EPT[NASL] Players (final) - Page 198
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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied. Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On March 30 2011 12:19 Gatsbi wrote: This is ridiculous, you must be trolling. There is EVERYTHING not true about it, and judging from the response you got, you are the one in the minority. Anyway, enough troll feeding. I couldn't understand whether Nightend was saying "threaten" or "treated." The real sad thing here is when people get offended when other people are trying to help when pointing out mistakes. I don't see people up in arms when games try to learn from mistakes and point out what they did wrong, but spelling is this ridiculously sensitive subject. Did it occur to you that people might appreciate help with spelling? I noticed you quoted half of the guy's post, leaving out the part where he said he's trying to help. I bring this up because I also believe language barriers cause some inevitable problems like with Nightend's application and if we could facilitate better communication, we could avoid these problems in the future. | ||
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Xeteh
United States589 Posts
On March 30 2011 08:59 TurpinOS wrote: I totally agree with your point, except for one little part. I would not have minded a single second if NASL simply said ''Due to our fear that you might not have the VISA in time well have to exclude you'', but simply disqualifying him because he didnt present the VISA (which was never stated as a condition) and not even explaining the situation with him directly (hey lets just post about it on a public forum) to me feels like a pretty big mistake. Yet it should be implied seeing as if he places in the top 16 he has to travel to the US. He might not know that himself but his manager should have. It was handled poorly on both ends, I don't see why it can't be left at that. All the iNcontroL flaming is a joke. Saying its "clearly a popularity contest" then having people whining about Destiny not making it in. iNc has been in tournaments in both BW and SC2, when so many people mentioned haven't been. Not only that but he's one of the people in the SC2 community that is taking a hands-on effort to making the SC2 e-sports scene actually take off. Between doing what he's done for the NASL, doing State of the Game every week and streaming for hours (even though people constantly feel the need to troll/harass him there too). Yes, there are players that didn't make the top 50 that are very deserving, for whatever reason. However, as it has been said there would be no list of 50 players that would appease everyone. Stop throwing your personal, and ridiculously biased, opinions cloud the fact that the NASL is going to be an amazing SC2 league that this community would've killed for back in Brood War. | ||
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Lipski
Poland373 Posts
On March 30 2011 15:17 pampelmus wrote: While I don't agree with most of the negative criticism here, there are definitely two things that have to be criticized: 1) I am on NightEnd's side on this whole visa thing. I mean, I'm from Switzerland, and certain people from Switzerland (with old passports) would have to get a visa too, or a at least new passport. Assumed that I would have applied and would be a good player, I do not think that I would have required to show a visa beforehand. Right? This lets me assume, that Nightend didn't get in because he is from Romania, a country from Eastern Europe.... which is.... kind of... not fair?l this is not valid argument at all. you are from switzerland, and you don't need a visa to visit US. if you don't have a new passport, you can just get one, and as a switzerland citizen you guaranteed to be able to get a new passport, thus be able to travel to US. In romania on the other hand, you can apply for visa, but it's not guaranteed you'll get one AND the process can take up to 60 days OR MORE. nasl FAQ (can't find a link right now, but it has been said many times that lan finals will be held in US) said that you have to be able to travel to US in case you'll qualify for lan finals. nighend didn't have visa, or was not in the process of even getting one (despite he is already in TSL, and TSL finals are in less than 63 days i believe, so there is a possibility of him getting to TSL finals, and not being able to fly to US for them because he does not have visa YET. does that sounds responsible to you?). all nasl guys had is nightend word that he could easily get visa if he wanted to. we don't know if it's true at all. | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On March 30 2011 16:16 raga4ka wrote: Did NASL organizers tell the players that they will need visa's before hand to enter in this tournament ? If not this is the biggest bullshit i have ever seen and in my eyes a huge disrespect to the players who deserved to get in this tournament . Kas probably the best player in EU based on results and consistency gets left out , because NASL organizers didn't inform the players about their demands ... in other worlds they didn't do their job and also NightEND who deserved to be there more then 1/4 of the NA players . Putting together a fledgling tournament of this magnitude isn't easy. Cut them a little slack. That said, I was almost certain that within the 2 weeks (March 2nd - Deadlines announced, March 16th - Contracts signed) given to prepare that a visa acquisition in many locations would be simply impossible. So, before blabbing my mouth I did some investigating and looked up some U.S. embassy information in Bucharest (which is actually a nightmare when you don't know the names of big cities in Romania, but it was worth it). Link: http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/wait/wait_4788.html?post=Bucharest&x=81&y=20 Current estimated application wait time for a U.S. visitor's visa interview: Either 2 or 7 days, I'm not sure which category this type of visit falls under Current estimated request process time: 1 day Which means that if NightEnd were aware from the start that Visa approval were a requirement, he could very well know by the time he signed the contract whether he would have one or not. I'm not pretending that I know anything about what occurred between the two parties, whether NightEnd was turned down because NASL knew he hadn't gotten Visa approval or he wasn't even asked if he had (which is a whole different issue). From what I read a Visa was never obtained though, which would've been a problem even if the question had been posed since the contract probably asks that players be certain that they can travel to the U.S. I just think the information might be useful or even simply interesting to someone somewhere. In any event, I'm 99% sure it's an issue that can't be fixed now no matter how much any party wishes they could and equally sure that with an organization like NASL on it it's an issue that won't even get a chance to crop up again in the next go around. No use mourning allegedly spilled milk. | ||
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firefistAce
United States137 Posts
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LooseMoose
United States184 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
Anyways, obviously there are some invites that better prove themselves, but I guess it's not possible to make everyone happy. Inviting Grubby over Minigun might be questionable based on pure skill, but Mini has no RTS-history after all while Grubby is a wc3-legend. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
WHY? thats just dumb. Hey WWE, bye Sport. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10596 Posts
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stratman
Canada110 Posts
Really excited for this tournament! | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On March 30 2011 17:29 CEPEHDREI wrote: "The next thing we did was to look at fun and exciting rivals and try to pair them: I.E. IdrA vs Tyler, Zenio… and Grubby vs Moon. " WHY? thats just dumb. Hey WWE, bye Sport. I think it's possible to show discontent with a non-randomized grouping without likening them to a series scripted events. Grubby hasn't been told to take a dive. There are probably people who prefer it this way: it guarantees the fans will see match-ups they want to see. I'd agree that it's kind've a raw deal to some players, since it can stack them in groups that they're unlikely to progress out of, which could cause them to not place where they might've otherwise. Still a far cry from professional wrestling. | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
On March 30 2011 17:23 sleepingdog wrote: All in all I think this went as smooth as you could expect....imo it was almost inevitable that "some" screw-up occured with an event at this magnitude. And make no mistake, they DID screw up on Nightend's issue badly. What I'm most surprised is that they apparently don't differentiate between ROMANIA and UKRAINE. Romania is part of the European Union for crying out loud, declining applications from citizens from a country of the European Union based on probably visa problems feels even to me a bit insulting. You need to read up on Romania and European Union mate, the deal between EU countries that provided ease of travel between them (thats right, between two EU countries) is called the "Schengen Agreement". Romania was admitted into the union 2007 iirc but they where denied membership in the schengen agreement until just a few days ago, meaning romanian citizens could not even travel easier to fellow countries within the union. (please note, some non EU countries are also members of the Schengen agreement, it pre-dates the union but is still used as the main agreement/rules for visas to other European countries) In fact, if you look at http://www.schengenvisa.cc/ Romania is still not listed as a member. Now, if being a part of the EU does not even ease travel to other EU countries, why do you think it makes a difference when travelling to the US? | ||
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Tablespoon
Norway223 Posts
Can't wait for the opener. | ||
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Owii
United States357 Posts
I really hope the NASL does well. There have been some bumps in the process so far, but I'm hoping that once the organizers better understand what kind of a monster they're creating, things will be smoother. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 30 2011 17:29 CEPEHDREI wrote: "The next thing we did was to look at fun and exciting rivals and try to pair them: I.E. IdrA vs Tyler, Zenio… and Grubby vs Moon. " WHY? thats just dumb. Hey WWE, bye Sport. The NBA is well known for anticipating and developing rivalries through offseason scheduling, often by having their best teams compete on the first day of the season and Christmas. They also incorporate fan voting for their All Star break activities. The Mixed Martial Arts community are also very good at pairing rivalries and new prospects with their title cards. Both these sports are the fastest growing in the world, but also well-respected for their integrity. Just because the NASL wants to insure their sport is dramatic and entertaining doesn't mean it will hurt the integrity of the game. | ||
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KaveX
Germany59 Posts
On March 30 2011 17:46 urashimakt wrote: I think it's possible to show discontent with a non-randomized grouping without likening them to a series scripted events. Grubby hasn't been told to take a dive. There are probably people who prefer it this way: it guarantees the fans will see match-ups they want to see. I'd agree that it's kind've a raw deal to some players, since it can stack them in groups that they're unlikely to progress out of, which could cause them to not place where they might've otherwise. Still a far cry from professional wrestling. I don't think it's about being fair to the players, but about some sort of sportive competition environment. More appropriate than WWE: "series of showmatches". For long-term success, the NASL has to make sure that the league is more than just hundreds of showmatches with a high prize-money pool. This is something many SC2 events have been lacking. Just take the World Cyber Games or the ESL Pro Series: One is clearly set up to be like the olympics, with nationality playing an important role, having qualifiers in lots of countries and having a somewhat equal distribution where no country can get more than three slots. The other is a national league with a big substructure and its winner can definitely call himself the national champion, noone would disagree. Can the winner of a tournament with 50 of the world's best players invited without any formalized selection process call himself world champion? Contrary to the winner of WCG and IEM, I doubt it. In future seasons, this will probably look different and I'm sure that the NASL people will work towards that direction. However, having "rigged" groups is something they definitely have to get rid of during this process. It's totally fine for an event that serves no other purpose than to provide a good entertainment value for the viewers, but if you're trying to create a huge brand like the NASL does, there are more things to take into consideration. For now, I can live with it, but just don't get used to it. After all, making everything formal and transparent serves the purpose to make the competition more legitimate. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
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DJ Roomba
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