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On March 30 2011 07:00 Minigun wrote:
To those negatively critizing the nasl...
Does everyone realize how big e-sports can get in the NA if this booms?
It will be huge, it's getting huge as we speak.
It's a list of 50 people. Unfortunately that means not every top player can get it.
They need to make money off it as well. So not only do they invite top players, but people the community favorites.
If there are players that don't belong, then they will be weeded out pretty fast. They may have taken your favorite players spot, but there's always next season, and if they really deserve to be there, then they will probably be able to get through using the qualifier. I'm not sure how well I would have done if they threw me in there now. I can't say I would be confident playing someone like ogsmc in a tournament. Although I would love the chance too (favorite protoss player <3)
Nasl is a business. I want to watch it grow. Am I little disappointed I didn't get in? Ofc..but will there be other chances to get in, other turnys (especially if the NASL takes off) ? Yes.
Starcraft 2 is so close to becoming huge in the NA. Instead of negatively criticizing one of the first businesses to actually try and expand E-sports in the west. Lets give it our unconditional support. Starcraft 2 can be huge, but only if the community supports it.
Buy your ticket, sit back, with some food and coke, and enjoy the show. I know I will.
Oh btw, thanks for the support to me guys, it means a lot. Quoted again because that is the statement of a true professional and athlete.  You're a baller, man. Best of luck in the qualifiers!
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On March 30 2011 08:21 NightEnD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 08:14 Kazeyonoma wrote:
this thread has made my head hurt for a long time, all this hate for players included makes my head hurt even more now. wow, normally professionals in sports take it in stride and show sportsmanlike conduct (oh check that out, SPORTSmanlike) yet from the pokebunny, avilo, blur, and now nightend complaints, it's been anything but sportsmanlike. Take a lesson from minigun, man up, and show em they were wrong, don't bitch like a little girl, it just makes you look pathetic.
The fact that NightEnd continually shows his lack of information just makes him lose more and more credibility throughout this thread. Its easy to talk when ur not involved and ur just looking , and i did everything NASL asked for besides the fact that i didnt assumed i need visa  so pls dotn say i show lack of information ... becouse ur wrong
But you and especially your manager should have known you would need a Visa...
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On March 30 2011 08:18 Coolbeans wrote:
I have a question.
If Nightend wasn't allowed in due to your supposed "visa issues" why will you happily let him in if he qualifies next season? surely the same problem will arise?
Yeah, I was interested in this as well. What if a player qualifies next season and can't make it to the offline finals?
Also, what if say one of the players already in the current invites gets into an accident and say, fractures his arm?
I'm sure it's easy enough to replace. But I think they're more concerned with getting Season 1 correct. Who knows.
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On March 30 2011 08:20 Kettchup wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 08:15 AimForTheBushes wrote:On March 30 2011 07:54 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:44 Xeris wrote:On March 30 2011 07:16 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:06 Xeris wrote:On March 30 2011 06:57 Bean54 wrote:
Xeris, you say you didnt accept NightEnD because he didn't already have a VISA. Did you even let the players know this was a requirement before or during the application process? Based on what it sounds like, you didn't. If not having a passport is a legitimate concern and is cause for disqualification you should have let NightEnD and all players know that BEFOREHAND so they could actually obtain one or fail to. Then you'd have a valid reason for disqualifying them. Sounds like you disqualified him for something that could easily have been remedied if you had let him know ahead of time. I didn't specifically tell the players, however, when I was approached by BRAT_OK's manager (from RoX), about the NASL, he actually provided me with BRAT's B1/2 VISA number that we verified. White-Ra has demonstrated his ability to get into the US before (I met him at MLG DC and Blizzcon, so I'm well aware he could get here). While it is true, I could have been clearer I guess, the ultimate burden of responsibility must be shared by both organizers and players. We are not here to hand-hold, and this is a two-way street. The fact that someone like BRAT's manager made sure to provide me that information (the contract specifically says that you need to *guarantee* your ability to be in the US for the final) in order to alleviate any concern shows that: a) they understood the implications of playing in the league, and b) they cared enough about being a part of it to go the extra mile. NightEnD didn't do this, nor did his manager. I obviously take some responsibility for not explicitly stating it, but neither him or his manager has taken any responsibility in the matter, and instead responds with harsh words to me and the league. This is unfair for us. In our internal discussions, we wanted to avoid people from countries who had VISA problems entering the US because those players are "high risk" for us (I.E. what happens if they qualify but can't come to the finals?), this is also why we only considered ONE player (BRAT_OK) from RoX, and none of their other players... the RoX manager didn't even submit applications for the other ones because he knew they didn't have and couldn't guarantee VISAS. We did research on various countries, and knew that Romania doesn't have a VISA waiver program with the US, and that it would be difficult for a Romanian to get a VISA, which is why we didn't have NightEnD on our list, and which was why he was on our backup list. So again, people should be aware that in life, there are always two parties and both hold responsibility. So u picked the 50 players and said x is not invited becouse y is not invited becouse NightEnD is not invited becouse he has no visa . How could u know that i dont have visa if u didnt even bother t to ask me ? Pls cut the crap ?? You've never demonstrated that you had one by attending an event in the US, and when we spoke, you didn't have one... I'm not going to argue with you any more. I'm sorry that I didn't specifically tell you before that you needed a VISA. I hope you will qualify for Season 2 or win the Open Tournament. yes man is my foult for not assuming somthing u already assumed NightEnd, it's a shame you didn't make it in, you're a very good player...We understand that you're upset and disappointed, but posting 3 times per page about how awful it is, and how it's all their fault is very unbecoming, and is starting to be obnoxious. A little responsibility for yourself would go a long way - the NASL was justified in not taking you for the reasons they stated. Shit happens, and if shit did happen, and your VISA was denied, they would look like idiots if you were to make the finals, but unable to actually be there.. Actually, they wouldn't look like idiots. They would look like any other tournament that's had a dropout and simply brought someone else in. Everyone is usually sad when something like that happens, but it's never resulted in animosity like this. NASL shot themselves in the foot with this issue.
But in other tournaments the whole situation normally is different, players like Brat_OK couldn't attend whole tournaments there's not that big of a loss there. In this case it would pretty much ruin the whole concept, one player crushing his way through the division stages, getting into the top 16 just to find out that he can't attend the final part of tournament and instead getting the 3rd or 4th place (or whatever place would be the next, dunno) from that division as a standin
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So Eastern Europe got left out? Not really surprised , it's America after all ).
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On March 30 2011 08:21 DizzyDrone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 08:07 Vimsey wrote:On March 30 2011 08:00 DizzyDrone wrote:On March 30 2011 07:50 Nimic wrote:
So if NightEnD failed to get in because he didn't pre-emptively prove his ability to get a visa, does that mean everyone else had to do the same. Or is it just because he's from Romania, and BratOK, a player from "one of those countries" has had some problems getting a visa in the past?
Thing is, Romania is in the European Union. There's no reason to expect that he'd have any more problems getting into the US than any other player from Europe.
I'm still quite excited about the NASL, but this and the DeMusliM thing makes me a little bit weary. Wasn't there also an issue where Jinro or Huk (one of the TL guys) said that oGs had NOT been contacted, contrary to what NASL had stated? (Not specifically oGs, but I am sure they stated Korean teams had been or would be contacted, and if oGs isn't the first team you approach I don't know what is).
You've got the potential to make something brilliant here. The cracks are starting to show, but I hope you keep it up and get it done. I'll probably get a Premium pass, or whatever you choose to call it. Please, don't respond to random posts without actually reading the full discussion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_ProgramThe Visa Waiver Program allows people from certain countries to enter the United States without a Visa. Romania is not one of those countries yet, which means NightEnd would need a Visa to enter the United States. Being in the waiver program makes it easier but outside of that countries are not treated equally. European Union country citizens will find it a lot easier to obtain a visa than a lot of others including Korea. For example i need a visa to travel to Australia from the UK however i would be shocked if I was refused one. You can still get refused entry if you lied on your boarding pass with a waiver the same as if you lie on your visa application. I was responding specifically to this part: "There's no reason to expect that he'd have any more problems getting into the US than any other player from Europe." This is simply no true. Most European players would not even need a Visa as they can enter the United States for up to 90 days due to the Visa Waiver Program. Getting a United States Visa as a Romanian citizen can still take up to 63 days.
Once again having to apply for a visa rather than being in a visa waiver program doesnt mean you are more likely to be refused it just means there is more bureaucratic, it takes longer and costs more. It does mean more things to screw up like not applying in time and things like that. From an individual point of view the same rules of entry apply. It wasnt that long ago that we had to apply for a visa from the UK.
Edit from some countries they may be more worried about illegal immigration maybe Romania might still be a concern there but I am not qualified to say.
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On March 30 2011 07:20 ChThoniC wrote:
I still see absolutely no reason why ViBE was chosen over ThisIsJimmy.
Jimmy has a longer history of SC2 success, better results in online cups (including recently), etc.
Both players have better results in online cups than a lot of plalyers invited though, and ViBE is a NA Zerg which is what they were lacking. Can't only invite Terrans.
On March 30 2011 07:26 NightEnD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 07:20 Defacer wrote:On March 30 2011 07:16 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:06 Xeris wrote:On March 30 2011 06:57 Bean54 wrote:
Xeris, you say you didnt accept NightEnD because he didn't already have a VISA. Did you even let the players know this was a requirement before or during the application process? Based on what it sounds like, you didn't. If not having a passport is a legitimate concern and is cause for disqualification you should have let NightEnD and all players know that BEFOREHAND so they could actually obtain one or fail to. Then you'd have a valid reason for disqualifying them. Sounds like you disqualified him for something that could easily have been remedied if you had let him know ahead of time. I didn't specifically tell the players, however, when I was approached by BRAT_OK's manager (from RoX), about the NASL, he actually provided me with BRAT's B1/2 VISA number that we verified. White-Ra has demonstrated his ability to get into the US before (I met him at MLG DC and Blizzcon, so I'm well aware he could get here). While it is true, I could have been clearer I guess, the ultimate burden of responsibility must be shared by both organizers and players. We are not here to hand-hold, and this is a two-way street. The fact that someone like BRAT's manager made sure to provide me that information (the contract specifically says that you need to *guarantee* your ability to be in the US for the final) in order to alleviate any concern shows that: a) they understood the implications of playing in the league, and b) they cared enough about being a part of it to go the extra mile. NightEnD didn't do this, nor did his manager. I obviously take some responsibility for not explicitly stating it, but neither him or his manager has taken any responsibility in the matter, and instead responds with harsh words to me and the league. This is unfair for us. In our internal discussions, we wanted to avoid people from countries who had VISA problems entering the US because those players are "high risk" for us (I.E. what happens if they qualify but can't come to the finals?), this is also why we only considered ONE player (BRAT_OK) from RoX, and none of their other players... the RoX manager didn't even submit applications for the other ones because he knew they didn't have and couldn't guarantee VISAS. We did research on various countries, and knew that Romania doesn't have a VISA waiver program with the US, and that it would be difficult for a Romanian to get a VISA, which is why we didn't have NightEnD on our list, and which was why he was on our backup list. So again, people should be aware that in life, there are always two parties and both hold responsibility. So u picked the 50 players and said x is not invited becouse y is not invited becouse NightEnD is not invited becouse he has no visa . How could u know that i dont have visa if u didnt even bother t to ask me ? Pls cut the crap Nightend: I don't know you or Xeris personally, but let it go. Next season, man; next season. Complaining now isn't going to get you any closer to what you want at this point. after how much i ''cryed' now mark my words i will not be invited in 2nd season or in 3 they will find an excuse like this if not a bigger one .
Doesn't matter because NASL is a one shot chance, you can only be invited into season one (another interesting decision), but s2 and s3 can only be made into via, your favorite *sarcasm*, yet ANOTHER qualifier... You've shown to be able to make your way through these and I hope to dear god you are able to do so and outright WIN season two.
On March 30 2011 07:39 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 07:32 Phaint wrote:On March 30 2011 07:29 iNcontroL wrote:On March 30 2011 07:28 Phaint wrote:On March 30 2011 07:26 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:20 Defacer wrote:On March 30 2011 07:16 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:06 Xeris wrote:On March 30 2011 06:57 Bean54 wrote:
Xeris, you say you didnt accept NightEnD because he didn't already have a VISA. Did you even let the players know this was a requirement before or during the application process? Based on what it sounds like, you didn't. If not having a passport is a legitimate concern and is cause for disqualification you should have let NightEnD and all players know that BEFOREHAND so they could actually obtain one or fail to. Then you'd have a valid reason for disqualifying them. Sounds like you disqualified him for something that could easily have been remedied if you had let him know ahead of time. I didn't specifically tell the players, however, when I was approached by BRAT_OK's manager (from RoX), about the NASL, he actually provided me with BRAT's B1/2 VISA number that we verified. White-Ra has demonstrated his ability to get into the US before (I met him at MLG DC and Blizzcon, so I'm well aware he could get here). While it is true, I could have been clearer I guess, the ultimate burden of responsibility must be shared by both organizers and players. We are not here to hand-hold, and this is a two-way street. The fact that someone like BRAT's manager made sure to provide me that information (the contract specifically says that you need to *guarantee* your ability to be in the US for the final) in order to alleviate any concern shows that: a) they understood the implications of playing in the league, and b) they cared enough about being a part of it to go the extra mile. NightEnD didn't do this, nor did his manager. I obviously take some responsibility for not explicitly stating it, but neither him or his manager has taken any responsibility in the matter, and instead responds with harsh words to me and the league. This is unfair for us. In our internal discussions, we wanted to avoid people from countries who had VISA problems entering the US because those players are "high risk" for us (I.E. what happens if they qualify but can't come to the finals?), this is also why we only considered ONE player (BRAT_OK) from RoX, and none of their other players... the RoX manager didn't even submit applications for the other ones because he knew they didn't have and couldn't guarantee VISAS. We did research on various countries, and knew that Romania doesn't have a VISA waiver program with the US, and that it would be difficult for a Romanian to get a VISA, which is why we didn't have NightEnD on our list, and which was why he was on our backup list. So again, people should be aware that in life, there are always two parties and both hold responsibility. So u picked the 50 players and said x is not invited becouse y is not invited becouse NightEnD is not invited becouse he has no visa . How could u know that i dont have visa if u didnt even bother t to ask me ? Pls cut the crap Nightend: I don't know you or Xeris personally, but let it go. Next season, man; next season. Complaining now isn't going to get you any closer to what you want at this point. after how much i ''cryed' now mark my words i will not be invited in 2nd season or in 3 they will find an excuse like this if not a bigger one . Its run by Xeris and iNControl. You bet your bottom dollar you will never see an invite (but latter seasons aren't run by invites so don't worry champ  ) No. It isn't ran by me. I've said this countless times. Also why the hell would we have a grudge against him? He is a fantastic player... obviously he is upset with not being selected for this league.. anybody who cares about this game would be (100% understandable). Why do you feel the need to try and stir a pot that doesn't exist? How'd ya get that invite then? Your achievements don't even compare to 49th least achievement earning person on the list. SooOOOOooOOO you flame randomly. I tell you that you are wrong and basing opinions on things that are wrong... and you come back with some kind of an attack on me? Did you catch the part where the NASL people said they didn't recruit based on money earnings? There were other factors... race played, region, fame and skill all played a part. I am sorry you are so against me. I will work really hard to make you look dumb for holding some sort of grudge against me. Pardon me sir while I try and play this game at the highest level! I love it when people flame me for not winning a tourney or something... you think I play this game NOT to win? I am trying harder than 99% of each person who flames me to play this game as best I can. For some, they recognize that I can and do do well (top 20 MLG in all 3 attended / various accomplishments in BW - the harder game). For others, they try and get at me with that simple fact. It's odd... but it's fine. I am 100% completely fueled by the haters/doubters. To those that support me - THANK YOU. I too am motivated to do you guys proud <3 I am sorry I give so much attention to the haters
There are always 20 other professional level players that work their ass off to show results as well, many of them are not given the opportunity either though. You have 3 top 20 finishes which shows consistency in a certain range as well, which is more than many players say yes, but the sentiment, although worded fiercely, is at least very much understandable.
On March 30 2011 07:45 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 07:32 Phaint wrote:On March 30 2011 07:29 iNcontroL wrote:On March 30 2011 07:28 Phaint wrote:On March 30 2011 07:26 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:20 Defacer wrote:On March 30 2011 07:16 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:06 Xeris wrote:On March 30 2011 06:57 Bean54 wrote:
Xeris, you say you didnt accept NightEnD because he didn't already have a VISA. Did you even let the players know this was a requirement before or during the application process? Based on what it sounds like, you didn't. If not having a passport is a legitimate concern and is cause for disqualification you should have let NightEnD and all players know that BEFOREHAND so they could actually obtain one or fail to. Then you'd have a valid reason for disqualifying them. Sounds like you disqualified him for something that could easily have been remedied if you had let him know ahead of time. I didn't specifically tell the players, however, when I was approached by BRAT_OK's manager (from RoX), about the NASL, he actually provided me with BRAT's B1/2 VISA number that we verified. White-Ra has demonstrated his ability to get into the US before (I met him at MLG DC and Blizzcon, so I'm well aware he could get here). While it is true, I could have been clearer I guess, the ultimate burden of responsibility must be shared by both organizers and players. We are not here to hand-hold, and this is a two-way street. The fact that someone like BRAT's manager made sure to provide me that information (the contract specifically says that you need to *guarantee* your ability to be in the US for the final) in order to alleviate any concern shows that: a) they understood the implications of playing in the league, and b) they cared enough about being a part of it to go the extra mile. NightEnD didn't do this, nor did his manager. I obviously take some responsibility for not explicitly stating it, but neither him or his manager has taken any responsibility in the matter, and instead responds with harsh words to me and the league. This is unfair for us. In our internal discussions, we wanted to avoid people from countries who had VISA problems entering the US because those players are "high risk" for us (I.E. what happens if they qualify but can't come to the finals?), this is also why we only considered ONE player (BRAT_OK) from RoX, and none of their other players... the RoX manager didn't even submit applications for the other ones because he knew they didn't have and couldn't guarantee VISAS. We did research on various countries, and knew that Romania doesn't have a VISA waiver program with the US, and that it would be difficult for a Romanian to get a VISA, which is why we didn't have NightEnD on our list, and which was why he was on our backup list. So again, people should be aware that in life, there are always two parties and both hold responsibility. So u picked the 50 players and said x is not invited becouse y is not invited becouse NightEnD is not invited becouse he has no visa . How could u know that i dont have visa if u didnt even bother t to ask me ? Pls cut the crap Nightend: I don't know you or Xeris personally, but let it go. Next season, man; next season. Complaining now isn't going to get you any closer to what you want at this point. after how much i ''cryed' now mark my words i will not be invited in 2nd season or in 3 they will find an excuse like this if not a bigger one . Its run by Xeris and iNControl. You bet your bottom dollar you will never see an invite (but latter seasons aren't run by invites so don't worry champ ) No. It isn't ran by me. I've said this countless times. Also why the hell would we have a grudge against him? He is a fantastic player... obviously he is upset with not being selected for this league.. anybody who cares about this game would be (100% understandable). Why do you feel the need to try and stir a pot that doesn't exist? How'd ya get that invite then? Your achievements don't even compare to 49th least achievement earning person on the list. Top 16 seed at MLG. 16 is smaller then 50 right? Just checking
That is a completely stupid argument, seeing as not every foreigner, let alone north american, let alone american, goes to MLG's lol, that said, incontrol can be argued to being in the tournament, but to say outright he is top 50 in the world because of a top 16 seed at mlg in itself is a flaw.
I'm tired of the "stop bitching, support esports" argument, esports is not something you support blindly for the sake of supporting it when an issue is in front of you, you want to support the BEST PRODUCT it can be and it starts with little things.
Stop with the lets ignore small hiccups, this will be awesome
guess what, NASL WILL BE FUCKING AMAZING, it will be absolutely incredible, but when there is at least one hiccup on EVERY SINGLE STEP that they've made since hyping it up in fucking november, then we need to reevaluate issues with management, either there are too many things that not enough people can handle (probably the case) or somebody is slacking.
My guess is that the management team is just too small and everyone is dealing with too many things at once. There is a way to fix that problem.
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I find the reasoning for denying Demu a spot to be hilariously absurd. Almost to the point that I'm wondering if this whole tournament is a massive troll attempt. I can just imagine the situation at the selection process;
"Ok, Demuslim is up. The ONLY professional player from the UK who holds one of the highest ELO rankings and prize money before his injury. He's wearing a cast in his video, looks to me like he's not capable of playing in the NASL (despite actually bothering to apply...........) so lets overlook him totally without even bothering to contact him about it."
I mean really? It doesn't even make sense from a business PoV because he's the player the majority of us actually make a special point of following, goodbye potential premium subscribers.
I'll still watch the tournament and probably purchase HD, I just had to write that somewhere because I find it the reasoning for his exclusion to be amateur and embarassing.
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On March 30 2011 08:25 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:So Eastern Europe got left out? Not really surprised , it's America after all ).
Strelok?
White-Ra?
Brat_OK?
Mana?
Don't be a cunt.
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I like the list enough, but reading the last few pages of this is a little wishy-washy for me and how much I actually like NASL.
Look, I'm sure all or most of the people organizing NASL have had jobs prior to this. FUsing my current job as an example, I work in media and if I get a request for a proposal, that request includes very specific requirements that I will be sure to fulfill before returning it to them. This is great - it's clear communication. I know what company X that's trying to work with me is looking for, and I know what I can/cannot provide to them based on this.
On the other hand, if I get an RFP and it's not very clear - I'll have some questions. Usually, this doesn't happen, and it's annoying when it does. Hopefully, I can get them answered before the deadline, but sometimes that's just not the case. It's sort of like in high school, when your English teacher assigns a paper, but doesn't make the grading criteria very clear. If you get a B, you might end up confused as to how that happened. In this case though, I (or the company I work for, anyway), potentially loses out on some money.
Anyway, I guess the above is a way for me to explain my thinking in that all I really want to see from NASL is the commitment that in the future, the application process will be made as clear as possible. For all I know, it's already quite good and just had a few kinks to work out. On the other hand, blaming players for not sending something they were never directly asked for doesn't seem like the right thing to do. Yes, players should have asked if they had any questions - but the whole situation could have been avoided by being more clear to begin with.
I'm sure there will be great games from the NASL, and I'm excited to watch players I don't get to see in the GSL. Hopefully, NASL will keep learning from it's mistakes and making changes as appropriate so that it builds a better experience for all of us.
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On March 30 2011 07:53 ImHuko wrote:
It was kind of obvious when this whole thing started that Incontrol was going to get a spot that someone else deserved. You gotta be silly to think that the guy who helps run the tournament wouldn't get a invite, no matter how good he is.
I actually think incontrol deserves a spot in the tournament. However its not based on skill, and I dont think anyone can argue with a streight face that he got into this tournament cus his more skilled then some of the people who where left out.
He is a big personality though, and I will deff watch his games to see if he can deliver, and that is really what its all about. Same goes for grubby&artosis, but the difference is that they have proven before that they are top notch RTS players.
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same resilient, i wont be buying premium ticket for this reason, we'll see next season ig! hopefully we'll still see some decent games
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On March 30 2011 08:28 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 08:25 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:So Eastern Europe got left out? Not really surprised , it's America after all ). Strelok? White-Ra? Brat_OK? Mana? Don't be a cunt.
And you don't have to stoop that low to get your point across.
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On March 30 2011 08:28 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 08:25 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:So Eastern Europe got left out? Not really surprised , it's America after all ). Strelok? White-Ra? Brat_OK? Mana? Don't be a cunt.
Poland isn't in Eastern Europe... But yeah, he's being silly.
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On March 30 2011 08:25 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:So Eastern Europe got left out? Not really surprised , it's America after all ).
Go take your retarded whining somewhere else...
Definitely wish a few people would have gotten in (Demuslim, Thorzain, Minigun, and a few others) and there are a few names that did get in that I think are rather questionable but overall looks really good, looking forward to this starting for sure.
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On March 30 2011 08:21 DizzyDrone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 08:07 Vimsey wrote:On March 30 2011 08:00 DizzyDrone wrote:On March 30 2011 07:50 Nimic wrote:
So if NightEnD failed to get in because he didn't pre-emptively prove his ability to get a visa, does that mean everyone else had to do the same. Or is it just because he's from Romania, and BratOK, a player from "one of those countries" has had some problems getting a visa in the past?
Thing is, Romania is in the European Union. There's no reason to expect that he'd have any more problems getting into the US than any other player from Europe.
I'm still quite excited about the NASL, but this and the DeMusliM thing makes me a little bit weary. Wasn't there also an issue where Jinro or Huk (one of the TL guys) said that oGs had NOT been contacted, contrary to what NASL had stated? (Not specifically oGs, but I am sure they stated Korean teams had been or would be contacted, and if oGs isn't the first team you approach I don't know what is).
You've got the potential to make something brilliant here. The cracks are starting to show, but I hope you keep it up and get it done. I'll probably get a Premium pass, or whatever you choose to call it. Please, don't respond to random posts without actually reading the full discussion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_ProgramThe Visa Waiver Program allows people from certain countries to enter the United States without a Visa. Romania is not one of those countries yet, which means NightEnd would need a Visa to enter the United States. Being in the waiver program makes it easier but outside of that countries are not treated equally. European Union country citizens will find it a lot easier to obtain a visa than a lot of others including Korea. For example i need a visa to travel to Australia from the UK however i would be shocked if I was refused one. You can still get refused entry if you lied on your boarding pass with a waiver the same as if you lie on your visa application. I was responding specifically to this part: "There's no reason to expect that he'd have any more problems getting into the US than any other player from Europe." This is simply no true. Most European players would not even need a Visa as they can enter the United States for up to 90 days due to the Visa Waiver Program. Getting a United States Visa as a Romanian citizen can still take up to 63 days.
This.
It's unfortunate that NightEnd feels slighted, but I can understand from Xeris' and NASL point of view why they would not consider him for the first season. They have a relatively tight schedule, and there is a very low chance that his VISA situation would be resolved before the start of the tournament.
Even if it was possible for NightEnd to get a VISA before the LAN Tournament, it is reasonable for the NASL not to want to bear that risk.
Imagine how much worse it would be if NightEnd was accepted, made it to the final 16, and did NOT have his VISA ready. The NASL would have invested time and effort marketing and promoting a tournament with a player that can't even participate.
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I'm still rooting for ya NightEnd! It's a pity the way things turned out with the visa and everything, but there's really nothing that can be done right now. Except for trying to qualify for next season and applying for that US visa. This is just season one, there will be many more to come!
NightEnd fighting!
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group 5 is absolutely insane. i cannot wait for this
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As many I've been keeping a close eye on the progress of the NASL. I've been sceptic before and there are still critical points being made I have to agree with. Communication and planning.
However, now that the list is complete I can only say there are only about 2, maybe 3 people I don't necessarily agree with. And I have no problem with that, actually I'm really stoked for it because it looks good overall. Love the korean presence, many big names from all over the world.
Time to get hype again.
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On March 30 2011 08:25 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 08:21 DizzyDrone wrote:On March 30 2011 08:07 Vimsey wrote:On March 30 2011 08:00 DizzyDrone wrote:On March 30 2011 07:50 Nimic wrote:
So if NightEnD failed to get in because he didn't pre-emptively prove his ability to get a visa, does that mean everyone else had to do the same. Or is it just because he's from Romania, and BratOK, a player from "one of those countries" has had some problems getting a visa in the past?
Thing is, Romania is in the European Union. There's no reason to expect that he'd have any more problems getting into the US than any other player from Europe.
I'm still quite excited about the NASL, but this and the DeMusliM thing makes me a little bit weary. Wasn't there also an issue where Jinro or Huk (one of the TL guys) said that oGs had NOT been contacted, contrary to what NASL had stated? (Not specifically oGs, but I am sure they stated Korean teams had been or would be contacted, and if oGs isn't the first team you approach I don't know what is).
You've got the potential to make something brilliant here. The cracks are starting to show, but I hope you keep it up and get it done. I'll probably get a Premium pass, or whatever you choose to call it. Please, don't respond to random posts without actually reading the full discussion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_ProgramThe Visa Waiver Program allows people from certain countries to enter the United States without a Visa. Romania is not one of those countries yet, which means NightEnd would need a Visa to enter the United States. Being in the waiver program makes it easier but outside of that countries are not treated equally. European Union country citizens will find it a lot easier to obtain a visa than a lot of others including Korea. For example i need a visa to travel to Australia from the UK however i would be shocked if I was refused one. You can still get refused entry if you lied on your boarding pass with a waiver the same as if you lie on your visa application. I was responding specifically to this part: "There's no reason to expect that he'd have any more problems getting into the US than any other player from Europe." This is simply no true. Most European players would not even need a Visa as they can enter the United States for up to 90 days due to the Visa Waiver Program. Getting a United States Visa as a Romanian citizen can still take up to 63 days. Once again having to apply for a visa rather than being in a visa waiver program doesnt mean you are more likely to be refused it just means there is more bureaucratic, it takes longer and costs more. It does mean more things to screw up like not applying in time and things like that. From an individual point of view the same rules of entry apply. It wasnt that long ago that we had to apply for a visa from the UK. Edit from some countries they may be more worried about illegal immigration maybe Romania might still be a concern there but I am not qualified to say.
I don't understand your point. I am pointing out that the Visa Waiver Program makes it easier for citizens from some countries to enter the United States. You are saying i'm wrong except for the fact that it's less bureaucratic, takes less time and takes less money? Wouldn't you agree that that means getting into the United States as a citizen of one of the countries in the Visa Waiver Program is easier?
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