[GSL WC] Ro4 - Page 152

Oh, come on, don't sell MC short like that by just saying that he plays a better race. You obviously haven't seen MC's micro in other series and are basing that entire opinion off this one series.

On April 05 2011 21:56 dabom88 wrote:


Opening wasn't standard, but it definitely transitioned into a standard Macro game. Nearly any game that reaches 3 base vs. 4 base can be said to have transitioned into standard Macro play regardless of the opening.

On April 05 2011 22:00 Curu wrote:


The opening also put him behind in upgrades and forced him to go into HT tech when that gas could have been used for more stalkers/charge/blink/colossi.

On April 05 2011 21:26 jellyjello wrote:
MC is still a better player, but you can definitely tell that MC didn't practice much for this match. In every game he was reacting to what MKP did. Zealot + sentry combo was a terrible idea for MC, because MKP basically out-micro'd that very easily. If MC had prepared just a little, he would know that MKP's marine micro is one of the best.

On April 05 2011 21:59 Sami` wrote:


I'm not selling MC short, I said he has solid micro but lets face it P micro is a lot less demanding than T bio macro is and how am I basing it off of one series? all MC ever does is timing attacks.

On April 05 2011 21:57 MrCon wrote:
Anyway, recap of MKP vs MC :

G1, metalopolis : MKP instantly flies to the gold while MC 1gate expand. The probe is confused and check the mains twice before realising, but it's too late, MKP has already 3 rax pumping marines. MKP pushes while starting a CC in another main, but MC has a pylon here, positioned to warp near the gold base. MKP dual bunker the expo nexus and kills it, which was a crucial mistake as it allowed MC to pump a sizable force from his new 4 warpgates. The MKP contain is rolled, the marauders are just being started, MKP didn't added enough raxes and he gets rolled. Painful loss for him.

G2, taldarim : MKP goes 1 rax to reactor to proxy fact to thor rush, but MC sees the obvious weakness. He scouts the building bunker, delay it twice by killing the constructors, and when the bunker is done it's already nearly dead. 4 marines against 2 stalkers and a zealot, like is hard for MKP. MC makes a pylon in front of MKP's base and just rolls everything, as there is only one reacrax to defend. The thor pops so MKP tries to fly his buildings, but a zealot and a probe surround kills it and MKP ggs for a second painful and quick loss.

G3, crevasse : MKP one rax expand, MC 4 gates with 1 stargate. MC makes 2 pylons at the bottom of the MKP's expo's cliff, then with the help of his void ray to give vision warp a round of 4 zealots in MKP's expo. MKP has a bunker in front but he empties it to go defend his expo, he now has 4 naked raxes. He defend successfully, without killing the now 2 VR but killing all the units warped. After another push, the 2 charged void ray kills the expo, but stim kicks in and mkp destroys MC's push and takes the 2 pylons, which supply block MC. The rest is anecdotal, MKP rolls MC who taps out with 2 supply left.

G4, xelnaga caverns : MC one gate expo then adds a robo, and only then 3 more gates. During this time, MKP one base with a reacrax, a factory pumping tanks with siege and a starport pumping banshees without cloak. As MKP starts his push with marines tank banshees (15+ marines, 4 tanks and 2 banshees + 4 scvs), MC has some zealots, stalkers and an immortal. MKP sieges one tank near the "hole" in front of MC's expo, then go forward, but MC push at this time, so the 3 unsieged tanks waste some time sieging. Despite this, when the dust settle MC has nothing left while MKP still has 5-6 marines and 4 tanks. He cleans up the expo, including 3 crucial pylons that supplyblock MC like in previous game, then sieges the bottom of MC's base, with a newly made banshee to give high ground vision. MC gets rolled, and it rains mules. MKP fist pump (first time I see him doing that =) )

G5, terminusRE : MKP 1 rax expand, adding 3 raxes and a bunker, while MC 3 (or 4 ?) gates. MC prepares for an attack, but good defense and delay tactics by MKP makes MC retreat some left stalkers after losing quite a good number of units. MC starts a robo, a nexus and a robo bay. MKP starts shield and concussive and adds marauders to break the mini stalker contain, then push with a sizable force but without stim. Battle at MC's expo, but MC micro and hit and run with his stalker is brilliant and makes MKP lose a lot more time, enough time for the first colossus to pop and clear the push. MC lost nearly all his gateway units here, so he is like 35 food behind when the dust settle, even more because MKP's 3rd is nearly done. MKP scouts with his factory and sees mass colossi (5) and starts 2 new starports in addition to his reactored starport already in place. With a high viking count, a large supply lead, upgrade lead and a great concave, plus one EMP, MKP just rolls over the 5 colossi with stalkers but no zealots and MC taps out quickly.

Overall intense games, not the greatest games but a sick scenario makes this serie very nice to watch.

On April 05 2011 22:00 Curu wrote:


The opening also put him behind in upgrades and forced him to go into HT tech when that gas could have been used for more stalkers/charge/blink/colossi.

On April 05 2011 21:51 IVN wrote:
So, not one Toss is QQing about imba Terra/stim/MMM...


I bet, had MC rolled MKP 3:0, this thread would be 500+ pages long, and at least 80% of the posts would have been whining about FFs, Colossi, warpgates, and so on.


I'm really proud for being a Protoss player. Protoss = guys with balls. T/Z = constantly whining "old wives".

On April 05 2011 21:59 Sami` wrote:


I'm not selling MC short, I said he has solid micro but lets face it P micro is a lot less demanding than T bio macro is and how am I basing it off of one series? all MC ever does is timing attacks.

On April 05 2011 22:04 tdt wrote:
Outstanding !

On terminus I think it was a 3 gate expo.

On April 05 2011 22:04 Redman wrote:


lol toss qq just as much if not more...

On April 05 2011 21:59 Sami` wrote:


I'm not selling MC short, I said he has solid micro but lets face it P micro is a lot less demanding than T bio micro is and how am I basing it off of one series? all MC ever does is timing attacks.

On April 05 2011 22:08 darksage78 wrote:
I hope oGsMC takes this loss in earnest and realizes he's got a lot to prepare for future GSLs and the foreign tournaments he's been signed up for. But I'll be cheering for MarineKingPrime now. C'mon I wanna see a switch of handle to OptimusPrime >=D

On April 05 2011 22:03 Zealot Lord wrote:


So are you talking about micro or macro..? MC has to be considered one of the best micro in SC2 right now man - if you watch his PvP's, then you'll know its not just 'solid' but spectacular.

On April 05 2011 21:58 HolyArrow wrote:
What people don't realize about MC is that he isn't cocky just because he wants to be an asshole, he's cocky to help himself deal with his own nerve issues. People also don't realize that MC is a great friend and a very nice guy (just ask Jinro). People also don't realize that MC's micro is ridiculously difficult to emulate, and to simplify it as just "using forcefields" is the same as simplifying MKP's micro as "just kiting". People also don't realize that MC actually plays a very strong macro game but probably got stuck into this odd "I want to kill MKP early because that's always been working for me with other opponents in the past" mindset, which is admittedly a huge flaw in judgment on MC's part.

Basically, if you know all these things about MC, it doesn't make much sense to dislike him, which brings me to the conclusion that everyone who dislikes MC just doesn't know enough about him and harbors one of the misconceptions I stated above.

Yes, I am a huge MC fanboy but my reasons are completely valid.