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On April 05 2011 21:43 Sami` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 21:26 jellyjello wrote:
MC is still a better player, but you can definitely tell that MC didn't practice much for this match. In every game he was reacting to what MKP did. Zealot + sentry combo was a terrible idea for MC, because MKP basically out-micro'd that very easily. If MC had prepared just a little, he would know that MKP's marine micro is one of the best. I don't think MC is the better player - he plays a better race. I'm not saying MC isn't good because he is and he has solid micro but at the moment he is winning games because of race and timed attacks that are very hard to counter no matter who is doing them. MKP has better micro and adapts to the situation far better than MC who seems a little lost when his timed attacks don't work. MKP is his own biggest enemy, he does these high risk strategies when he should trust his own skills more - when he is playing at his best I don't think any Z or P can beat him, T is a little different since it is a little too easy for T to counter his style.
Oh, come on, don't sell MC short like that by just saying that he plays a better race. You obviously haven't seen MC's micro in other series and are basing that entire opinion off this one series.
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On April 05 2011 21:44 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 21:43 urban wrote:
Today 2 Terans Win against 2 Protoss.
Where have they gone who are always crying baby saying SC2 unbalanced especially said Protoss too strong! Meanwhile, Ts have begun adapting to MC's 5-6 Gate push.
You do realize MC did not use that build in any of his games, right?
On April 05 2011 21:33 Piski wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 21:32 SKYFISH_ wrote:
Is there any way to get a hold of the replays from the last games from each set?
I really want to check them out Replays no, VOD's yes.
On April 05 2011 21:34 Cramsy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 21:32 SKYFISH_ wrote:
Is there any way to get a hold of the replays from the last games from each set?
I really want to check them out they should be up on GOM soon. I think the MVP ones are up already
thanks guise, I was hoping that there'd be a way to get the actual replays cause I really want to see how MVP killed San in first person but I guess that wont be happening
oh well
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So, not one Toss is QQing about imba Terra/stim/MMM...
I bet, had MC rolled MKP 3:0, this thread would be 500+ pages long, and at least 80% of the posts would have been whining about FFs, Colossi, warpgates, and so on.
I'm really proud for being a Protoss player. Protoss = guys with balls. T/Z = constantly whining "old wives".
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On April 05 2011 21:49 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 21:43 HolyArrow wrote:On April 05 2011 21:43 urban wrote:
Today 2 Terans Win against 2 Protoss.
Where have they gone who are always crying baby saying SC2 unbalanced especially said Protoss too strong! The great thing is that we have hardly anyone here complaining about Terran at all. Protoss, truly a race of men ;D Uhhh, there was ONE standard game today, and MVP lost that. Everything else was a cheese by either the Terran or Protoss or some sort of all in timing push. This was hardly an indication of the state of the matchup.
Firstly, I was mostly joking with my comment. Secondly, the actual nature of the games isn't the point at all. The idea is that no matter how games look, if Protoss wins, people will bitch and moan. 4gate, people bitch about that, or in a long standard macro game, people will complain about how strong P lategame is.
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On April 05 2011 21:49 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 21:43 HolyArrow wrote:On April 05 2011 21:43 urban wrote:
Today 2 Terans Win against 2 Protoss.
Where have they gone who are always crying baby saying SC2 unbalanced especially said Protoss too strong! The great thing is that we have hardly anyone here complaining about Terran at all. Protoss, truly a race of men ;D Uhhh, there was ONE standard game today, and MVP lost that. Everything else was a cheese by either the Terran or Protoss or some sort of all in timing push. This was hardly an indication of the state of the matchup.
Wasn't San vs. MVP on Xel'Naga Caverns a "standard" game? It did reach 4 base vs. 3 base.
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On April 05 2011 21:52 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 21:49 Curu wrote:On April 05 2011 21:43 HolyArrow wrote:On April 05 2011 21:43 urban wrote:
Today 2 Terans Win against 2 Protoss.
Where have they gone who are always crying baby saying SC2 unbalanced especially said Protoss too strong! The great thing is that we have hardly anyone here complaining about Terran at all. Protoss, truly a race of men ;D Uhhh, there was ONE standard game today, and MVP lost that. Everything else was a cheese by either the Terran or Protoss or some sort of all in timing push. This was hardly an indication of the state of the matchup. Wasn't San vs. MVP a "standard" game?
I just said there was one standard game and MVP lost. Herp derp?
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On April 05 2011 21:51 IVN wrote:
So, not one Toss is QQing about imba Terra/stim/MMM...
I bet, had MC rolled MKP 3:0, this thread would be 500+ pages long, and at least 80% of the posts would have been whining about FFs, Colossi, warpgates, and so on.
I'm really proud for being a Protoss player. Protoss = guys with balls. T/Z = constantly whining "old wives".
Haha while that's basically a sweeping generalization, I also noticed that we Protosses took issue with MC's flaws, rather than jumping straight into Terran QQ.
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On April 05 2011 21:53 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 21:52 dabom88 wrote:On April 05 2011 21:49 Curu wrote:On April 05 2011 21:43 HolyArrow wrote:On April 05 2011 21:43 urban wrote:
Today 2 Terans Win against 2 Protoss.
Where have they gone who are always crying baby saying SC2 unbalanced especially said Protoss too strong! The great thing is that we have hardly anyone here complaining about Terran at all. Protoss, truly a race of men ;D Uhhh, there was ONE standard game today, and MVP lost that. Everything else was a cheese by either the Terran or Protoss or some sort of all in timing push. This was hardly an indication of the state of the matchup. Wasn't San vs. MVP a "standard" game? I just said there was one standard game and MVP lost. Herp derp?
I Edited the post to show which game I was referring to, sorry.
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On April 05 2011 21:43 Sami` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 21:26 jellyjello wrote:
MC is still a better player, but you can definitely tell that MC didn't practice much for this match. In every game he was reacting to what MKP did. Zealot + sentry combo was a terrible idea for MC, because MKP basically out-micro'd that very easily. If MC had prepared just a little, he would know that MKP's marine micro is one of the best. I don't think MC is the better player - he plays a better race. I'm not saying MC isn't good because he is and he has solid micro but at the moment he is winning games because of race and timed attacks that are very hard to counter no matter who is doing them. MKP has better micro and adapts to the situation far better than MC who seems a little lost when his timed attacks don't work.
lol MC only has 'solid micro'? Wins just because of the race he plays? wtf? I mean I can see why people may hate MC for his cockiness, but the amount of disrespect he gets is borderline ridiculous =/
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On April 05 2011 21:51 IVN wrote:
So, not one Toss is QQing about imba Terra/stim/MMM...
I bet, had MC rolled MKP 3:0, this thread would be 500+ pages long, and at least 80% of the posts would have been whining about FFs, Colossi, warpgates, and so on.
I'm really proud for being a Protoss player. Protoss = guys with balls. T/Z = constantly whining "old wives".
Yeah this would have been a QQ fest for sure had it been 3:0 to MC...
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On April 05 2011 21:51 IVN wrote:
So, not one Toss is QQing about imba Terra/stim/MMM...
I bet, had MC rolled MKP 3:0, this thread would be 500+ pages long, and at least 80% of the posts would have been whining about FFs, Colossi, warpgates, and so on.
MC was up 2-0 but no one was QQing about balance because the things people normally complain about didn't really factor into today's games.
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On April 05 2011 21:54 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 21:53 Curu wrote:On April 05 2011 21:52 dabom88 wrote:On April 05 2011 21:49 Curu wrote:On April 05 2011 21:43 HolyArrow wrote:On April 05 2011 21:43 urban wrote:
Today 2 Terans Win against 2 Protoss.
Where have they gone who are always crying baby saying SC2 unbalanced especially said Protoss too strong! The great thing is that we have hardly anyone here complaining about Terran at all. Protoss, truly a race of men ;D Uhhh, there was ONE standard game today, and MVP lost that. Everything else was a cheese by either the Terran or Protoss or some sort of all in timing push. This was hardly an indication of the state of the matchup. Wasn't San vs. MVP a "standard" game? I just said there was one standard game and MVP lost. Herp derp? I Edited the post to show which game I was referring to, sorry.
Well unless my memory is really wrong, didn't San do a DT rush into HT and Colossus tech at the same time on that map? Hardly standard.
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so that 350 APM did help MVP in the end 
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On April 05 2011 21:55 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 21:54 dabom88 wrote:On April 05 2011 21:53 Curu wrote:On April 05 2011 21:52 dabom88 wrote:On April 05 2011 21:49 Curu wrote:On April 05 2011 21:43 HolyArrow wrote:On April 05 2011 21:43 urban wrote:
Today 2 Terans Win against 2 Protoss.
Where have they gone who are always crying baby saying SC2 unbalanced especially said Protoss too strong! The great thing is that we have hardly anyone here complaining about Terran at all. Protoss, truly a race of men ;D Uhhh, there was ONE standard game today, and MVP lost that. Everything else was a cheese by either the Terran or Protoss or some sort of all in timing push. This was hardly an indication of the state of the matchup. Wasn't San vs. MVP a "standard" game? I just said there was one standard game and MVP lost. Herp derp? I Edited the post to show which game I was referring to, sorry. Well unless my memory is really wrong, didn't San do a DT rush into HT and Colossus tech at the same time on that map? Hardly standard.
Opening wasn't standard, but it definitely transitioned into a standard Macro game. Nearly any game that reaches 3 base vs. 4 base can be said to have transitioned into standard Macro play regardless of the opening.
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Anyway, recap of MKP vs MC :
G1, metalopolis : MKP instantly flies to the gold while MC 1gate expand. The probe is confused and check the mains twice before realising, but it's too late, MKP has already 3 rax pumping marines. MKP pushes while starting a CC in another main, but MC has a pylon here, positioned to warp near the gold base. MKP dual bunker the expo nexus and kills it, which was a crucial mistake as it allowed MC to pump a sizable force from his new 4 warpgates. The MKP contain is rolled, the marauders are just being started, MKP didn't added enough raxes and he gets rolled. Painful loss for him.
G2, taldarim : MKP goes 1 rax to reactor to proxy fact to thor rush, but MC sees the obvious weakness. He scouts the building bunker, delay it twice by killing the constructors, and when the bunker is done it's already nearly dead. 4 marines against 2 stalkers and a zealot, life is hard for MKP. MC makes a pylon in front of MKP's base and just rolls everything, as there is only one reacrax to defend. The thor pops so MKP tries to fly his buildings, but a zealot and a probe surround kills it and MKP ggs for a second painful and quick loss.
G3, crevasse : MKP one rax expand, MC 4 gates with 1 stargate. MC makes 2 pylons at the bottom of the MKP's expo's cliff, then with the help of his void ray to give vision warp a round of 4 zealots in MKP's expo. MKP has a bunker in front but he empties it to go defend his expo, he now has 4 naked raxes. He defend successfully, without killing the now 2 VR but killing all the warped units. After another push, the 2 charged void ray kills the expo, but stim kicks in and mkp destroys MC's push and takes the 2 pylons, which supply block MC. The rest is anecdotal, MKP rolls MC who taps out with 2 supply left.
G4, xelnaga caverns : MC one gate expo then adds a robo, and only then 3 more gates. During this time, MKP one base with a reacrax, a factory pumping tanks with siege and a starport pumping banshees without cloak. As MKP starts his push with marines tank banshees (15+ marines, 4 tanks and 2 banshees + 4 scvs), MC has some zealots, stalkers and an immortal. MKP sieges one tank near the "hole" in front of MC's expo, then go forward, but MC push at this time, so the 3 unsieged tanks waste some time sieging. Despite this, when the dust settle MC has nothing left while MKP still has 5-6 marines and 4 tanks. He cleans up the expo, including 3 crucial pylons that supplyblock MC like in previous game, then sieges the bottom of MC's base, with a newly made banshee to give high ground vision. MC gets rolled, and it rains mules. MKP fist pump (first time I see him doing that =) )
G5, terminusRE : MKP 1 rax expand, adding 3 raxes and a bunker, while MC 3 (or 4 ?) gates. MC prepares for an attack, but good defense and delay tactics by MKP makes MC retreat some left stalkers after losing quite a good number of units. MC starts a robo, a nexus and a robo bay. MKP starts shield and concussive and adds marauders to break the mini stalker contain, then push with a sizable force but without stim. MKP on 6 raxes now. Battle at MC's expo, but MC micro and hit and run with his stalker is brilliant and makes MKP lose a lot more time, enough time for the first colossus to pop and clear the push. MC lost nearly all his gateway units here, so he is like 35 food behind when the dust settle, even more because MKP's 3rd is nearly done. MKP scouts with his factory and sees mass colossi (5) and starts 2 new starports in addition to his reactored starport already in place. With a high viking count, a large supply lead, upgrade lead and a great concave, plus one EMP, MKP just rolls over the 5 colossi with stalkers but no zealots and MC taps out quickly.
Overall intense games, not the greatest games but a sick scenario makes this serie very nice to watch.
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On April 05 2011 21:12 zyzq wrote:
MC showing that he is very vulnerable PvT
He beat like 2 terrans before getting cheesed out by a third in the GTSL so I don't think that's particularly true.
He said MVP/MKP are the only terrans he's afraid of though.
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nice day:
MVP (the best player imo) going to the final and the most arrogant player (MC, shame on you for all your countless disses ingame and in all of your interviews) getting knocked out by a guy doing 5 differnent things in 5 different games, showing that creativness is alive.
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I'm glad Mc is out, he's so arrogant that pisses me off.
MKP seriously need to win, if he lose this that's 3 silvers in his belt lol
Yellow of Sc2
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What people don't realize about MC is that he isn't cocky just because he wants to be an asshole, he's cocky to help himself deal with his own nerve issues. People also don't realize that MC is a great friend and a very nice guy (just ask Jinro). People also don't realize that MC's micro is ridiculously difficult to emulate, and to simplify it as just "using forcefields" is the same as simplifying MKP's micro as "just kiting". People also don't realize that MC actually plays a very strong macro game but probably got stuck into this odd "I want to kill MKP early because that's always been working for me with other opponents in the past" mindset, which is admittedly a huge flaw in judgment on MC's part.
Basically, if you know all these things about MC, it doesn't make much sense to dislike him, which brings me to the conclusion that everyone who dislikes MC just doesn't know enough about him and harbors one of the misconceptions I stated above. Yes, I am a huge MC fanboy but my reasons are completely valid.
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