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Steamroller
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland756 Posts
April 23 2011 17:03 GMT
#2941
Stream started to lag for anyone else?
OgsStump
Profile Joined March 2011
128 Posts
April 23 2011 17:04 GMT
#2942
On April 24 2011 01:52 .Enigma. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 01:46 OgsStump wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:34 .Enigma. wrote:
It hurts to know that MorroW could've won the first two games by just changing up his composition a little, it hurts to see a Zerg staying on roach/hydra tech for too long. :<


Do you mean change composition and stay on the same tech or tech up to infestors or hive. If you are talking about changing tech i both agree and disagree with you. I'm a protoss player and I agree with you in game 1 he had an opportunity to change his tech because of his big lead but I'm not sure he had the same window in game 2. It seems to me like a lot of people don't realize how much you have to commit to change your composition into a higher tech. I mean you hear state of the game people say that people need to add infestors to the composition to be successful but fail to really address the impact that changing your tech has on your army size/economy (besides idra of course lol). It's not like you can have the exact same army and have infestors. Changing tech for zerg does involve some sacrifice. You're likely giving up the instant remax possiblity if you change to infestors or hive tech. Meaning if you can't take down the protoss ball in the first big engagement, you likely won't have enough units in the next engagement. I think in order to change tech without risking huge vulnerabilities to timing attacks you need to have a significant lead on your opponent like he had during game 1. Idk correct me if I'm wrong. Morrow couldn't have held off that initially 2 collosus timing attack if he was simultaneously trying to tech up to hive or infestors.


Well yeah, I agree that it does take some time and money to change your tech but I felt like MorroW was ahead in supply enough in both games to atleast get his infestors going and atleast hive starting before the big engagement.

It's more about the gas cost and it looked like MorroW could've afforded to pump out quite a few infestors and still be very safe. And I mean not to sprint for the higher tech but to gradually get it which was a mistake that MorroW did. He basically stayed on roach / hydra / corruptor the entire game, even in the late game which is when your infestors, greater spire or ultra den should be able to be put into good use.

I didn't pay that much attention to the games, but's how I feel about it.


True he could have tried to tech up more slowly. I personally think there's still a lot of compositions and transitions to explore as well as drop play and nydus worms. I would assume players have experimented with slowly teching up by now and still feel roach hydra is stronger. Either that or roach hydra works against players that can't throw down force fields, position their army, and micro like MC so they just haven't felt the need to try different strats. Interesting I don't think we have an answer for this now. Hopefully in the coming months we'll see something different from zergs because with the current strategies are causing cries of imbalance on every single tournament thread.

Anyways congrats to MC just from watching his last two matchups it's hard to see any mistakes in his gameplay and i feel he deserves to win the tourney.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 23 2011 17:04 GMT
#2943
On April 24 2011 02:03 Steamroller wrote:
Stream started to lag for anyone else?

yes.
Ciddass
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany149 Posts
April 23 2011 17:04 GMT
#2944
forcefields are absolutely foolproof. close your eyes and spam them. "great forcefields"
people saying you need skill to use them make the the illustrious TL community look retarded.

nevertheless morrow was stuck in midgame for way too long and didn't use his small midgame window to trade armies/deny MCs 3rd.

really looking forward to see ZvP evolve with heavy infestor play *keeping fingers crossed*
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
April 23 2011 17:05 GMT
#2945
Grubby vs Kas starting soon? i need to go buy groceries soon :F
Joss2k
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway195 Posts
April 23 2011 17:05 GMT
#2946
On April 24 2011 02:04 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 02:03 Steamroller wrote:
Stream started to lag for anyone else?

yes.


no
x
Sterlymobile
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
April 23 2011 17:05 GMT
#2947
When they mean say kas, do they mean empireKhas?
"You sons of a silly person"
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
April 23 2011 17:05 GMT
#2948
On April 24 2011 02:05 Sterlymobile wrote:
When they mean say kas, do they mean empireKhas?


EmpireKas , yes
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
April 23 2011 17:06 GMT
#2949
On April 24 2011 01:37 Roggay wrote:
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On April 24 2011 01:36 Orome wrote:
Holy shit MC. Of course you can point out MC's initial sentry zealot attack not being safe at all, but at the end of the day MC executes whatever he decides to do 2 levels above every other P atm.


Yea and gets knocked down to the up&downs for being too risky.



What if thats his style for play. Idra likes to play safe and macro. Others like lots of drops. Others like to cheese. What if playing risky is MC style of play. Why tell someone that their style is not good because its risky. That is saying that you know what style people should play if they want to win tournaments.

MC has won tourneys with his style. So he is going to continue to play it. Don't say his play is bad when it works for him.
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 17:07:12
April 23 2011 17:06 GMT
#2950
Kas VS Grubby live now! g1 on shakuras plateau.
davidk
Profile Joined January 2011
49 Posts
April 23 2011 17:06 GMT
#2951
In how lon does grubby vs kas start?
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2107 Posts
April 23 2011 17:07 GMT
#2952
Woop woop Kas vs Grubby now, this is gonna get exciting !!
~~Yo man ! MBCGame HERO Fighting !! Holy check !
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
April 23 2011 17:07 GMT
#2953
I dont think Mc is a good player. I've seen him supply blocked, not transferring probes in time and he is generally passive with his army. I don't care that he gets results. Good players don't get supply blocked.
FuTon
Profile Joined April 2011
United States308 Posts
April 23 2011 17:07 GMT
#2954
On April 24 2011 02:04 Ciddass wrote:
forcefields are absolutely foolproof. close your eyes and spam them. "great forcefields"
people saying you need skill to use them make the the illustrious TL community look retarded.

nevertheless morrow was stuck in midgame for way too long and didn't use his small midgame window to trade armies/deny MCs 3rd.

really looking forward to see ZvP evolve with heavy infestor play *keeping fingers crossed*


You do need skill to use forcefields.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 23 2011 17:07 GMT
#2955
http://www.own3d.tv/live/341/MyStarCraft.de_-_Khaldor__LQ_

Low quality stream
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
PHC
Profile Joined March 2011
United States472 Posts
April 23 2011 17:07 GMT
#2956
On April 24 2011 01:48 Lennon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 01:47 PHC wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:37 .Enigma. wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:37 Cripp wrote:
It's so funny that no one gives MC credit for taking the series. He only won because he is playing Toss right? It seems like if Toss wins it's always becuase of the race, never becuase the played playd actually good. Think about it.


Are you even reading the thread? People are complimenting MC left and right and there's like not much balance talk at all.



Have you? Every time someone makes a compliment about MC's play today, someone immediately shuts that player down.

"Impressive forcefields from MC"
Response: "75% overlap? How is that impressive?"

"MC 2 steps above other players"
Response: "he got slapped back down to up/down"

There's like not much balance talk at all? Are you serious?



People have different opinions. If everyone agreed with everything, forums would be boring places.


This is a LR tourney thread. I'm at work and I would like to know what's going on in Copenhagen without reading about your opinion on forcefields or on how bad a player is. Is it really that hard to respect the players that are competing for money without complaining?

I'm not directing this at you personally, but let's change the negative attitude that's been going on here for the past 50 pages. Reallllly hard to enjoy matches when the negativity in this thread sucks out any hype you had for the matchups
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
April 23 2011 17:07 GMT
#2957
KAS HWAITING. Show me how to win TvP please.
Arimaki
Profile Joined August 2010
22 Posts
April 23 2011 17:07 GMT
#2958
Can someone organise a Spanishiwa vs MC showmatch? So all the spanishiwa lovers/doubters can give it a rest.
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
April 23 2011 17:07 GMT
#2959
Morrow's build for game 1-2 were very strange, especially even after scouting that MC was playing a defensive/macro 3 base game.

Basically his build looked like
-- Get 3 Base
-- Play greedy.
-- Mass Roach
-- Max out
-- Build stockpile
-- Attack
-- Remax on Roach
-- Win or lose because your massively behind on tech.

Might have worked on a lesser protoss but MC's macro was spot on. It also didn't help that MC played a defensive 3 base/reactive style. Good simcity stopped alot of Roach harass. MC's upgrades were always equal or very slightly behind Morrow's even with morrow massive eco advantage. Morrow didn't even try to deny the third or slow letting MC's eco catch up while morrow stayed passive macroing/building a stockpile. MC's double robo let him crank out immortals and Morrow let him build up 5-6 immortals each engagement. Each time Morrow tried to Hydra, well controlled colossus killed them all with gateway force tanking.

Feels like Morrow never had a chance the way he decided to play.



gnutz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany666 Posts
April 23 2011 17:08 GMT
#2960
On April 24 2011 02:04 Ciddass wrote:
forcefields are absolutely foolproof. close your eyes and spam them. "great forcefields"
people saying you need skill to use them make the the illustrious TL community look retarded.

lol (thats laughing about you)

Kas doesn't think about Imbalances, so he will win.
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