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On April 24 2011 01:50 nam nam wrote:


People have been complaining over how boring forcefields are since the beta when protoss was seen as a weaker race.

On April 24 2011 01:52 udgnim wrote:


Force field casting has a range of 9

Roaches have a range of 4

Zerg players can't micro against force field. they can either choose to never engage the Protoss or engage Protoss and then have lines of forcefields splitting up their ground army.

On April 24 2011 01:57 hitman133 wrote:

lol, roaches still have range of 4 ? You fail sir, keep whining w/o thinking.

On April 24 2011 01:58 covetousrat wrote:
Does own3d.tv has low quality stream? It's unwatchable for me with HD cause my internet is bad.

On April 24 2011 01:48 Focuspants wrote:


This point continues to bother me.... Maybe, just maybe, roach hydra isnt the answer to 5 gates with collosi. Spanishiwa has dirty sick ZvP, hes mixing up his style a lot, and recently, he has been going for early ovrlord speed and drops, and dropping all of his units (zerglings banelings roaches and hydras) all over the toss army, nulifying forcefields, also it spreads your units all over the place, making the collosi less useful. He was rolling people on ladder, watched him win like 7 ZvP's in a row against Antimage, TT1, etc...

Maybe you should a) not use an army composition that gets rolled by forcefields or b) if you want to use units that suck against forcefields, lower the sentry count. He could have killed all of those sentries on that seemingly ill fated early push by MC.

MC is amazing, stop saying op Toss. Zergs need to adapt. You shouldnt be allowed to use 1 strategy and win every game, and not being able to use a strategy because it gets countered by a diff build isnt reason to start op qqing.

On April 24 2011 01:34 RogerChillingworth wrote:


You should post more.

Anyway, yeah, forcefields cost a lot of energy.

On April 24 2011 02:00 Mailing wrote:
Was this tourney invite or qualifiers?

Why were koreans there but no NA players?

On April 24 2011 01:56 Lennon wrote:


I wasn't whining. Roaches are the standard opening right now. There's no other safe alternative.
Tyler misunderstood my post but he said MorroW played bad I agree he played bad.

I never changed my opinion.

On April 24 2011 01:57 HuHEN wrote:


Im not going to pretend that I remember this very clearly, but I know there were at least a couple phases of the beta where toss were considered OP at least in certain MUs.

On April 24 2011 01:56 Lennon wrote:


I wasn't whining. Roaches are the standard opening right now. There's no other safe alternative.
Tyler misunderstood my post but he said MorroW played bad I agree he played bad.

I never changed my opinion.

On April 24 2011 01:57 hitman133 wrote:

lol, roaches still have range of 4 ? You fail sir, keep whining w/o thinking.

On April 24 2011 01:46 OgsStump wrote:


Do you mean change composition and stay on the same tech or tech up to infestors or hive. If you are talking about changing tech i both agree and disagree with you. I'm a protoss player and I agree with you in game 1 he had an opportunity to change his tech because of his big lead but I'm not sure he had the same window in game 2. It seems to me like a lot of people don't realize how much you have to commit to change your composition into a higher tech. I mean you hear state of the game people say that people need to add infestors to the composition to be successful but fail to really address the impact that changing your tech has on your army size/economy (besides idra of course lol). It's not like you can have the exact same army and have infestors. Changing tech for zerg does involve some sacrifice. You're likely giving up the instant remax possiblity if you change to infestors or hive tech. Meaning if you can't take down the protoss ball in the first big engagement, you likely won't have enough units in the next engagement. I think in order to change tech without risking huge vulnerabilities to timing attacks you need to have a significant lead on your opponent like he had during game 1. Idk correct me if I'm wrong. Morrow couldn't have held off that initially 2 collosus timing attack if he was simultaneously trying to tech up to hive or infestors.

On April 24 2011 02:02 nam nam wrote:


It was back and forth, but there was a phase that I was refering to right after a patch were protoss got nerfed (again) when people were complaining blizzard was nerfing protoss to oblivion and that unless you got of perfect forcefields and so on you just died (what people said, not necessarily the truth). My point was just that there is much more to the matter than protoss are winning a lot now that makes people complain about forcefield.