge by the person's deeper motivations and reasons behind those actions? Seems like you're simply the former.
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 13:22:56
April 05 2011 13:22 GMT
#3049
On April 05 2011 22:20 Wnaton wrote:
Reasons for liking/hating someone are never completely valid...

And sigh, yet another TvT final? I was hoping for atleast a TvP this time...


Ts had to make up their quota of GSL Final appearance due to the fact that they weren't even in last month's Ro4 .
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 05 2011 13:23 GMT
#3050
On April 05 2011 22:20 Wnaton wrote:
Reasons for liking/hating someone are never completely valid...

And sigh, yet another TvT final? I was hoping for atleast a TvP this time...


Well, it depends on how you define "valid". What I meant by it was that my reasons for liking MC are all supported with evidence about his actual character, rather than just saying "Oh, I like MC because he's MC!" or something fluffy and meaningless like that.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
April 05 2011 13:24 GMT
#3051
To the people who are saying that Protoss players don't complain when both Terrans beat the Toss, nobody usually complains when the underdog wins. Nobody complained when Terran was, in fact, OP and Fruit won or when MC won (the 1st time). If Terran starts to dominate in the next GSL, we WILL get lame OP posts from BOTH other races about stim and marauders, it's the cycle of SC2 as of right now, so please get off your high horse. Aside from that, nice comeback by MKP today.
the farm ends here
Sami`
Profile Joined March 2011
89 Posts
April 05 2011 13:25 GMT
#3052
I wouldn't even say MC was very cocky, maybe for a Korean but by western standards I think he is a justifiably confident player - he has won 2 GSLs after all.

He has a great personality for a competitor imo.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 05 2011 13:26 GMT
#3053
On April 05 2011 22:24 PartyBiscuit wrote:
To the people who are saying that Protoss players don't complain when both Terrans beat the Toss, nobody usually complains when the underdog wins. Nobody complained when Terran was, in fact, OP and Fruit won or when MC won (the 1st time). If Terran starts to dominate in the next GSL, we WILL get lame OP posts from BOTH other races about stim and marauders, it's the cycle of SC2 as of right now, so please get off your high horse. Aside from that, nice comeback by MKP today.


No, I completely agree with you, and I thought I made it clear that I was joking when I made those "Protoss players don't complain" statements, from all the ;D faces and an explicit admission of me not being very serious.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 13:27:28
April 05 2011 13:26 GMT
#3054
On April 05 2011 22:18 dunc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 22:16 Klamity wrote:
MKP came back to take it down 2-0? Very impressive...

MVP vs MKP finals again... poor MKP


He just won 3 matches in a row vs the best player in the world despite TvP being his worst matchup.

I think he'll do just fine if he doesn't choke.

This. And I think he'll be in a very "free" mindset, as he is here nearly by accident after thinking he was out for sure (I don't manage to explain this properly in english )
So he'll be able to play relaxed, with big stage experience and nothing to lose, against an MVP that lost his first TvTs recently. I don't think we'll see a 4-0 this time.
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 13:27:07
April 05 2011 13:26 GMT
#3055
Lol from MC's twitter before the match:
tommorow WCS semifinal MC vs MarineKIng Korean time 6:10 Start! maybe 3:0 MC win


So close. But had to change the 0 into a 2 and change MC into MKP.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
Zealot Lord
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 13:33:02
April 05 2011 13:29 GMT
#3056
On April 05 2011 22:13 Sami` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 22:03 Zealot Lord wrote:
On April 05 2011 21:59 Sami` wrote:
Oh, come on, don't sell MC short like that by just saying that he plays a better race. You obviously haven't seen MC's micro in other series and are basing that entire opinion off this one series.


I'm not selling MC short, I said he has solid micro but lets face it P micro is a lot less demanding than T bio macro is and how am I basing it off of one series? all MC ever does is timing attacks.


So are you talking about micro or macro..? MC has to be considered one of the best micro in SC2 right now man - if you watch his PvP's, then you'll know its not just 'solid' but spectacular.


Micro, "bio macro" was a typo - i meant bio micro.

As I said P micro is a bit of a joke, I think people have accepted a really low standard when looking at it, for example MC was microing a single stalker against some marines and Artosis was impressed ..sigh.


Nope, if MC didn't have godly micro he wouldn't come out ahead in every single PvP 4gate battle even when there are exactly the same units out there on the battlefield.

Besides, be fair, its not like bio micro is much harder to control.. its just mainly scoot and shoot with the occasional target fire to snipe off a sentry/stalker.

Both MKP and MC have amazing micro.. don't know why people just have to discredit one and not give the deserving props to both players.. *shrugs*
kusto
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation823 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 13:31:46
April 05 2011 13:30 GMT
#3057


Interesting. I thought people whined about Korean interviews being "robotic" when the player was too polite and showed no personality. MC gives cocky interviews and shows tons of personality, and still gets called "robotic" by you.

It's understandable that people dislike MC for acting cocky, but it merely comes down to a person's specific criteria by which he/she judges someone else: do we judge by the person's surface actions, or judge by the person's deeper motivations and reasons behind those actions? Seems like you're simply the former.



The only thing revealing about his personality in his interviews is the one where he says that confidence/overconfidence are his strengths/weaknesses.
That's it. The rest is simple-syntaxed, one-dimensional self-praise (i do exaggerate, though).

It IS robotic, as you can not see any personality in his interviews. And no, i don't care if other korean progamers do it also. That's why i don't read most korean interviews.

As long as he's not able to overcome his nerve issues without being annoyingly arrogant, i will always root for his opponents. And anyway, it's not like his cockiness is entertaining or interesting to read, no, it's always the same stuff, such as "I am best protoss", etc.
the game is the game
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
April 05 2011 13:33 GMT
#3058
On April 05 2011 22:19 urban wrote:
[image loading]

damn i looked awkward as fk. the cameraman made me stand there. i think he mistook tasteless for dan.
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 05 2011 13:33 GMT
#3059
On April 05 2011 22:29 Zealot Lord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 22:13 Sami` wrote:
On April 05 2011 22:03 Zealot Lord wrote:
On April 05 2011 21:59 Sami` wrote:
Oh, come on, don't sell MC short like that by just saying that he plays a better race. You obviously haven't seen MC's micro in other series and are basing that entire opinion off this one series.


I'm not selling MC short, I said he has solid micro but lets face it P micro is a lot less demanding than T bio macro is and how am I basing it off of one series? all MC ever does is timing attacks.


So are you talking about micro or macro..? MC has to be considered one of the best micro in SC2 right now man - if you watch his PvP's, then you'll know its not just 'solid' but spectacular.


Micro, "bio macro" was a typo - i meant bio micro.

As I said P micro is a bit of a joke, I think people have accepted a really low standard when looking at it, for example MC was microing a single stalker against some marines and Artosis was impressed ..sigh.


Nope, if MC didn't have godly micro he wouldn't come out ahead in every single PvP 4gate battle even when there are exactly the same units out there on the battlefield.

Besides, be fair, its not like bio micro is that much harder to control.. its just mainly scoot and shoot with the occasional target fire to snipe off a sentry/stalker.

Both MKP and MC have amazing micro.. don't know why people just have to discredit one and not give the deserving props to both players.. *shrugs*


I don't know how you can try and say bio micro takes any more skill than gateway micro. Gateway micro involves kiting, unit positioning, and forcefields. Bio micro involves the first two. It's really apples and oranges considering how different the units actually are.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 05 2011 13:35 GMT
#3060
On April 05 2011 22:19 urban wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
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haha, it was you ? Nice, I envy you to be able to be there.
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