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On March 30 2011 07:40 TheHova wrote:
I dunno, i see a lot of people in here supporting Minigun, not so many supporting iNcontroL. So it seems weird to say Minigun has less fans than iNcontroL. They both get plenty of viewers when they stream.
There are so...many....things...wrong with this argument.
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I really like how NASL went so far to explain carefully why they chose each player. It is however also a really dangerous route they've taken. If you are going to completely open you are always going to get whining for what 'mistakes' you may have made, Nightend and Demuslim may have been treated a little unfair but making cuts will always be unfair if you do it on vague criteria as popularity.
I think they should have just been a little more vague about why they left some people out to save themselves the problem of being wrong on some occasions. If nightend was really that good he would have been in it but as it is he is not outstanding and he happens to play the race where the most cuts had to be made apparently.
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On March 30 2011 07:28 Phaint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 07:26 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:20 Defacer wrote:On March 30 2011 07:16 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:06 Xeris wrote:On March 30 2011 06:57 Bean54 wrote:
Xeris, you say you didnt accept NightEnD because he didn't already have a VISA. Did you even let the players know this was a requirement before or during the application process? Based on what it sounds like, you didn't. If not having a passport is a legitimate concern and is cause for disqualification you should have let NightEnD and all players know that BEFOREHAND so they could actually obtain one or fail to. Then you'd have a valid reason for disqualifying them. Sounds like you disqualified him for something that could easily have been remedied if you had let him know ahead of time. I didn't specifically tell the players, however, when I was approached by BRAT_OK's manager (from RoX), about the NASL, he actually provided me with BRAT's B1/2 VISA number that we verified. White-Ra has demonstrated his ability to get into the US before (I met him at MLG DC and Blizzcon, so I'm well aware he could get here). While it is true, I could have been clearer I guess, the ultimate burden of responsibility must be shared by both organizers and players. We are not here to hand-hold, and this is a two-way street. The fact that someone like BRAT's manager made sure to provide me that information (the contract specifically says that you need to *guarantee* your ability to be in the US for the final) in order to alleviate any concern shows that: a) they understood the implications of playing in the league, and b) they cared enough about being a part of it to go the extra mile. NightEnD didn't do this, nor did his manager. I obviously take some responsibility for not explicitly stating it, but neither him or his manager has taken any responsibility in the matter, and instead responds with harsh words to me and the league. This is unfair for us. In our internal discussions, we wanted to avoid people from countries who had VISA problems entering the US because those players are "high risk" for us (I.E. what happens if they qualify but can't come to the finals?), this is also why we only considered ONE player (BRAT_OK) from RoX, and none of their other players... the RoX manager didn't even submit applications for the other ones because he knew they didn't have and couldn't guarantee VISAS. We did research on various countries, and knew that Romania doesn't have a VISA waiver program with the US, and that it would be difficult for a Romanian to get a VISA, which is why we didn't have NightEnD on our list, and which was why he was on our backup list. So again, people should be aware that in life, there are always two parties and both hold responsibility. So u picked the 50 players and said x is not invited becouse y is not invited becouse NightEnD is not invited becouse he has no visa . How could u know that i dont have visa if u didnt even bother t to ask me ? Pls cut the crap Nightend: I don't know you or Xeris personally, but let it go. Next season, man; next season. Complaining now isn't going to get you any closer to what you want at this point. after how much i ''cryed' now mark my words i will not be invited in 2nd season or in 3 they will find an excuse like this if not a bigger one . Its run by Xeris and iNControl. You bet your bottom dollar you will never see an invite
What is this... why are you posting if you don't even... these kinds of posts should honestly be bannable. Your information is wrong yet you state it like fact even though you clearly have no clue... and then you try to stir up controversy between players? Really? This is what TL.net is for? I'm not sure why I am reading this thread anymore...
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On March 30 2011 07:16 NightEnD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 07:06 Xeris wrote:On March 30 2011 06:57 Bean54 wrote:
Xeris, you say you didnt accept NightEnD because he didn't already have a VISA. Did you even let the players know this was a requirement before or during the application process? Based on what it sounds like, you didn't. If not having a passport is a legitimate concern and is cause for disqualification you should have let NightEnD and all players know that BEFOREHAND so they could actually obtain one or fail to. Then you'd have a valid reason for disqualifying them. Sounds like you disqualified him for something that could easily have been remedied if you had let him know ahead of time. I didn't specifically tell the players, however, when I was approached by BRAT_OK's manager (from RoX), about the NASL, he actually provided me with BRAT's B1/2 VISA number that we verified. White-Ra has demonstrated his ability to get into the US before (I met him at MLG DC and Blizzcon, so I'm well aware he could get here). While it is true, I could have been clearer I guess, the ultimate burden of responsibility must be shared by both organizers and players. We are not here to hand-hold, and this is a two-way street. The fact that someone like BRAT's manager made sure to provide me that information (the contract specifically says that you need to *guarantee* your ability to be in the US for the final) in order to alleviate any concern shows that: a) they understood the implications of playing in the league, and b) they cared enough about being a part of it to go the extra mile. NightEnD didn't do this, nor did his manager. I obviously take some responsibility for not explicitly stating it, but neither him or his manager has taken any responsibility in the matter, and instead responds with harsh words to me and the league. This is unfair for us. In our internal discussions, we wanted to avoid people from countries who had VISA problems entering the US because those players are "high risk" for us (I.E. what happens if they qualify but can't come to the finals?), this is also why we only considered ONE player (BRAT_OK) from RoX, and none of their other players... the RoX manager didn't even submit applications for the other ones because he knew they didn't have and couldn't guarantee VISAS. We did research on various countries, and knew that Romania doesn't have a VISA waiver program with the US, and that it would be difficult for a Romanian to get a VISA, which is why we didn't have NightEnD on our list, and which was why he was on our backup list. So again, people should be aware that in life, there are always two parties and both hold responsibility. So u picked the 50 players and said x is not invited becouse y is not invited becouse NightEnD is not invited becouse he has no visa . How could u know that i dont have visa if u didnt even bother t to ask me ? Pls cut the crap
?? You've never demonstrated that you had one by attending an event in the US, and when we spoke, you didn't have one... I'm not going to argue with you any more. I'm sorry that I didn't specifically tell you before that you needed a VISA. I hope you will qualify for Season 2 or win the Open Tournament.
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On March 30 2011 07:32 Phaint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 07:29 iNcontroL wrote:On March 30 2011 07:28 Phaint wrote:On March 30 2011 07:26 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:20 Defacer wrote:On March 30 2011 07:16 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:06 Xeris wrote:On March 30 2011 06:57 Bean54 wrote:
Xeris, you say you didnt accept NightEnD because he didn't already have a VISA. Did you even let the players know this was a requirement before or during the application process? Based on what it sounds like, you didn't. If not having a passport is a legitimate concern and is cause for disqualification you should have let NightEnD and all players know that BEFOREHAND so they could actually obtain one or fail to. Then you'd have a valid reason for disqualifying them. Sounds like you disqualified him for something that could easily have been remedied if you had let him know ahead of time. I didn't specifically tell the players, however, when I was approached by BRAT_OK's manager (from RoX), about the NASL, he actually provided me with BRAT's B1/2 VISA number that we verified. White-Ra has demonstrated his ability to get into the US before (I met him at MLG DC and Blizzcon, so I'm well aware he could get here). While it is true, I could have been clearer I guess, the ultimate burden of responsibility must be shared by both organizers and players. We are not here to hand-hold, and this is a two-way street. The fact that someone like BRAT's manager made sure to provide me that information (the contract specifically says that you need to *guarantee* your ability to be in the US for the final) in order to alleviate any concern shows that: a) they understood the implications of playing in the league, and b) they cared enough about being a part of it to go the extra mile. NightEnD didn't do this, nor did his manager. I obviously take some responsibility for not explicitly stating it, but neither him or his manager has taken any responsibility in the matter, and instead responds with harsh words to me and the league. This is unfair for us. In our internal discussions, we wanted to avoid people from countries who had VISA problems entering the US because those players are "high risk" for us (I.E. what happens if they qualify but can't come to the finals?), this is also why we only considered ONE player (BRAT_OK) from RoX, and none of their other players... the RoX manager didn't even submit applications for the other ones because he knew they didn't have and couldn't guarantee VISAS. We did research on various countries, and knew that Romania doesn't have a VISA waiver program with the US, and that it would be difficult for a Romanian to get a VISA, which is why we didn't have NightEnD on our list, and which was why he was on our backup list. So again, people should be aware that in life, there are always two parties and both hold responsibility. So u picked the 50 players and said x is not invited becouse y is not invited becouse NightEnD is not invited becouse he has no visa . How could u know that i dont have visa if u didnt even bother t to ask me ? Pls cut the crap Nightend: I don't know you or Xeris personally, but let it go. Next season, man; next season. Complaining now isn't going to get you any closer to what you want at this point. after how much i ''cryed' now mark my words i will not be invited in 2nd season or in 3 they will find an excuse like this if not a bigger one . Its run by Xeris and iNControl. You bet your bottom dollar you will never see an invite (but latter seasons aren't run by invites so don't worry champ  ) No. It isn't ran by me. I've said this countless times. Also why the hell would we have a grudge against him? He is a fantastic player... obviously he is upset with not being selected for this league.. anybody who cares about this game would be (100% understandable). Why do you feel the need to try and stir a pot that doesn't exist? How'd ya get that invite then? Your achievements don't even compare to 49th least achievement earning person on the list.
Top 16 seed at MLG. 16 is smaller then 50 right? Just checking
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On March 30 2011 07:15 Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 07:09 Bean54 wrote:On March 30 2011 07:00 Minigun wrote:
To those negatively critizing the nasl...
Does everyone realize how big e-sports can get in the NA if this booms?
It will be huge, it's getting huge as we speak.
It's a list of 50 people. Unfortunately that means not every top player can get it.
They need to make money off it as well. So not only do they invite top players, but people the community favorites.
If there are players that don't belong, then they will be weeded out pretty fast. They may have taken your favorite players spot, but there's always next season, and if they really deserve to be there, then they will probably be able to get through using the qualifier. I'm not sure how well I would have done if they through me in there now. I can't say I would be confident playing someone like ogsmc in a tournament. Although I would love the chance too (favorite protoss player <3)
Nasl is a business. I want to watch it grow. Am I little disappointed I didn't get in? Ofc..but will there be other chances to get in, other turnys (especially if the NASL takes off) ? Yes.
Starcraft 2 is so close to becoming huge in the NA. Instead of negatively criticizing one of the first businesses to actually try and expand E-sports in the west. Lets give it our unconditional support. Starcraft 2 can be huge, but only if the community supports it.
We all want it to succeed. However, if the business wants support from the community, it should do its best to represent and treat the community fairly as well. People have valid criticisms of how their applications were handled that should be remedied rather than glanced over just because the business is hosting the tournament of a game we all love. Just because we want a e-sports to be big doesn't mean we turn a blind eye and give the NASL or any other tournament carte blanche to pick favorites and disregard hard-working and deserving players. The NASL depend on our viewership and the viewers should be heard (support AND criticism). There will be problems and people felt like they were "wronged" in every tournament. It's just unavoidable for the most part. (I'm not saying anyone was or wasn't, staying out of that because it's not really my business.) I think you are missing how extremely hard it would be for someone to pick 50 top players, out of koreans, eu, and na. I would pull my hair out. It's IMPOSSIBLE to not leave people out. I can think of a few iffy players on that list, but im keeping my opinion out of it. It doesn't matter if there are a few iffy players. NASL are one of the first businesses to put themselves out there, and try and do something amazing for e-sports and starcraft 2. I'm not going to not support them because someone I think was deserving didn't get in. There's always the next tournament. A perfect list would look 100% different for everyone. Did people who deserved to get in not get in? Of course, that would have happened no matter who made the list. whether it was me, you, or someone who was completely unbiased.
Well see, it is your business because YOU were overlooked for as you call them, "iffy players." And that characterization, makes your opinion rather evident that you believe there are unqualified players or people that don't deserve to be there. AND YES IT DOES MATTER because legitimately good players LIKE YOURSELF are excluded and that matters to the viewers.
I understand your desire to get in future tournaments and thus the incentive to avoid confrontation with the NASL but you should let others speak and stop defending the NASL's choices when you should have been on that list.
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People will always have their doubts when it comes to making a list, but I feel NASL had a difficult job and they put together a quality list of players to compete and I can't wait for it to start. They done good!
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The way I look at it if absolutely everyone you wanted was in you wouldn't have anyone to cheer for in the open tournament. Not to mention how awesome it would be if one of your favorite snubs (Cough Minigun Cough) qualifies for season 2 and proves all doubters wrong.
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Aw man, I feel SO terrible for Nightend. I really hope he is in next season (and I am sure he will be). Seems like a really bad miscommunication.
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Stop it dude there is no contract originally. The "rules" stated that you had to be in the US if you made it a certian distance, the NASL runners, who are obviously quite busy, didn't even bother to go out of THEIR way to contact players saying please show us proof of visa, so decision makers, which I presume to be Xeris, OCsurfer, among others, made the ASSUMPTION to leave out a top level player because they didnt' come to him, becuase BRAT_OK did (even though we KNOW that in the past BRAT OK has had extreme issues with Visa's, so it was obvious to HIM to show the NASL, even though it is less obvious for a player like Thorzain or Nightend who both don't run into visa issues and would assume that it is knowledge that they can get them).
I'm not buying the excuse that it is a two way street and that we should blame Praetoriani over the NASL. The NASL should have either EXPLICITLY explained, once they received brat ok's visa, that all other foreigners should do the same, instead they made the assumption that they couldn't and left players out because it was the less time-consuming thing to do as it is pretty evident they ARE busy running a star league as a small organization of a few people.
That's not what Xeris' post seems to indicate. In fact, if you re-read it, it seems to indicate that the contract that was sent out (the one that had to be "signed") explicitly said they have to guarantee proof of their ability to enter the US (from this one can assume getting a visa...). I agree, it probably should have been EXPLICITLY stated to each foreigner, Xeris is not wrong in saying it's a two way street.
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really really glad to see July and BoxeR in there, this league will be entertaining to watch people just need to calm down and let it start :D
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On March 30 2011 07:44 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 07:33 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:29 iNcontroL wrote:On March 30 2011 07:28 Phaint wrote:On March 30 2011 07:26 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:20 Defacer wrote:On March 30 2011 07:16 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:06 Xeris wrote:On March 30 2011 06:57 Bean54 wrote:
Xeris, you say you didnt accept NightEnD because he didn't already have a VISA. Did you even let the players know this was a requirement before or during the application process? Based on what it sounds like, you didn't. If not having a passport is a legitimate concern and is cause for disqualification you should have let NightEnD and all players know that BEFOREHAND so they could actually obtain one or fail to. Then you'd have a valid reason for disqualifying them. Sounds like you disqualified him for something that could easily have been remedied if you had let him know ahead of time. I didn't specifically tell the players, however, when I was approached by BRAT_OK's manager (from RoX), about the NASL, he actually provided me with BRAT's B1/2 VISA number that we verified. White-Ra has demonstrated his ability to get into the US before (I met him at MLG DC and Blizzcon, so I'm well aware he could get here). While it is true, I could have been clearer I guess, the ultimate burden of responsibility must be shared by both organizers and players. We are not here to hand-hold, and this is a two-way street. The fact that someone like BRAT's manager made sure to provide me that information (the contract specifically says that you need to *guarantee* your ability to be in the US for the final) in order to alleviate any concern shows that: a) they understood the implications of playing in the league, and b) they cared enough about being a part of it to go the extra mile. NightEnD didn't do this, nor did his manager. I obviously take some responsibility for not explicitly stating it, but neither him or his manager has taken any responsibility in the matter, and instead responds with harsh words to me and the league. This is unfair for us. In our internal discussions, we wanted to avoid people from countries who had VISA problems entering the US because those players are "high risk" for us (I.E. what happens if they qualify but can't come to the finals?), this is also why we only considered ONE player (BRAT_OK) from RoX, and none of their other players... the RoX manager didn't even submit applications for the other ones because he knew they didn't have and couldn't guarantee VISAS. We did research on various countries, and knew that Romania doesn't have a VISA waiver program with the US, and that it would be difficult for a Romanian to get a VISA, which is why we didn't have NightEnD on our list, and which was why he was on our backup list. So again, people should be aware that in life, there are always two parties and both hold responsibility. So u picked the 50 players and said x is not invited becouse y is not invited becouse NightEnD is not invited becouse he has no visa . How could u know that i dont have visa if u didnt even bother t to ask me ? Pls cut the crap Nightend: I don't know you or Xeris personally, but let it go. Next season, man; next season. Complaining now isn't going to get you any closer to what you want at this point. after how much i ''cryed' now mark my words i will not be invited in 2nd season or in 3 they will find an excuse like this if not a bigger one . Its run by Xeris and iNControl. You bet your bottom dollar you will never see an invite (but latter seasons aren't run by invites so don't worry champ ) No. It isn't ran by me. I've said this countless times. Also why the hell would we have a grudge against him? He is a fantastic player... obviously he is upset with not being selected for this league.. anybody who cares about this game would be (100% understandable). Why do you feel the need to try and stir a pot that doesn't exist? You had to invited grubby somehow or he just got lucky i suppose ? becouse i didnt tought i have to prove u i can take a visa :D Not sure what your point is? Grubby travels on a regular basis. He also is one of the most famous players in all of RTS... Again I did not select the players. But I don't understand the "I didn't get picked so now I will go down the list and talk smack about each pick" mentality. There is a reason Minigun is a fucking champion. I truly am sorry you are not selected for this tourney. It sucks. No way to fluff it really. GL in the open / season 2 qualifier. You are a great player and I hope you make it!
If i understand corectly ur picking sistem is that if i was invited grubby would not be or im wrong ? and i didnt smack any pick dont warry
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On March 30 2011 07:43 xaneda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 07:39 iNcontroL wrote:On March 30 2011 07:32 Phaint wrote:On March 30 2011 07:29 iNcontroL wrote:On March 30 2011 07:28 Phaint wrote:On March 30 2011 07:26 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:20 Defacer wrote:On March 30 2011 07:16 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:06 Xeris wrote:On March 30 2011 06:57 Bean54 wrote:
Xeris, you say you didnt accept NightEnD because he didn't already have a VISA. Did you even let the players know this was a requirement before or during the application process? Based on what it sounds like, you didn't. If not having a passport is a legitimate concern and is cause for disqualification you should have let NightEnD and all players know that BEFOREHAND so they could actually obtain one or fail to. Then you'd have a valid reason for disqualifying them. Sounds like you disqualified him for something that could easily have been remedied if you had let him know ahead of time. I didn't specifically tell the players, however, when I was approached by BRAT_OK's manager (from RoX), about the NASL, he actually provided me with BRAT's B1/2 VISA number that we verified. White-Ra has demonstrated his ability to get into the US before (I met him at MLG DC and Blizzcon, so I'm well aware he could get here). While it is true, I could have been clearer I guess, the ultimate burden of responsibility must be shared by both organizers and players. We are not here to hand-hold, and this is a two-way street. The fact that someone like BRAT's manager made sure to provide me that information (the contract specifically says that you need to *guarantee* your ability to be in the US for the final) in order to alleviate any concern shows that: a) they understood the implications of playing in the league, and b) they cared enough about being a part of it to go the extra mile. NightEnD didn't do this, nor did his manager. I obviously take some responsibility for not explicitly stating it, but neither him or his manager has taken any responsibility in the matter, and instead responds with harsh words to me and the league. This is unfair for us. In our internal discussions, we wanted to avoid people from countries who had VISA problems entering the US because those players are "high risk" for us (I.E. what happens if they qualify but can't come to the finals?), this is also why we only considered ONE player (BRAT_OK) from RoX, and none of their other players... the RoX manager didn't even submit applications for the other ones because he knew they didn't have and couldn't guarantee VISAS. We did research on various countries, and knew that Romania doesn't have a VISA waiver program with the US, and that it would be difficult for a Romanian to get a VISA, which is why we didn't have NightEnD on our list, and which was why he was on our backup list. So again, people should be aware that in life, there are always two parties and both hold responsibility. So u picked the 50 players and said x is not invited becouse y is not invited becouse NightEnD is not invited becouse he has no visa . How could u know that i dont have visa if u didnt even bother t to ask me ? Pls cut the crap Nightend: I don't know you or Xeris personally, but let it go. Next season, man; next season. Complaining now isn't going to get you any closer to what you want at this point. after how much i ''cryed' now mark my words i will not be invited in 2nd season or in 3 they will find an excuse like this if not a bigger one . Its run by Xeris and iNControl. You bet your bottom dollar you will never see an invite (but latter seasons aren't run by invites so don't worry champ ) No. It isn't ran by me. I've said this countless times. Also why the hell would we have a grudge against him? He is a fantastic player... obviously he is upset with not being selected for this league.. anybody who cares about this game would be (100% understandable). Why do you feel the need to try and stir a pot that doesn't exist? How'd ya get that invite then? Your achievements don't even compare to 49th least achievement earning person on the list. SooOOOOooOOO you flame randomly. I tell you that you are wrong and basing opinions on things that are wrong... and you come back with some kind of an attack on me? Did you catch the part where the NASL people said they didn't recruit based on money earnings? There were other factors... race played, region, fame and skill all played a part. I am sorry you are so against me. I will work really hard to make you look dumb for holding some sort of grudge against me. Pardon me sir while I try and play this game at the highest level! I love it when people flame me for not winning a tourney or something... you think I play this game NOT to win? I am trying harder than 99% of each person who flames me to play this game as best I can. For some, they recognize that I can and do do well (top 20 MLG in all 3 attended / various accomplishments in BW - the harder game). For others, they try and get at me with that simple fact. It's odd... but it's fine. I am 100% completely fueled by the haters/doubters. To those that support me - THANK YOU. I too am motivated to do you guys proud <3 I am sorry I give so much attention to the haters  Yeah okay incontrol, your accomplishments don't mean much in BW considering no one even cared about the foreign scene, apart from like 6-8 players everyone was awful, not to mention you win all your games with 2 base lurker all ins and 3 hatch speedling and 5pools  Anyway at least I can take satisfaction in the fact that "trying your hardest" is never gonna be enough in SC2. Stick to coaching.
In one post he not only slanders me (who cares) but he actually slanders EVERY PLAYER WHO PLAYED BW... lol
Alright dude... this happens like 2-3 times a day but I try and get up on my soap box and preach reason but then I hear something like this and I am like "Ah! When Day9/Wheat/Artosis/Tasteless tell me to 100% not post/read TL any more because it will always devolve into this I NEED to listen."
I am pigheaded and stubborn but I swear guys... how the FUCK do you call every bw player bad from 2007 and onward with a straight face?
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Why are people flaming incontrol so much?
People always like to pick a target.
NASL is all about creating the most exciting league around. Incontrol is one of the biggest personalities around and therefore all his games will create excitement.
It's like if Day9 wanted to play, he would be instantly added even though he hasn't played professionally for years.
SlayersBoxer is not performing at the moment. Does that mean he shouldn't be invited either?
Why do you think all these application forms were made? It's because NASL wants to create excitement.
Add this to what Incontrols already said, and I think people can maybe understand a little?
I don't usually ever bother arguing on forums, but I made an effort here because I'm a fan of Incontrol.
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Sounds great, some very good names on that list and I hope it'll turn out great !
People organizing this remember ; 50% of the whiners tell you about their whine, 5% of the lovers tell you about their love, the rest are just silent and dont care that much.
This'll be great.
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On March 30 2011 07:40 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 07:38 Insanious wrote:On March 30 2011 07:37 TheHova wrote:On March 30 2011 07:35 Anihc wrote:On March 30 2011 07:32 Phaint wrote:On March 30 2011 07:29 iNcontroL wrote:On March 30 2011 07:28 Phaint wrote:On March 30 2011 07:26 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:20 Defacer wrote:On March 30 2011 07:16 NightEnD wrote:
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So u picked the 50 players and said x is not invited becouse y is not invited becouse NightEnD is not invited becouse he has no visa . How could u know that i dont have visa if u didnt even bother t to ask me ? Pls cut the crap
Nightend: I don't know you or Xeris personally, but let it go. Next season, man; next season. Complaining now isn't going to get you any closer to what you want at this point. after how much i ''cryed' now mark my words i will not be invited in 2nd season or in 3 they will find an excuse like this if not a bigger one . Its run by Xeris and iNControl. You bet your bottom dollar you will never see an invite (but latter seasons aren't run by invites so don't worry champ ) No. It isn't ran by me. I've said this countless times. Also why the hell would we have a grudge against him? He is a fantastic player... obviously he is upset with not being selected for this league.. anybody who cares about this game would be (100% understandable). Why do you feel the need to try and stir a pot that doesn't exist? How'd ya get that invite then? Your achievements don't even compare to 49th least achievement earning person on the list. Achievement/skill isn't the only selection criteria. Having a large fan base gets you in as well. People with larger fan bases didn't get invited. DeMusliM has a whole country supporting him, the same for NightEnd. Heck i don't think he's skilled enough to be in the tournament but if it's a popularity contest. Destiny gets 8k viewers in the late hours sometimes and consistently gets around 2k. No more than iNcontroL gets. DeMusliM didn't get in because of his hand NightEnD didn't get in because of visa problems Destiny is a zerg and as such would have to replace one of the other zergs iNcontrol has a larger fan base than Minigun (saddly) I dunno, i see a lot of people in here supporting Minigun, not so many supporting iNcontroL. So it seems weird to say Minigun has less fans than iNcontroL. They both get plenty of viewers when they stream.
Incontrol made it, Minigun didn't. People who are angry are always more vocal than people who are happy.
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On March 30 2011 07:44 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 07:33 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:29 iNcontroL wrote:On March 30 2011 07:28 Phaint wrote:On March 30 2011 07:26 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:20 Defacer wrote:On March 30 2011 07:16 NightEnD wrote:On March 30 2011 07:06 Xeris wrote:On March 30 2011 06:57 Bean54 wrote:
Xeris, you say you didnt accept NightEnD because he didn't already have a VISA. Did you even let the players know this was a requirement before or during the application process? Based on what it sounds like, you didn't. If not having a passport is a legitimate concern and is cause for disqualification you should have let NightEnD and all players know that BEFOREHAND so they could actually obtain one or fail to. Then you'd have a valid reason for disqualifying them. Sounds like you disqualified him for something that could easily have been remedied if you had let him know ahead of time. I didn't specifically tell the players, however, when I was approached by BRAT_OK's manager (from RoX), about the NASL, he actually provided me with BRAT's B1/2 VISA number that we verified. White-Ra has demonstrated his ability to get into the US before (I met him at MLG DC and Blizzcon, so I'm well aware he could get here). While it is true, I could have been clearer I guess, the ultimate burden of responsibility must be shared by both organizers and players. We are not here to hand-hold, and this is a two-way street. The fact that someone like BRAT's manager made sure to provide me that information (the contract specifically says that you need to *guarantee* your ability to be in the US for the final) in order to alleviate any concern shows that: a) they understood the implications of playing in the league, and b) they cared enough about being a part of it to go the extra mile. NightEnD didn't do this, nor did his manager. I obviously take some responsibility for not explicitly stating it, but neither him or his manager has taken any responsibility in the matter, and instead responds with harsh words to me and the league. This is unfair for us. In our internal discussions, we wanted to avoid people from countries who had VISA problems entering the US because those players are "high risk" for us (I.E. what happens if they qualify but can't come to the finals?), this is also why we only considered ONE player (BRAT_OK) from RoX, and none of their other players... the RoX manager didn't even submit applications for the other ones because he knew they didn't have and couldn't guarantee VISAS. We did research on various countries, and knew that Romania doesn't have a VISA waiver program with the US, and that it would be difficult for a Romanian to get a VISA, which is why we didn't have NightEnD on our list, and which was why he was on our backup list. So again, people should be aware that in life, there are always two parties and both hold responsibility. So u picked the 50 players and said x is not invited becouse y is not invited becouse NightEnD is not invited becouse he has no visa . How could u know that i dont have visa if u didnt even bother t to ask me ? Pls cut the crap Nightend: I don't know you or Xeris personally, but let it go. Next season, man; next season. Complaining now isn't going to get you any closer to what you want at this point. after how much i ''cryed' now mark my words i will not be invited in 2nd season or in 3 they will find an excuse like this if not a bigger one . Its run by Xeris and iNControl. You bet your bottom dollar you will never see an invite (but latter seasons aren't run by invites so don't worry champ ) No. It isn't ran by me. I've said this countless times. Also why the hell would we have a grudge against him? He is a fantastic player... obviously he is upset with not being selected for this league.. anybody who cares about this game would be (100% understandable). Why do you feel the need to try and stir a pot that doesn't exist? You had to invited grubby somehow or he just got lucky i suppose ? becouse i didnt tought i have to prove u i can take a visa :D Not sure what your point is? Grubby travels on a regular basis. He also is one of the most famous players in all of RTS... Again I did not select the players. But I don't understand the "I didn't get picked so now I will go down the list and talk smack about each pick" mentality. There is a reason Minigun is a fucking champion. I truly am sorry you are not selected for this tourney. It sucks. No way to fluff it really. GL in the open / season 2 qualifier. You are a great player and I hope you make it!
Let him calm down theres history here Grubby replaced him in the Blizzard tournament he earnt and was weirdly disqualified from back in WC3. A lot of people thought that very suspicious back then. He is upset so take it in context. Nightend mate prove them wrong next season and keep knocking them dead in qualification tournies.
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Pretty sad incontrol got picked instead of nightend, especially considering hes gonna go 0-9 in his group unless he gets lucky with one of his all ins
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So if NightEnD failed to get in because he didn't pre-emptively prove his ability to get a visa, does that mean everyone else had to do the same. Or is it just because he's from Romania, and BratOK, a player from "one of those countries" has had some problems getting a visa in the past?
Thing is, Romania is in the European Union. There's no reason to expect that he'd have any more problems getting into the US than any other player from Europe.
I'm still quite excited about the NASL, but this and the DeMusliM thing makes me a little bit weary. Wasn't there also an issue where Jinro or Huk (one of the TL guys) said that oGs had NOT been contacted, contrary to what NASL had stated? (Not specifically oGs, but I am sure they stated Korean teams had been or would be contacted, and if oGs isn't the first team you approach I don't know what is).
You've got the potential to make something brilliant here. The cracks are starting to show, but I hope you keep it up and get it done. I'll probably get a Premium pass, or whatever you choose to call it.
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Haha iNControl the face of a league handling criticism with class.
I think I speak for alot of people when I say I'm happy you are on the list; can't wait to see you get manhandled by literally any other person in this league. Why are you posting? If you're busy trying harder than 99% of us shouldn't you be in game?
Does NASL have 50 trophies made because everyones a winner?
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