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On April 24 2011 02:02 sinii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 01:56 Lennon wrote:On April 24 2011 01:51 sinii wrote:On April 24 2011 01:33 Lennon wrote:On April 24 2011 01:29 sinii wrote:On April 24 2011 01:28 Lennon wrote:On April 24 2011 01:25 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 24 2011 01:23 Lennon wrote:Lose with a standard strategy: He sucks. What the fuck is he doing? Win with a risky all-in strategy: He's a genious! he lost because he played bad in the first two games. micro macro build order tactics strategy. style has nothing to do with it. it looked like he wanted to play a style like this http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/vod/65005 but is really really bad at it, cutting back on the effectiveness of attacking head on for investments that end up not helping at all with anything I was poking fun at the comments in this thread as opposed to the actual games. I still agree though. You have been whining about Zerg for the past few comments, don't change your tune when a pro shuts you down. Change my tune? I wasn't even whining. Im not going to go back and quote your posts, but essentially the thread something like: thread: "omg morrow use something other then Roaches" Lennon: "there is no alternative to Roaches" thread: "Your kidding ain't you? he didn't even try to use infestors/broods" Lennon: "Theres no viable alternative, it's either this or mutas and lose" Tyler: "Morrow just played bad" Lennon: "Oh yeh i was just poking fun at all these posters lol" I wasn't whining. Roaches are the standard opening right now. There's no other safe alternative. Tyler misunderstood my post but he said MorroW played bad I agree he played bad. I never changed my opinion. Yes you were, your just trying to backtrack. The context wasn't openings at all. This was 20minutes into a game, Morrow on 5 bases and chucking 3x 200/200 armies of corrupter/roach at his protoss opponent. Saying there is no alternative was absurd, it got shut down then you started on your backtrack.
Edit: I just realised what you're getting at. I was referring to early/mid game. I didn't mean there's no alternative to massing roaches late gate. Of course there are alternatives in the late game. I meant the mass Roach opening is the only safe opening from 2 base. Anything else becomes risky.
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On April 24 2011 02:13 StUfF wrote:
Kas poking out with MMM army.
Gruby's robo bay just finishing
Kas drops Gruby's main with his army. Kills off a gateway/pylon before picking up and leaving.
Kas finishes 3rd CC at this time.
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Kas moves out with small force of MMM, wisely drops the army in the back instead of trying to get up the ramp against sentries.
Both players going for their third, Grubby has colossus but seems to be preparing for a switch to templar.
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Thanks. Can't believe I didn't see that.
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Kas has a considerable supply lead, but Grubby just got a dark shrine.
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On April 24 2011 02:03 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 01:46 OgsStump wrote:On April 24 2011 01:34 .Enigma. wrote:
It hurts to know that MorroW could've won the first two games by just changing up his composition a little, it hurts to see a Zerg staying on roach/hydra tech for too long. :< Do you mean change composition and stay on the same tech or tech up to infestors or hive. If you are talking about changing tech i both agree and disagree with you. I'm a protoss player and I agree with you in game 1 he had an opportunity to change his tech because of his big lead but I'm not sure he had the same window in game 2. It seems to me like a lot of people don't realize how much you have to commit to change your composition into a higher tech. I mean you hear state of the game people say that people need to add infestors to the composition to be successful but fail to really address the impact that changing your tech has on your army size/economy (besides idra of course lol). It's not like you can have the exact same army and have infestors. Changing tech for zerg does involve some sacrifice. You're likely giving up the instant remax possiblity if you change to infestors or hive tech. Meaning if you can't take down the protoss ball in the first big engagement, you likely won't have enough units in the next engagement. I think in order to change tech without risking huge vulnerabilities to timing attacks you need to have a significant lead on your opponent like he had during game 1. Idk correct me if I'm wrong. Morrow couldn't have held off that initially 2 collosus timing attack if he was simultaneously trying to tech up to hive or infestors. Watch the Nestea game today at GSL, that could be the solution that the zergs have been looking for. Personally, I can't understand why zerglings and mutas aren't being utilized more effectively. Mutalisk, especially, is one of the best units for zergs with its overall jack-of-all trade capability. MC had an army comprised of sentries, stalkers, zealots, immortals, and colossus. He also used a warp prism in game one. If you think that a zerg can counter this army with simply roaches + hydra + corruptors, then I don't know what to tell you really...
What would be helpful was if you showed how the metagame is done from the zerg perspective. What I find fascinating about this ongoing discussion is that the biggest experts on how zerg can solve their issues seem to be playing the two other races.
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kas is up 40supply with no battles or anything. crazy macro
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Uhhhhh, kas is pretty good.
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On April 24 2011 02:14 StUfF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 02:13 StUfF wrote:
Kas poking out with MMM army.
Gruby's robo bay just finishing Kas drops Gruby's main with his army. Kills off a gateway/pylon before picking up and leaving. Kas finishes 3rd CC at this time.
Gruby's also just finishing his 3rd.
Kas drops main base with one medivac - kills a new probes gets away losing only half is contents.
DT's in Kas's 3rd.
Kas attacks gruby's 3rd killing it.
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Kas has such a lead that he can just move the protoss army out of position and then kill the third, using the ramp to hold off the smaller army.
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kas so much ahead, wow O_O
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Kas with a 60 supply lead and an extra base, not looking good for Grubby.
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On April 24 2011 02:16 pureability wrote:
kas is up 40supply with no battles or anything. crazy macro
Yeah man he did this against Nada as well, every game O.o.
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On April 24 2011 02:16 pureability wrote:
kas is up 40supply with no battles or anything. crazy macro
It's insane! I don't even know how he's doing it, but he's just ahead without doing anything, not only ahead but so far ahead that he looks unassailable.
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Kas pushes out with a big bio/viking force, manages to steamroll Grubby's entire army. Grubby calls gg.
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Grubby is no match for Kas.
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Kas just outmacroed and stomped.
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Awesome game.. I'd just like to say the casters are actually really awesome, I'm really enjoying it!
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