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rbx270j
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
April 05 2011 12:23 GMT
#2961
I just realized... there's a good opportunity for some pirate bird/eagle tie-ins.
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
April 05 2011 12:24 GMT
#2962
On April 05 2011 21:23 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 21:21 zyzq wrote:
On April 05 2011 21:20 Hokay wrote:
On April 05 2011 21:16 tdt wrote:

MC just got too cocky and tried to crush MKP with early pushes and semi all ins every game. Meanwhile MKP gained a ton of confidence after game 3 and MC didnt change. Hard headed. Hope he learns from this.


There was nothing cocky about MC's play. After the 3rd game he did change, he 1 gate expand for a macro game on xel'naga caverns only to die to a simple all in.


wasn't game 3 on crevasse where MC did that proxy void ray all-in?


Yeah. He's saying that MC changed it up after that game, but then MKP just did a really hard one-base push.


ok sorry read that wrong
HeroMystic
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1217 Posts
April 05 2011 12:25 GMT
#2963
On April 05 2011 21:23 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 21:21 zyzq wrote:
On April 05 2011 21:20 Hokay wrote:
On April 05 2011 21:16 tdt wrote:

MC just got too cocky and tried to crush MKP with early pushes and semi all ins every game. Meanwhile MKP gained a ton of confidence after game 3 and MC didnt change. Hard headed. Hope he learns from this.


There was nothing cocky about MC's play. After the 3rd game he did change, he 1 gate expand for a macro game on xel'naga caverns only to die to a simple all in.


wasn't game 3 on crevasse where MC did that proxy void ray all-in?

He played 1-base in Game 5 too, then he tried to expand AND tech to collosi.

I was really wondering why he was trying to do 2-base Colossi when he was so behind. Nevermind trying to push.
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
April 05 2011 12:26 GMT
#2964
MC is still a better player, but you can definitely tell that MC didn't practice much for this match. In every game he was reacting to what MKP did. Zealot + sentry combo was a terrible idea for MC, because MKP basically out-micro'd that very easily. If MC had prepared just a little, he would know that MKP's marine micro is one of the best.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 05 2011 12:26 GMT
#2965
I'm glad MKP could do it, that was pretty sick, rarely a GSL day made me so happy.
And as a T player, I actually learned something useful against protoss, this is to make 3 or 4 raxes very quickly, without reactor (the reactor just create a too big timing window for a 3 gate or 4 gating toss). This way you have a powerful early defense against nearly everything (need to see it against the MC's "sentry push" tho)
Then you can add techlabs when you're stabilized. I will definitely copy that.
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
April 05 2011 12:27 GMT
#2966
Problem with his game on Xel'Naga was that he got a ROBO after a 1-gate Expand. Just didn't have enough units.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 05 2011 12:27 GMT
#2967
On April 05 2011 21:26 jellyjello wrote:
MC is still a better player, but you can definitely tell that MC didn't practice much for this match. In every game he was reacting to what MKP did. Zealot + sentry combo was a terrible idea for MC, because MKP basically out-micro'd that very easily. If MC had prepared just a little, he would know that MKP's marine micro is one of the best.


I agree that he likely got overconfident and didn't practice enough (probably thrown off by how MKP hasn't been performing too well lately in tournaments) but MC probably knows that MKP has godly marine micro. I mean, MKP's been known for that since Season 2.
Hokay
Profile Joined May 2007
United States738 Posts
April 05 2011 12:27 GMT
#2968
On April 05 2011 21:25 HeroMystic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 21:23 Zane wrote:
On April 05 2011 21:21 zyzq wrote:
On April 05 2011 21:20 Hokay wrote:
On April 05 2011 21:16 tdt wrote:

MC just got too cocky and tried to crush MKP with early pushes and semi all ins every game. Meanwhile MKP gained a ton of confidence after game 3 and MC didnt change. Hard headed. Hope he learns from this.


There was nothing cocky about MC's play. After the 3rd game he did change, he 1 gate expand for a macro game on xel'naga caverns only to die to a simple all in.


wasn't game 3 on crevasse where MC did that proxy void ray all-in?

He played 1-base in Game 5 too, then he tried to expand AND tech to collosi.

I was really wondering why he was trying to do 2-base Colossi when he was so behind. Nevermind trying to push.


You need the splash damage to handle the incoming mass upgraded marine timing attack. The push with only 2 base while being behind was an awful decision though.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
April 05 2011 12:27 GMT
#2969
On April 05 2011 21:15 magha wrote:
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On April 05 2011 21:13 Fenrisulf wrote:
On April 05 2011 21:11 magha wrote:
Can someone summarize the tactics Terrans used? Ever since Protoss been better at defending vs MMM Terrans have been shifting up their play towards ghosts, mech, etc. Really curious what happened in these games but I dont have time to watch them right now.


basically cut the extra 2 Ms out

Marines
Kill
Protoss

:D


What about MVPs games?

MVP beat San two games due to San's failed 4 gates (which were weird strats, considering san is better at late game macro).

Game 2 on Shakuras, MVP did a VERY strong tank-marauder-marine-bunker push. But he didn't know san managed to power up hard on 2 bases (he got almost everything - zealots, stalkers, sentries, colossus, phoenixes) and because of that san managed to kill the push and from there was always ahead. It was basically siege tank marauder marine medivac vs gateway units, colossus, HT and occasional DTs and immortals for the rest of the game.

Game 4, san got ahead very fast due to a DT rush and some battles going in his favor. In fact he was pretty far ahead, getting a better economy, tech and upgrades. But somehow or rather within 30 seconds, MVP marauder dropped to destroy templar archives, killed a lot of probes with hellions and then won a key battle with probably the most perfect micro ever, and san instantly gg-ed.
(it's almost like an mixed martial arts where the guy who won was outwrestled by his opponent the whole match and within a couple of seconds he locks on an armbar for an instant tap out)
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
April 05 2011 12:28 GMT
#2970
On April 05 2011 21:25 HeroMystic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 21:23 Zane wrote:
On April 05 2011 21:21 zyzq wrote:
On April 05 2011 21:20 Hokay wrote:
On April 05 2011 21:16 tdt wrote:

MC just got too cocky and tried to crush MKP with early pushes and semi all ins every game. Meanwhile MKP gained a ton of confidence after game 3 and MC didnt change. Hard headed. Hope he learns from this.


There was nothing cocky about MC's play. After the 3rd game he did change, he 1 gate expand for a macro game on xel'naga caverns only to die to a simple all in.


wasn't game 3 on crevasse where MC did that proxy void ray all-in?

He played 1-base in Game 5 too, then he tried to expand AND tech to collosi.

I was really wondering why he was trying to do 2-base Colossi when he was so behind. Nevermind trying to push.

He had already lost at that point he was lucky to have held at all. You cant pick apart his play as if it was a planned build after that. He isnt going to get back into the game by building gateway units and he already had colossus tech so its a no brainer.
bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
April 05 2011 12:28 GMT
#2971
On April 05 2011 21:01 gregnog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 20:59 Dakmaniac wrote:
On April 05 2011 20:58 hocash wrote:
Marines are ridiculously strong. Enough complaining about Protoss being OP.



yes ofc !!! becuz everyone (especially you i suppose) can control marines like their king ~.~

he didn't really show any breathtaking micro? or what did I miss? same stuff I see every decent terran do on a daily basis.

i'm surprised by your godly understanding of the game.
We are dusts in the vast cosmic arena. Need to make the most out of life when we still have it.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 05 2011 12:29 GMT
#2972
And MKP could very well gain a lot of confidence from this, at least enough to fight MVP on equal ground. Not to mention TvT meta has evolved since the season 3 finals. MVP lost some TvT in recent GSTL against standard play, I'll give MKP a lot more chance this time. (but I still think MVP is the favorite)
SilverLeagueElite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States626 Posts
April 05 2011 12:31 GMT
#2973
On April 05 2011 21:05 pdd wrote:
Other moral of the story from today's games:

All-In Strats never work: See San vs MVP Game 1 and 3, MKP vs MC Game 1,2,3,5

EDIT: Oh wait MKP v MC turned out in the favor of the all-inner.

MKP v MC. The person who ended up doing the all-in strat got crushed. MKP started finding success when he starts going standard macro. I like this trend.
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
April 05 2011 12:32 GMT
#2974
On April 05 2011 21:31 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 21:05 pdd wrote:
Other moral of the story from today's games:

All-In Strats never work: See San vs MVP Game 1 and 3, MKP vs MC Game 1,2,3,5

EDIT: Oh wait MKP v MC turned out in the favor of the all-inner.

MKP v MC. The person who ended up doing the all-in strat got crushed. MKP started finding success when he starts going standard macro. I like this trend.


Didn't MKP win with a all-in in game 5? After MC went for 1gate expand :o
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
April 05 2011 12:32 GMT
#2975
On April 05 2011 21:29 MrCon wrote:
And MKP could very well gain a lot of confidence from this, at least enough to fight MVP on equal ground. Not to mention TvT meta has evolved since the season 3 finals. MVP lost some TvT in recent GSTL against standard play, I'll give MKP a lot more chance this time. (but I still think MVP is the favorite)

The team game is different where you dont know who you are going to play and the previous losing team choses the next map to being able to prepare for an opponent you know you are going to face.
SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
April 05 2011 12:32 GMT
#2976
Is there any way to get a hold of the replays from the last games from each set?

I really want to check them out
In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
April 05 2011 12:33 GMT
#2977
On April 05 2011 21:32 SKYFISH_ wrote:
Is there any way to get a hold of the replays from the last games from each set?

I really want to check them out


Replays no, VOD's yes.
Cramsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1100 Posts
April 05 2011 12:34 GMT
#2978
On April 05 2011 21:32 SKYFISH_ wrote:
Is there any way to get a hold of the replays from the last games from each set?

I really want to check them out


they should be up on GOM soon. I think the MVP ones are up already
"give me 20 minutes and I'll make them quiet" - MVP
ckast
Profile Joined September 2010
175 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-05 12:35:36
April 05 2011 12:34 GMT
#2979
one thing i dont understand is why MC rarely used sentry today
he used to do some sentry heavy build to roll T and Z (i dont watch pvz so im not aware of it)
Grummler
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany743 Posts
April 05 2011 12:35 GMT
#2980
On April 05 2011 21:06 Brad wrote:
After all the Protoss drama, we have a TvT finals. The irony.


I will lmao if MKP gets 2nd again =D. Could be possible, MVPs TvT is pretty strong.
@TvT finals: we had 2 Zerg GSL Champions while everyone cried "T op!", so i guess having a Terran champion while "P op!" makes sense, somehow.
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