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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied. Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't. |
On March 30 2011 11:55 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 11:41 TurpinOS wrote:On March 30 2011 11:38 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 30 2011 11:28 mordk wrote:
If it were up to me, and I just had to pick that last EG player, I'd definitely pick one-arm DemusliM over 4 arm Incontrol. He's just a better player, offering better results, more compelling play, great strategies and is overall an awesome player to watch.
Plus, being from UK he's a player that increases diversity, and allows a country that is normally not so hot on e-sports to have someone to root for.
On the whole NightEnd issue. It is the tournament's organizers responsibility to state ALL the conditions required to sign the contracts in question. I find it unbelievable that Xeris is justifying their mistake based on BRAT_OK's manager's managerial acumen.
Xeris, you should remember that most of these players do not have that kind of managers, and that, whenever a person starts something requiring an application process, the conditions to be met must be fully detailed. This is actually a HUGE mistake by NASL's organization, it's sort of a sentinel mistake, in that it reveals that there's a problem with how things are being done.
The damage is already done though, all you can do is look to the future and ensure it won't be happening again, but you should definitely recognize this is a managerial mistake by NASL, since nightend had no way to know this could be an issue. Basically what I'm saying is, that while RoX_KiS manager's attitude is good, and commendable, you can't expect everyone to act in the same way, since conditions are different for different players, this is why the minimum the organization can do is state is full detail every condition needed to apply. When NightEnd was informed that the finals will take place in the USA he should have realized that he would need a Visa. It's pretty damn obvious. RoX_KiS's manager knows what must be done because he is better at his job. It is not Xeris fault that NightEnd or his manager don't know the basic knowledge of foreign travel, especially when applying to a league that has the finals in a foreign country to him. Yes, and nightend TOLD THEM he wouldnt have any issues getting a VISA, if NASL wanted more than that (an ACTUAL visa) they should have asked so, and not just sat there and once the selection is done turn around and tell him ''oh btw we needed a visa so youre cut'' Implying that Nighend or his manager dont know how travelling word is a baseless statement, obviously they know how this works, but actually knowing that you require to ''already have a visa in case you get selected in the 50'' is a whole different issue Also, from the general tone of your post its obvious you havent read half of this thread but ill still bait, rox_kis' manager did so only because brat_ok already had issues in previous tournaments, this is also a totally different situation. I have read this whole thread, been keeping a close eye on it since the NASL was announced. I know about Brat_ok's troubles with traveling too. It means he and his manager have learned from past mistakes. Why didn't NightEnd or his manager learn from Brat_ok's troubles? NightEnd thinks he wouldn't have any trouble getting a Visa, but it is not a given. Yes he should have gotten his Visa in advance not only for NASL, but also if he makes the finals of the TSL. What if it turns out he makes the finals, but can't get his Visa in time or at all? Its a process he and his manager should have completed already.
He couldn't go around pre-emptively applying for visas for every tournament he enters. Not practical, not to mention probably breaks a rule or two in the visa acceptance process.
That said, anybody who knows anything travel knows that no one ever gets denied for a visa unless there's a reason for it. For 99.9% of travelers to the vast majority of countries, it's just a formality. He's a pro gamer for fucks sake, there's not going to be a reason to deny his visa app.
It's petty to deny someone's application for this reason. There are a million other more likely reasons why someone couldn't attend, why focus on this one?
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On March 30 2011 12:46 Raeleigh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:14 Shinobi1982 wrote:On March 30 2011 12:08 Raeleigh wrote:On March 30 2011 11:03 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I see you make many spelling mistakes in English, which comes off very childish. I don't know if you can comprehend just how incredibly stupid this makes you look. If you can't understand someone else or have a conversation with them without pointing out their spelling, you're an elitist fuck who shouldn't be bothering anyway. I would love to see you go to Japan, Korea, or some other country where you don't know the language as well, and have your grammar and spelling 100% perfect. It was completely unnecessary to point out his spelling. Sigh.. Is there something not true about it? How can you take someone serious if he makes very obvious spelling mistakes? If you think it's no big deal then you are in minority on this one for sure. I'm am not a native English speaker myself I make grammar mistakes but at least I try to get rid of spelling mistakes. Take care Dem trolls. I've had ex's who's first language wasn't English, and they tried their best, and that was all I asked for. Didn't mean they were any less intelligent. Especially if you're teaching yourself English, it is a LOT harder to spell anything properly. Ah well! At least NightEnd has people who don't judge him based on his spelling or posts. ♥
WTH is wrong with you? How can you tie something that comes across as "childish", being "less intelligent"? It is NOT even remotely close. You have no clue what you are talking about.
"Formal" complaints (which this is the case because NASL is a professional organization), job applications and such got straight to trashcan if there are obvious spelling mistakes. Besides I just wanted to help him. I'd love to see him play in season 1 instead of a lesser player but things are the way they are. Players are invited, contracts are signed and the groups are made. No amount of complaining will matter at this point.
When you talk in person or via a video/audio and you make mistakes I still admire the effort made, for sure! But with typing on computer you can easily take a spelling checker. And there's absolutely no effort if you don't use it.
Capiche? 2 completely different things.
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Totally happy with these players. NaDa's in, that's all I wanted!
I'm also looking forward to seeing how July does. A few prominent foreigners think he's bad but he's been pretty dominant lately.
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Yuz CatZ! With love!
Very satisfied with the list.
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On March 30 2011 07:41 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 07:15 KaveX wrote:
Stop this already, the unjustified NASL-will-make-esports-huge hype is getting more and more annoying. At this point, this is just a professional tournament with a rather high prize money pool. From what is known so far, in no way it is going to have a significant influence on the development of esports. I don't even see how anyone could rate its importance higher than WCG, MLG and IEM. It's going to be a great league and it could turn into a viable business that benefits esports but it has no potential to be a game-changer. It's not even tailored to reach broader audiences. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The importance of this tournament for eSports in NA is huge. Having to stay up till 5 am to watch a great tournament(GSL) doesn't help spread eSports at all, because only the most devoted fans will do that. Being able to tune in 5 days a week and catch some games at a primetime is exactly what we need to spread SC2 more. If i ask friends of mine to stay up till 5 am to check out a sc2, theyd tell me to go F*** myself, but if i ask people to check it out at 8 pm or w/e, theyd be glad to check it out. While it might not be as HUGE as some people make it out to be, you definetly shouldn't be downplaying its importance. Also I think the tourney has a great lineup, while its sad that some people didn't make it in. One of the good things about this, especially after reading Nightend's story which i didn't know about previously, is that guys who got snubbed are definetly going to become fan favorites, and the community will be behind them 100%. Goodluck to guys like Demuslim, mini, thorzain and Nightend on qualifying in the open tournament, and in seasons to come.
Is NASL going to be free (not being sarcastic, I just don't know and vaguely remember hearing $20 somewhere)? You can watch GSL whenever you want for $10, which I assume is the more common choice.
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On March 30 2011 13:24 Shinobi1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:46 Raeleigh wrote:On March 30 2011 12:14 Shinobi1982 wrote:On March 30 2011 12:08 Raeleigh wrote:On March 30 2011 11:03 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I see you make many spelling mistakes in English, which comes off very childish. I don't know if you can comprehend just how incredibly stupid this makes you look. If you can't understand someone else or have a conversation with them without pointing out their spelling, you're an elitist fuck who shouldn't be bothering anyway. I would love to see you go to Japan, Korea, or some other country where you don't know the language as well, and have your grammar and spelling 100% perfect. It was completely unnecessary to point out his spelling. Sigh.. Is there something not true about it? How can you take someone serious if he makes very obvious spelling mistakes? If you think it's no big deal then you are in minority on this one for sure. I'm am not a native English speaker myself I make grammar mistakes but at least I try to get rid of spelling mistakes. Take care Dem trolls. I've had ex's who's first language wasn't English, and they tried their best, and that was all I asked for. Didn't mean they were any less intelligent. Especially if you're teaching yourself English, it is a LOT harder to spell anything properly. Ah well! At least NightEnd has people who don't judge him based on his spelling or posts. ♥ WTH is wrong with you? How can you tie something that comes across as "childish", being "less intelligent"? It is NOT even remotely close. You have no clue what you are talking about. "Formal" complaints (which this is the case because NASL is a professional organization), job applications and such got straight to trashcan if there are obvious spelling mistakes. Besides I just wanted to help him. I'd love to see him play in season 1 instead of a lesser player but things are the way they are. Players are invited, contracts are signed and the groups are made. No amount of complaining will matter at this point. When you talk in person or via a video/audio and you make mistakes I still admire the effort made, for sure! But with typing on computer you can easily take a spelling checker. And there's absolutely no effort if you don't use it. Capiche? 2 completely different things.
I have to agree with Shinobi on this subject. If someone is live on camera, or even communicating with some kind of instant messenger, sure spelling and grammar mistakes are excusable, if not inevitable. However, through the medium of message boards, where you can type at your own pace, review your post when it's done, maybe run it through a spell checker, and even edit your post, there is a significant negative stigma attached to sloppy spelling. Hell, even as I type right now, the automated spellchecker underlines words in red that aren't in the dictionary.
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the last 5 are pretty crazy.... MC.... July... Boxer can't wait for NASL to actually start!
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I think the NASL did their best i feel sorry for the people that did not get picked but ofc with only 50 people to pick, its clear that you will break some nerd hearts.
And not that it matters much but .... amazing reaction from minigun. You will get my votes for next season.
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iNcontroL on SotG - "Moman got in almost entirely on his video."
God I feel bad for Minigun 
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What I find funny is how so many people are bitching about moman getting in off his video but if you go back a couple hundred pages everyone was screaming about how he should be in JUST FOR HIS VIDEO, seriously go check.
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On March 30 2011 15:03 ChrysaliS_ wrote:iNcontroL on SotG - "Moman got in almost entirely on his video." God I feel bad for Minigun
Take what you hear on SotG with a grain of salt. They do the cast to chill and have fun, which includes such things as jokes, sarcasm, and exaggeration; especially for Incontrol. Especially. I doubt he meant to degrade Moman or injure any player who didn't make it.
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Overall... really good picks,good job xeris.
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While I don't agree with most of the negative criticism here, there are definitely two things that have to be criticized:
1) I am on NightEnd's side on this whole visa thing. I mean, I'm from Switzerland, and certain people from Switzerland (with old passports) would have to get a visa too, or a at least new passport. Assumed that I would have applied and would be a good player, I do not think that I would have required to show a visa beforehand. Right? This lets me assume, that Nightend didn't get in because he is from Romania, a country from Eastern Europe.... which is.... kind of... not fair?
2) The whole application process was kind of half public/half secret, short deadlines and (at least for me, as lurker in the forums) kinda murky. The most fair thing to get the best players would have been Open qualification tournaments for sure. But it's understandable to go with the invite system for the first season (to be sure that the fan favourites are in, draws more viewers, easier to organize, etc..).
But I do think:
- The player list is great
- The event as a whole is great
- Incontrol does deserve a spot
- It's impossible to create a perfect list
Conclusion:
--> Get a professional PR-Dude. Talk internally first, communicate after. Don't react on forum trolls. Maybe take a look at NASL from outside USA (ok this is maybe not really fair, because it's still NASL  )
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On March 30 2011 15:17 pampelmus wrote:
1) I am on NightEnd's side on this whole visa thing. I mean, I'm from Switzerland, and certain people from Switzerland (with old passports) would have to get a visa too, or a at least new passport
Well, what's common information to everyone not from Switzerland or Romania is that Switzerland has a waiver program with the United States and Romania does not. I don't know if it'd be fair to hold whoever handles the application process for the NASL responsible for individual anomalies unless the player announces them. Even if you were to ask a Swiss player if there's anything stopping them from being eligible for the waiver, they might not even have the same knowledge that you do about the outdated passport thing and might just say "Nope, I'm not not a felon or anything."
Edit: It's useful to keep in mind that there are approximately 30 players outside the U.S. participating in this tournament and it's quite a large beast lumbering along at a quick pace. The more leeway you give a player in the application process, the bigger the chance for a disastrous hiccup becomes. When the NASL staff has a chance to gain experience from their first runthrough, I'm sure they'll have several changes to make and (for certain cases, not NightEnd's) players will have a better handle on the application process. It's a maiden voyage!
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On March 30 2011 12:14 Shinobi1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:08 Raeleigh wrote:On March 30 2011 11:03 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I see you make many spelling mistakes in English, which comes off very childish. I don't know if you can comprehend just how incredibly stupid this makes you look. If you can't understand someone else or have a conversation with them without pointing out their spelling, you're an elitist fuck who shouldn't be bothering anyway. I would love to see you go to Japan, Korea, or some other country where you don't know the language as well, and have your grammar and spelling 100% perfect. It was completely unnecessary to point out his spelling. Sigh.. Is there something not true about it? How can you take someone serious if he makes very obvious spelling mistakes? If you think it's no big deal then you are in minority on this one for sure. I'm am not a native English speaker myself I make grammar mistakes but at least I try to get rid of spelling mistakes. Take care
What the... Spelling mistakes come off as childish? You must be trolling mate, i can understand in officially published texts, such as on nasl.tv but when responding on a forum/chatting it is only natural.
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On March 30 2011 13:24 Shinobi1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:46 Raeleigh wrote:On March 30 2011 12:14 Shinobi1982 wrote:On March 30 2011 12:08 Raeleigh wrote:On March 30 2011 11:03 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I see you make many spelling mistakes in English, which comes off very childish. I don't know if you can comprehend just how incredibly stupid this makes you look. If you can't understand someone else or have a conversation with them without pointing out their spelling, you're an elitist fuck who shouldn't be bothering anyway. I would love to see you go to Japan, Korea, or some other country where you don't know the language as well, and have your grammar and spelling 100% perfect. It was completely unnecessary to point out his spelling. Sigh.. Is there something not true about it? How can you take someone serious if he makes very obvious spelling mistakes? If you think it's no big deal then you are in minority on this one for sure. I'm am not a native English speaker myself I make grammar mistakes but at least I try to get rid of spelling mistakes. Take care Dem trolls. I've had ex's who's first language wasn't English, and they tried their best, and that was all I asked for. Didn't mean they were any less intelligent. Especially if you're teaching yourself English, it is a LOT harder to spell anything properly. Ah well! At least NightEnd has people who don't judge him based on his spelling or posts. ♥ WTH is wrong with you? How can you tie something that comes across as "childish", being "less intelligent"? It is NOT even remotely close. You have no clue what you are talking about. "Formal" complaints (which this is the case because NASL is a professional organization), job applications and such got straight to trashcan if there are obvious spelling mistakes. Besides I just wanted to help him. I'd love to see him play in season 1 instead of a lesser player but things are the way they are. Players are invited, contracts are signed and the groups are made. No amount of complaining will matter at this point. When you talk in person or via a video/audio and you make mistakes I still admire the effort made, for sure! But with typing on computer you can easily take a spelling checker. And there's absolutely no effort if you don't use it. Capiche? 2 completely different things.
childish? maybe uncivilized but where did that come from lol :p
nice playerlist can't have all with just 50 too bad.
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On March 30 2011 13:24 Shinobi1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:46 Raeleigh wrote:On March 30 2011 12:14 Shinobi1982 wrote:On March 30 2011 12:08 Raeleigh wrote:On March 30 2011 11:03 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I see you make many spelling mistakes in English, which comes off very childish. I don't know if you can comprehend just how incredibly stupid this makes you look. If you can't understand someone else or have a conversation with them without pointing out their spelling, you're an elitist fuck who shouldn't be bothering anyway. I would love to see you go to Japan, Korea, or some other country where you don't know the language as well, and have your grammar and spelling 100% perfect. It was completely unnecessary to point out his spelling. Sigh.. Is there something not true about it? How can you take someone serious if he makes very obvious spelling mistakes? If you think it's no big deal then you are in minority on this one for sure. I'm am not a native English speaker myself I make grammar mistakes but at least I try to get rid of spelling mistakes. Take care Dem trolls. I've had ex's who's first language wasn't English, and they tried their best, and that was all I asked for. Didn't mean they were any less intelligent. Especially if you're teaching yourself English, it is a LOT harder to spell anything properly. Ah well! At least NightEnd has people who don't judge him based on his spelling or posts. ♥ WTH is wrong with you? How can you tie something that comes across as "childish", being "less intelligent"? It is NOT even remotely close. You have no clue what you are talking about. "Formal" complaints (which this is the case because NASL is a professional organization), job applications and such got straight to trashcan if there are obvious spelling mistakes. Besides I just wanted to help him. I'd love to see him play in season 1 instead of a lesser player but things are the way they are. Players are invited, contracts are signed and the groups are made. No amount of complaining will matter at this point. When you talk in person or via a video/audio and you make mistakes I still admire the effort made, for sure! But with typing on computer you can easily take a spelling checker. And there's absolutely no effort if you don't use it. Capiche? 2 completely different things.
I enjoy that you're still responding to this. ^_____^ Thank you! ♥
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On March 30 2011 15:17 pampelmus wrote:
1) I am on NightEnd's side on this whole visa thing. I mean, I'm from Switzerland, and certain people from Switzerland (with old passports) would have to get a visa too, or a at least new passport. Assumed that I would have applied and would be a good player, I do not think that I would have required to show a visa beforehand. Right? This lets me assume, that Nightend didn't get in because he is from Romania, a country from Eastern Europe.... which is.... kind of... not fair?
Romania does not have a Visa Waiver Program with the US, like switzerland does. Unfair? Pherhaps, but hardly NASL fault and i cant blame them for taking the safe route.
I have no idea how hard it would be to get a visa, but i know that Brat_OK have struggled with getting visas in the past and had to cancel some tournaments because of it, so it is hardly a strange requirement to require them to prove thier ability to get a visa beforehand. Like Brat_OK did in this case, providing a visa in advance, and White-Ra did aswell with his repeated visits to the USA.
Sucks for Nightend i agree, but from NASL's point of view the most important thing would be the integrity of the tournament and having as little risk for no-shows as possible. I am not sure if there are any other players invited who also comes from a country without VWP but do not think so.
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I was hoping for FOXLyn, but I honestly don't care since Artosis is in and that makes the tournament better in it's entirety.
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awesome groups! insane tournament coming!
allTHEway with brat_ok
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