[NASL] Players (final) - Page 185

Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied.

Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't.

opaque

Russian Federation89 Posts

March 29 2011 23:15 GMT

#3681

The amount of idiocy in this thread is unbelievable.

Loving the player list, this is going to be awesome.

Tzarr

Germany48 Posts

March 29 2011 23:16 GMT

#3682

On March 30 2011 08:12 Defacer wrote:
GAAAAAAWWWWD so much whining on this thread.

Have you people even looked at the players on that list? That's a pretty fucking exciting tournament right there. I even like the Division format.

No, it's not perfect, but its the first god damn season. There will opportunities in the future for people that do deserve to play in the league to qualify. And I'm sure Xeris and everyone involved will become better and better at communicating the terms of this opportunities.

People that are bitching and moaning about InControl being in the tournament DON'T HAVE A FUCKING LEG TO STAND ON. Your pettiness is so transparent it's laughable.

Yes, I feel sorry for NightEnd, but there is a long, long list of Koreans and Europeans that deserve to be on this list as well. Hell, maybe NASL should just put the entire fucking tournament on hold so that they can work around NightEnd's, Huk's and Jinro's schedule and needs.

I'm sorry for being so annoyed, but the sense of entitlement among some the posters here is ridiculous. These guys have put together an amazing tournament. If it's not good enough for you, fuck off and start your own.

Thank you, saved me a lot of time, couldn't write it better

Baby_Seal

United States360 Posts

March 29 2011 23:16 GMT

#3683

I recall Xeris mentioning that NASL would be releasing their new website when the player list was complete. Perhaps I just recalled wrong, but is there a new website for the NASL, or is it still a work in progress?

Solstafir

England32 Posts

March 29 2011 23:16 GMT

#3684

Awesome this tournament is stacked. Artosis has a tough group...I hope he can get some good results though.
Disappointed DIMAGA didn't manage to apply correctly etc (Yes I did read the OP....), hopefully see him in future seasons!
Looking forward to the start......

shell

Portugal2722 Posts

March 29 2011 23:17 GMT

#3685

Am i the only guy that accept and understand the reasons and choices that were made to choose the 50 players?

Everyone that's missing is because they didn't apply or didn't do it on time and a few others that were left out is because of race balance and other minor things.. we have a legit 50 player league, several weeks of good games between 50 of the best SC2 players of the world.

I will buy the VODS because i think it's worth it, great work guys!

incontrolisabear

Afghanistan1 Post

March 29 2011 23:17 GMT

#3686

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FliedLice

Germany7494 Posts

March 29 2011 23:17 GMT

#3687

On March 30 2011 08:14 Vimsey wrote:

Show nested quote +

On March 30 2011 08:11 FliedLice wrote:

On March 30 2011 08:05 NightEnD wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:58 Chicane wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:54 NightEnD wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:44 Xeris wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:16 NightEnD wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:06 Xeris wrote:

On March 30 2011 06:57 Bean54 wrote:
Xeris, you say you didnt accept NightEnD because he didn't already have a VISA. Did you even let the players know this was a requirement before or during the application process? Based on what it sounds like, you didn't. If not having a passport is a legitimate concern and is cause for disqualification you should have let NightEnD and all players know that BEFOREHAND so they could actually obtain one or fail to. Then you'd have a valid reason for disqualifying them. Sounds like you disqualified him for something that could easily have been remedied if you had let him know ahead of time.

I didn't specifically tell the players, however, when I was approached by BRAT_OK's manager (from RoX), about the NASL, he actually provided me with BRAT's B1/2 VISA number that we verified. White-Ra has demonstrated his ability to get into the US before (I met him at MLG DC and Blizzcon, so I'm well aware he could get here). While it is true, I could have been clearer I guess, the ultimate burden of responsibility must be shared by both organizers and players. We are not here to hand-hold, and this is a two-way street.

The fact that someone like BRAT's manager made sure to provide me that information (the contract specifically says that you need to *guarantee* your ability to be in the US for the final) in order to alleviate any concern shows that: a) they understood the implications of playing in the league, and b) they cared enough about being a part of it to go the extra mile. NightEnD didn't do this, nor did his manager.

I obviously take some responsibility for not explicitly stating it, but neither him or his manager has taken any responsibility in the matter, and instead responds with harsh words to me and the league. This is unfair for us. In our internal discussions, we wanted to avoid people from countries who had VISA problems entering the US because those players are "high risk" for us (I.E. what happens if they qualify but can't come to the finals?), this is also why we only considered ONE player (BRAT_OK) from RoX, and none of their other players... the RoX manager didn't even submit applications for the other ones because he knew they didn't have and couldn't guarantee VISAS.

We did research on various countries, and knew that Romania doesn't have a VISA waiver program with the US, and that it would be difficult for a Romanian to get a VISA, which is why we didn't have NightEnD on our list, and which was why he was on our backup list.

So again, people should be aware that in life, there are always two parties and both hold responsibility.

So u picked the 50 players and said x is not invited becouse y is not invited becouse NightEnD is not invited becouse he has no visa . How could u know that i dont have visa if u didnt even bother t to ask me ? Pls cut the crap

?? You've never demonstrated that you had one by attending an event in the US, and when we spoke, you didn't have one... I'm not going to argue with you any more. I'm sorry that I didn't specifically tell you before that you needed a VISA. I hope you will qualify for Season 2 or win the Open Tournament.

yes man is my foult for not assuming somthing u already assumed

I am not saying the NASL handled the situation well, or that you didn't get screwed over... but it seems like you are taking absolutely no responsibility for yourself.

Did you know that you would have to travel to the US for this tournament if you made it far? Yes.

Does traveling to the US require a VISA? Yes.

Would it have been a good idea for you or your management to ask about it (since you knew you would need it if you were to play well)? Yes.

Once again, I am not saying they handled it well... but come on. You guys could have also taken the initiative to ask some questions about the league.

do u really think the koreans for example proved nasl they can take visa ? or the europeans?

neither koreans, nor most of the europeans actually need a visa to go to the US for a week or something.

i think in the case of this league it only came down to russia (bratok), ukraine (whitera), romania (you) and taiwan (sen) being "critical" from what i can see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program

bratok has made sure he could go, whitera has proven it in the past and sen is lucky to have xeris as manager(?) of team fnatic in that case and just as whitera attended a MLG even last year

Actually Poland is in the same situation as Romania at the moment. I assume you checked with Mana they are both "Road Map" countries and in the EU.

hmmm... right, forgot about mana being in.. already was happy when i figured out sen might be one of the candidates ahving problems

BluePabs

United States317 Posts

March 29 2011 23:18 GMT

#3688

This is exactly how I feel...well said.

Coolbeans

Ireland162 Posts

March 29 2011 23:18 GMT

#3689

I have a question.

If Nightend wasn't allowed in due to your supposed "visa issues" why will you happily let him in if he qualifies next season? surely the same problem will arise?

Baby_Seal

United States360 Posts

March 29 2011 23:18 GMT

#3690

On March 30 2011 08:16 Solstafir wrote:
Awesome this tournament is stacked. Artosis has a tough group...I hope he can get some good results though.
Disappointed DIMAGA didn't manage to apply correctly etc (Yes I did read the OP....), hopefully see him in future seasons!
Looking forward to the start......

Yea, it's a shame about Dimaga and the late application.

GSL WC spoiler below.

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He was an absolute hero last night. He's definitely got what it takes to win the whole thing.

Vimsey

United Kingdom2235 Posts

March 29 2011 23:18 GMT

#3691

On March 30 2011 08:15 Kenn wrote:

Why would someone who does not need a VISA to visit the US be required to prove they can get one?

You can still be refused entry even in a visa waiver program. If for example you have a criminal record for drug possession for example. All that the waiver does is streamline the application to the day you fly you still answer all the same questions and are subject to the same rules of entry minus the fee.

FliedLice

Germany7494 Posts

March 29 2011 23:19 GMT

#3692

On March 30 2011 08:18 Coolbeans wrote:
I have a question.

If Nightend wasn't allowed in due to your supposed "visa issues" why will you happily let him in if he qualifies next season? surely the same problem will arise?

because he now knows about it and give them prove of his visa before?

Mastermind

Canada7096 Posts

March 29 2011 23:19 GMT

#3693

On March 30 2011 08:15 opaque wrote:
The amount of idiocy in this thread is unbelievable.

Loving the player list, this is going to be awesome.

Ya, I fully agree with you. The players list is great and I am really excited for this tournament.

Cheeznuklz

60 Posts

March 29 2011 23:19 GMT

#3694

Much thanks for the explanations Xeris.

And thanks to Minigun for be such a badass Vatican warlock assassin. I don't know why you guys are worried about this guy getting into the NASL, he has improved so rapidly as of late, he's going to dominate the open tourney.

Kettchup

United States1911 Posts

March 29 2011 23:20 GMT

#3695

On March 30 2011 08:15 AimForTheBushes wrote:

Show nested quote +

On March 30 2011 07:54 NightEnD wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:44 Xeris wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:16 NightEnD wrote:

On March 30 2011 07:06 Xeris wrote:

yes man is my foult for not assuming somthing u already assumed

NightEnd, it's a shame you didn't make it in, you're a very good player...We understand that you're upset and disappointed, but posting 3 times per page about how awful it is, and how it's all their fault is very unbecoming, and is starting to be obnoxious. A little responsibility for yourself would go a long way - the NASL was justified in not taking you for the reasons they stated. Shit happens, and if shit did happen, and your VISA was denied, they would look like idiots if you were to make the finals, but unable to actually be there..

Actually, they wouldn't look like idiots. They would look like any other tournament that's had a dropout and simply brought someone else in. Everyone is usually sad when something like that happens, but it's never resulted in animosity like this. NASL shot themselves in the foot with this issue.

NightEnD

Romania107 Posts

March 29 2011 23:21 GMT

#3696

On March 30 2011 08:14 Kazeyonoma wrote:
this thread has made my head hurt for a long time, all this hate for players included makes my head hurt even more now. wow, normally professionals in sports take it in stride and show sportsmanlike conduct (oh check that out, SPORTSmanlike) yet from the pokebunny, avilo, blur, and now nightend complaints, it's been anything but sportsmanlike. Take a lesson from minigun, man up, and show em they were wrong, don't bitch like a little girl, it just makes you look pathetic.

The fact that NightEnd continually shows his lack of information just makes him lose more and more credibility throughout this thread.

Its easy to talk when ur not involved and ur just looking , and i did everything NASL asked for besides the fact that i didnt assumed i need visa

so pls dotn say i show lack of information ... and ye i didnt know about kr dont need visa my bad ..

DizzyDrone

Netherlands629 Posts

March 29 2011 23:21 GMT

#3697

On March 30 2011 08:07 Vimsey wrote:

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Being in the waiver program makes it easier but outside of that countries are not treated equally. European Union country citizens will find it a lot easier to obtain a visa than a lot of others including Korea. For example i need a visa to travel to Australia from the UK however i would be shocked if I was refused one.

You can still get refused entry if you lied on your boarding pass with a waiver the same as if you lie on your visa application.

I was responding specifically to this part:
"There's no reason to expect that he'd have any more problems getting into the US than any other player from Europe."

This is simply no true. Most European players would not even need a Visa as they can enter the United States for up to 90 days due to the Visa Waiver Program. Getting a United States Visa as a Romanian citizen can still take up to 63 days.

AimForTheBushes

United States1760 Posts

March 29 2011 23:21 GMT

#3698

On March 30 2011 08:02 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote:
I suspect that some poor sod is gonna go 0-9 in this league.

I'm hoping that some poor sod(s) go 0-9 in this league.. XD

aztrorisk

United States896 Posts

March 29 2011 23:22 GMT

#3699

I am so psyched for this event. Screw the SAT

Uniden

United Kingdom26 Posts

March 29 2011 23:22 GMT

#3700

So much whining, I bet 95% of people dont care who the 50 are anyway so long as we get some sc2 action going on outside of korea!

I will be buying a season ticket as soon as they are available, anyone who doesnt is a flaming hypocrite for not supporting the scene they are so quick to criticise.

ARTOSIS HWAITING!

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