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Aikin
Austria532 Posts
Also, there are plenty of lesser tournaments, like TSL3 and GSTL, that will allow him to display his true skill once again. WHAT?? TSL3 is a lesser tournement to nothing! Also GSTL is awesome and I really hope they will start some kind of sc2 pro league this or next year. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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mustache
Switzerland309 Posts
On March 16 2011 21:16 dookudooku wrote: IMMVP didn't play terrible today. What really hurt him was his predictable builds. He used almost the exact same early game build in every single game. Protoss players have learned to take advantage of supposedly "safe" Terran quick expansion builds through a combination of early game pressure into expansion + tech, resulting in Terrans not being able to stop Colossi attacks. At this moment, there is no build in existence, in any match-up, that allows you to apply early pressure, defend against early pressure, get tech relatively early, and get an expansion relatively early, all at the same time. so you say toss beats terran with a build which puts on early pressure, and gets a relativley early expo with tech, but then go on to say that such a build doesnt exist in any matchup? | ||
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Angry.Zerg
Mexico305 Posts
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On March 16 2011 23:08 007Kain wrote: WHAT?? TSL3 is a lesser tournement to nothing! Also GSTL is awesome and I really hope they will start some kind of sc2 pro league this or next year. Hehe, just trolling with you, baby  . Of course I realize that TSL3 is going to be a crazy-awesome tournament.On March 16 2011 23:13 mustache wrote: so you say toss beats terran with a build which puts on early pressure, and gets a relativley early expo with tech, but then go on to say that such a build doesnt exist in any matchup? I think what he was saying is that the Terran equivalent of the Protoss build doesn't yet exist. | ||
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Fenrisulf
United States325 Posts
On March 16 2011 21:29 Endorsed wrote: PvT: 14-4 (77.8%) GSTL PvT: 18-8 (69.2%) GSL Damn, terran is struggling really bad. Is it because of the maps? Really I don't think there have been alot of games where amulet got into play. How can the maps have such a great impact on the games. What makes a larger map so bad for terran against protoss? I still do extremely fine against protoss on ladder. MVP made some awfull decisions in his games.  He will destroy Code A so hard. I think this up and down system is pretty stupid, it leaves alot of things to luck. Someone like Leenock and MVP are so amazing they deserve to be in Code A. But because of a bad day/luck they don't The winner stays bo1 style of GSTL makes it completely useless for balance arguments. Brief history of PvT in GSL: GSL 1: 32.1% GSL 2: 39.0% GSL 3: 62.5% (MC going 15-2 on his first run for champion, playing only PvT) GSL Jan: Code S: 34.8% Code A: 21.1% Terrans: TvP matchup is most balanced matchup . Seeing no complaints from the terran players in GSL Jan when MC got knocked out by Jinro in code S (thus eliminating any chance of a protoss winning it) and every protoss in Code A got stomped out by a terran. Or in GSL 1 and 2 when not a single protoss made it to Ro4. But now, 1 GSL later, protoss doing a bit better for a change. GSL March: Code S: 72% Code A: 42.9% (Most top code S terrans from previous GSLs knocked out by T/Z ) So, new GSL, new maps, top Terrans in Code S upset in the highly volatile group stages Terran consensus: PROTOSS OP, UNWINNABLE MATCHUP. Lets see if protoss can dominate 3 more GSLs okay? Then you are allowed to call Protoss OP. But on the bright side, at least blizzards got your back, right terrans? Come the fuck on guys, MVP played terribly today, making terrible mistakes everywhere. Hes on tilt and showing it. If MVP is supposed to be the sole tell of the balance of the game then Z needs a serious nerf, after all Zerg 100% win rate against MVP this GSL right? -_- | ||
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kvn4444
1510 Posts
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Phosgene
United States187 Posts
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Almisael
Austria235 Posts
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Vega62a
946 Posts
It's weird. With players like MKP, NaDa, and Boxer, I was pretty comfortable saying that they were only really REALLY good (like code S good) at TvT, which we saw an ungodly amount of in the January season, and which was were the majority of their wins in that tourney.(In particular, the only non-terran MKP won against was legalmind.) But MVP took out Fruitdealer and Zenio in the RO32, as well as Tester, Nestea, and Choya later on, so I really don't know what happened here. He was just playing badly, he seemed to be teching blindly and not being proactive in his scouting. I wonder if the really top Korean terrans (MKP, MVP, Nada, Boxer) are just having a lot of trouble keeping up with the evolution of other race's strats. In particular, MVP seemed to be taken off guard and forced to pull workers by that same three-gate rush in every single game. I know it's strong, but if you scout it coming (and he didn't even seem to try) you should be able to hold it with 3-rax stimmed marauders, which he had exactly zero times when that rush came. (It almost seemed like every game, he just went in with the assumption, "Well, I'm Terran, and I have a bunker, so there's no way a 3 gate should be able to force me to pull workers.) | ||
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hidiliho
Canada685 Posts
On March 16 2011 23:30 Phosgene wrote: Wow... MVP in code A unbelievable. From King to peasant in 1 month. I don't know what to say. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On March 16 2011 23:19 azka wrote: Season 6 Code S will be Pfest, and Code A will be Tfest... only Zergs can bring balance to the Universe. If Losira goes to code S, there's only 1 Zerg (leenock) in code A, so Zerg is still UP. I guess MC is currently the best player in the world in term of achievement and consistence too. He's just too good to lose to anyone right now. | ||
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
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Angry.Zerg
Mexico305 Posts
On March 16 2011 23:57 canikizu wrote: If Losira goes to code S, there's only 1 Zerg (leenock) in code A, so Zerg is still UP. History showed us you only need 1 Zerg to balance the universe (ie: GSL1, GSL2 and maybe GSL5?) | ||
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Overpowered
Czech Republic764 Posts
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Endorsed
Netherlands1221 Posts
On March 16 2011 23:21 Fenrisulf wrote: The winner stays bo1 style of GSTL makes it completely useless for balance arguments. Brief history of PvT in GSL: GSL 1: 32.1% GSL 2: 39.0% GSL 3: 62.5% (MC going 15-2 on his first run for champion, playing only PvT) GSL Jan: Code S: 34.8% Code A: 21.1% Terrans: TvP matchup is most balanced matchup . Seeing no complaints from the terran players in GSL Jan when MC got knocked out by Jinro in code S (thus eliminating any chance of a protoss winning it) and every protoss in Code A got stomped out by a terran. Or in GSL 1 and 2 when not a single protoss made it to Ro4. But now, 1 GSL later, protoss doing a bit better for a change. GSL March: Code S: 72% Code A: 42.9% (Most top code S terrans from previous GSLs knocked out by T/Z ) So, new GSL, new maps, top Terrans in Code S upset in the highly volatile group stages Terran consensus: PROTOSS OP, UNWINNABLE MATCHUP. Lets see if protoss can dominate 3 more GSLs okay? Then you are allowed to call Protoss OP. But on the bright side, at least blizzards got your back, right terrans? Come the fuck on guys, MVP played terribly today, making terrible mistakes everywhere. Hes on tilt and showing it. If MVP is supposed to be the sole tell of the balance of the game then Z needs a serious nerf, after all Zerg 100% win rate against MVP this GSL right? -_- Exactly, there was nothing wrong with the balance. Seeing how they didn't change a thing. that mattered for the Pvt matchup. Protoss just got REALLY good at stopping the early/mid game stim timing pushes of terran and suddenly they get into late game where Protoss has the advantage. The consensus was the Terran had the early game advantage, and Protoss had the late game advantage. Right now, because protoss have gotten so good at their sentry control, that there is no more advantage in the early game for terran. I remember the first 3 GSL's, were terran were landing factory's in the protoss main, making hellions. Seeing a toss run his army all the way back, and then a bio force running into the main of toss haha. Anyway, MVP played trash and he deserved to lose. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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Reasonable
Ukraine1432 Posts
Guess who trains Rain? Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide!!! | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
*Wow I'm surprised @ MVP on his way out..... I had a feeling about it though. MVP V Boxer finals in Code A! ^^  * | ||
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